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School Tells Cop Scott Urkov Not To Wear Gun, Uniform When Picking Up Daughter
Opposing Views ^ | 10/03/2013 | By Jonathan Vankin

Posted on 10/03/2013 1:03:08 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd

While school districts around the country, in wake of the numerous school shootings that have plagued the United States in recent years, have debated whether to have armed guards on school grounds, one school in Arizona recently told a police officer to leave his gun at home — and for that matter, his uniform as well — when he picks up his daughter.

Scott Urkov got a call from the principal of Entz Elementary School in Mesa, Arizona, after he showed up at the school in his full police uniform including his sidearm.

The cop immediately took to Facebook to express his disbelief.

"Nothing like your kids school calling and asking if I could not come to pick up my daughter in uniform cause parents were concerned when their kids came home telling them there was a man at school with a gun. Are you freaking kidding me?" he posted.

The sight of an armed man — even a fully uniformed police officer — with a handgun on the school grounds was apparently too much for some parents.

"There were some parents who were concerned about that fact that there was a fully armed officer on campus and they spoke to the principal about it," said school spokesperson Helen Hollands.

But not all parents were alarmed. Some told a local Fox TV station that an armed officer on campus was a good thing.

"Even if my kids saw that I think they'd feel more protected to see a man in uniform at their school," sais one parent, Blaine Spencer.

The school has apologized, saying that they didn’t realize that Urkov (pictured) would take the phone call as an affront and now wants to turn the misunderstanding into a “teachable moment.” Urkov has bee invited to speak at the school in his full uniform to explain to kids what police officers do.

As for Urkov himself, he told the Fox reporter that his department advised him “just to let it be,” without further comment.

SOURCES: My Fox Phoenix, Police One

 


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: banglist; democrats; education; guncontrol; hoplophobia; liberalism; liberals; progressives; publicschools; secondamendment
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Does this surprize anyone?

Didn't think so.

1 posted on 10/03/2013 1:03:08 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd
Urkov has bee invited to speak at the school in his full uniform to explain to kids what police officers do.

Maybe we could find someone else to do it. But where does one find teachers nowadays?

2 posted on 10/03/2013 1:06:00 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy; Responsibility2nd
Urkov has bee invited to speak at the school in his full uniform to explain to kids what police officers do.

As long as he doesn't get into a gun safety demonstration with a Glock, all should be well.

/mild sarc

3 posted on 10/03/2013 1:08:18 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: Responsibility2nd

Its stupid but fair is fair. If I can’t drive within 1000 feet of a school while carrying a firearm then cops shouldn’t be allowed either.


4 posted on 10/03/2013 1:09:27 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
While school districts around the country, in wake of the numerous school shootings that have plagued the United States in recent years

Plague standards are going the way of named storms.
5 posted on 10/03/2013 1:09:51 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I taught for 15 years and can assure you that some of the most ignorant people can be found at public schools and universities. They can be brilliant in their field but functionally illiterate on most anything else. This sounds like something that could have happened in the district I taught at!!


6 posted on 10/03/2013 1:10:12 PM PDT by ontap (***)
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To: 1rudeboy
Urkov has been invited to speak at the school in his full uniform to explain to kids what police officers do.

He should tell them that police officers pick up their kids at school in full uniform.

7 posted on 10/03/2013 1:10:20 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Responsibility2nd

“The school has apologized, saying that they didn’t realize that Urkov (pictured) would take the phone call as an affront and now wants to turn the misunderstanding into a “teachable moment.””

Urgggh.... if any libs ever spewed this mealy mouthed crap about “teachable moments” to my face, I’d be sorely pressed not to give them a teachable moment involving feet and rear ends.


8 posted on 10/03/2013 1:10:40 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Responsibility2nd

He might be required to wear his gun.

We had an idiot receptionist several years ago that told a State Trooper that he had to leave his gun with her at the front desk. LOL!


9 posted on 10/03/2013 1:11:01 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I truly doubt the story that some parents called with a complaint. It sounds more like an excuse to justify the school forcing their no-gun rule upon a policeman father.


10 posted on 10/03/2013 1:12:01 PM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: Responsibility2nd

One of those stories where neither party is right.
On one side you have school officials indoctrinating kids in hoplophobia.
On the other side you have jack booted government thug who thinks that the rules that apply to me OBVIOUSLY don’t apply to him.


11 posted on 10/03/2013 1:12:34 PM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: Responsibility2nd
Officer Urkov,

It is perfectly legal for armed police officers to be on school grounds. You should not have to endure the inconvenience of going to our home and changing your clothes before picking your daughter up from school. Other parents are allowed to pick up their children on their way home fro work without having to make multiple trips.

I recommend you tell the principal to go f##k himself.

Of course, I suppose you could say it more politely... ...if you must.

Sincerely,

WayneS

12 posted on 10/03/2013 1:12:47 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...)
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To: cripplecreek

Excellent point.


13 posted on 10/03/2013 1:13:52 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Dear School,

You have no such authority.

My Gun is not evil or offensive.
It is the tool I use to do my job, which is in part, to protect the faculty and students in this school.

Get over yourself.


14 posted on 10/03/2013 1:13:54 PM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Real, mature adults would tell the other adults pissing themselves to grow the eff up, the real world is not marshmallows and lollipops, we have armed police and we have ccw people, who will not bother them if they don’t bother those people, and to get the eff over it.


15 posted on 10/03/2013 1:14:09 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Mesa ARIZONA? MESA, ARIZONA??
Arizona, probably the most armed state in the lower 48? Damned near everyone I know is armed and the school is worried about a cop?
My God, some of us still send kids to these schools!
I have blamed most of the ills of this country on; Affirmative Action, Political Correctness and Mental Health “Reform” But I need to add in The Loss of Common Sense.
16 posted on 10/03/2013 1:14:41 PM PDT by Tupelo (There are no Republicans or Democrats in Washington. Just Millionaires protecting their turf.)
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To: RedMDer

Perhaps he should have complied with her request.

Chances are she would have mis-handled the weapon and shot herself.

Bonus.


17 posted on 10/03/2013 1:15:05 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Yeah so if they have some emergency, I guess they’ll call out the shrinks, since they obviously don’t want cops present.


18 posted on 10/03/2013 1:15:21 PM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: thorvaldr

How do you know he is a jack-booted thug?


19 posted on 10/03/2013 1:16:06 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Yep.


20 posted on 10/03/2013 1:16:26 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: Responsibility2nd

At least they backed off. How many of these incidents go unpublished and fester among the population?


21 posted on 10/03/2013 1:18:35 PM PDT by ez (Muslims do not play well with others.)
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To: driftdiver

IIRC there are jurisdictions where a law enforcement officer is requied by law and or regulation to carry a firearm at all times in public places and aboard public transportation, under the theory that police officers are never entirely free of their duty in their jurisdiction.


22 posted on 10/03/2013 1:23:15 PM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Sounds like the school really wants to make up for this faux paux, but (with a principal like this one) I can’t blame the police department for saying, no more on this, let’s move on.


23 posted on 10/03/2013 1:23:26 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: Responsibility2nd

As they are conditioning these young kids to hate guns, they are conditioning them to concentrate on sex. I’m beginning to think that the NEA has a very high ratio of perverts that want unarmed victims....


24 posted on 10/03/2013 1:24:33 PM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

The principal of Entz Elementary School should be fired. No discussion, just fire him/her/it.

There needs to be a public policy of zero tolerance for incompetence and complete lack of common sense in our educational system.

Fire the damn principal or defund the school.... apologies be damned.


25 posted on 10/03/2013 1:25:18 PM PDT by Gator113 (The mighty Bear ate the cowardly rat. Obama must resign.)
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To: thorvaldr; Responsibility2nd

As a CA CCW holder I can carry at a school. Go figure.


26 posted on 10/03/2013 1:25:21 PM PDT by onceone (0311, K Co., 3/5 1st Mar Div, RVN '68)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I don’t believe they have the right to ask this of the officer. I’d show up in it for spite.


27 posted on 10/03/2013 1:25:36 PM PDT by jch10 (The greatest threat to America is the Democrats.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Last month on a trip out west I had a Brit in-law almost freak out when he saw a Park Ranger with a sidearm. He was seriously concerned when he saw one with a gun at Yellowstone. I had to explain to him about (1) dangerous four-legged critters and (2) dangerous two-legged critters.


28 posted on 10/03/2013 1:25:44 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: ontap

Thank heaven “brilliant in their field” is a very loosely interpreted, highly, subjective opinion. America’s ranking in math and science is pretty damning evidence. Fortunately, they don’t require tests on any government form other than communism to keep teaching credentials.


29 posted on 10/03/2013 1:27:15 PM PDT by Steamburg (Other people's money is the only language a politician respects)
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To: WhiskeyX

Yes I know.

Honestly I don’t care. If they are not on duty they shouldn’t be allowed to do anything every other law abiding person can’t do.

period

the point isn’t increasing controls on cops, but decreasing controls on everyone else.


30 posted on 10/03/2013 1:27:35 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

So if an incident happens at the school and the police are called, should they go home and change clothes first before they respond? (Without their gun obviously!)


31 posted on 10/03/2013 1:30:28 PM PDT by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: Responsibility2nd
he showed up at the school in his full police uniform including his sidearm.

I really don't see what the problem would be unless they had a dog as a school mascot.

32 posted on 10/03/2013 1:31:33 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Let your 'Yes' mean 'Yes,' and your 'No' mean 'No.' Matthew 5:37)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I’m sure it was liberal parents that were shocked by this site.

Idiots


33 posted on 10/03/2013 1:32:11 PM PDT by Farnsworth ("The people have always some champion whom they set over them and nurse into greatness...This and no)
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To: driftdiver; WhiskeyX

“If they are not on duty they shouldn’t be allowed to do anything every other law abiding person can’t do.”

Agree.

Thing is, in their jurisdiction they are never off-duty. If a crime happens in their view they have an obligation to act. As a civilian you have no such obligation.


34 posted on 10/03/2013 1:32:26 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: thorvaldr
"On the other side you have jack booted government thug who thinks that the rules that apply to me OBVIOUSLY don’t apply to him."

Wow...you inferred all that from a 250-300 word article? Man, you must be psychic. /sarc

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

35 posted on 10/03/2013 1:35:50 PM PDT by wku man (It's almost deer season, got your DEERGOGGLES on yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jexrnFq2fXY)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Why is it when some parent, some ninny, who can't hold their fudge at the sight of a picture of a gun always gets school administrators to bend over backwards to accommodate their paranoia?

Why have no school administrators the guts to say, "Your concern has been noted. Now get 51% of the parents of children in this school to agree with you and THEN we'll take action to assuage your irrational fears."

36 posted on 10/03/2013 1:36:28 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (So Obama "inherited" a mess? Firemen "inherit" messes too. Ever see one put gasoline on it?)
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To: Responsibility2nd

The sight of an armed man — even a fully uniformed police officer — with a handgun on the school grounds was apparently too much for some parents.

"There were some parents who were concerned about that fact that there was a fully armed officer on campus and they spoke to the principal about it," said school spokesperson Helen Hollands.


An irrational fear of firearms is a form of mental illness known as hoplophobia. It is treatable and those afflicted should seek the assistance of a mental health professional.

Raging Against Self Defense: A psychiatrist Examines The Anti-Gun Mentality

HOPLOPHOBIA - A modern scourge



37 posted on 10/03/2013 1:38:21 PM PDT by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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My wife works in a school office. One morning she called and asked if I could drop off an envelope she had left on the kitchen table. Sure. She told the principal that she was going out to meet me at the curb. He asked why, I could come in. She told him that if I walked through the metal detector it might explode from overload. Said he laughed, shook his head and said he didn’t want to know.


38 posted on 10/03/2013 1:39:09 PM PDT by cork (Remember Bengazi!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
How did generations manage to grow up sane and healthy after laying their eyes on a firearm numerous times in their lives, maybe even-gasp-shooting one?
39 posted on 10/03/2013 1:40:10 PM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Gator113

Exactly.

The damage has already been done.

Gun- bad.

Policeman-bad.

Oh, by the way- oopsie!!!!

What do you think the children will remember? ‘The gun is bad’ or ‘We were wrong’?


40 posted on 10/03/2013 1:42:22 PM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Responsibility2nd

I’d tell ‘em to FOAD


41 posted on 10/03/2013 1:44:27 PM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Screw the principal. Keep doing it.


42 posted on 10/03/2013 1:44:29 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: thorvaldr
On the other side you have jack booted government thug ...
Drink the cop hater kool-aid much?
I'll guess your "interactions" with the cops have been negative, and like all the inmates in Shawshank Prison, you were innocent.
Give it a rest.
43 posted on 10/03/2013 1:47:40 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Too much for stupid liberal parents who have their heads up their butts. They hate the police. They hate the military. But, when someone is kicking down the door or a terrorist is shooting his block up with an AK47, they want you there right freaking now. Stupid idiot liberals are a threat to society. THEY are the problems with this nation. Liberals, progressives, socialists, communists, Obamanuts. All the same and the REAL reason this nation is screwed up so badly.


44 posted on 10/03/2013 1:49:24 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (I am proud to be a Christian and follower of my Lord Jesus Christ. Time is short for U to know Him!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Typical reaction from low info voters. Stupid is as stupid does.

Our society need protection for these low info voters.

45 posted on 10/03/2013 1:49:48 PM PDT by WesternPacific (The herded sheep have finally arrived at the slaughter house.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Urkov has been invited to speak at the school in his full uniform to explain to kids what police officers do.

I would reply that I'd prefer to speak to the School Administration about what Police officers do, as the kids are likely smart enough to have figured it out.

46 posted on 10/03/2013 1:57:31 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too... @Onelifetogive)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Oh, missus principal, do I understand right? you want me to shed my uniform and my pistol before I come to pick up my daughter?
No way, missus principal. I am a peace officer. I put my life in danger every day to protect the public, including you. [thought but not said: “including your sorry liberal a$$”] When I come to your school in uniform you and the children are protected by me. Tell me, missus principal, is the real reason why you don’t want me to come because you DON’T want the kids to have respect for a cop and to feel safe around an armed cop?


47 posted on 10/03/2013 1:59:42 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: 1rudeboy
But where does one find teachers nowadays?

You find college students that can't cope with the rigors of fine arts, PE or general studies curricula then change their majors to Education.

48 posted on 10/03/2013 2:00:59 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: Responsibility2nd

Entz Elementary School

I think the reporter got it wrong. Should be Dunce Elementary School.


49 posted on 10/03/2013 2:01:20 PM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Well, there is at least one cop that knows how the rest of us citizens feels.


50 posted on 10/03/2013 2:03:56 PM PDT by Magnum44 (I have had just about enough)
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