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School Tells Cop Scott Urkov Not To Wear Gun, Uniform When Picking Up Daughter
Opposing Views ^ | 10/03/2013 | By Jonathan Vankin

Posted on 10/03/2013 1:03:08 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd

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To: jch10
I don’t believe they have the right to ask this of the officer. I’d show up in it for spite.

What are they going to do...call the cops?

51 posted on 10/03/2013 2:04:42 PM PDT by BulletBobCo
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Southpark could do a great episode on this.


52 posted on 10/03/2013 2:06:04 PM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: driftdiver

But what happens if you’re driving from point A to point B and you have a few schools you have to pass? Whatever road you choose to go around them has a school on it. So how do you move your “weapons” to where you want to take them?


53 posted on 10/03/2013 2:07:23 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral)
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To: Responsibility2nd

If something goes wrong at the school and they call 911, will they tell the dispatcher to have the responding policemen change out of their uniforms and leave their weapons locked in their vehicles before they arrive on school grounds?


54 posted on 10/03/2013 2:09:26 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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55 posted on 10/03/2013 2:14:48 PM PDT by Rio (Proud resident of the State of Jefferson)
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To: Responsibility2nd

When is it time to say that sending your child to public school is child abuse or worse?

We made decision before we procreated that if we were blessed with children that we would raise them to be adults in a home schooled environment.

Even with the financial loss from having a one income family.

Why have children if your goal in life is to ship them off for others to be responsible for your creation?

We know a few that see making new children as a pay raise and more free stuff from the government.

Then the wonder of where feral children appear from.


56 posted on 10/03/2013 2:20:02 PM PDT by Southern by Grace (kickbacks, bribes, maifia payoffs is how the D's get R' done!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I would suspect that the “detached from reality” school administration is responding to the catastrophic increase of massacres at schools by uniformed policemen. It’s hard to get through a week without reading about another school shooting by uniformed policemen/women. Probably the MSM administration propagandists are not getting the word out.


57 posted on 10/03/2013 2:22:09 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (A civilian forece funded and equal to the military ... Obama/DHS & Hitler/Gestapo & Stalin/KGB)
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To: RedMDer

I had a moron tell me that years ago. I said, why don’t you come take it and see what happens and pushed her out of my way.


58 posted on 10/03/2013 2:23:48 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Responsibility2nd

Surprises me for Arizona


59 posted on 10/03/2013 2:23:50 PM PDT by wardaddy (the next Dark Ages are coming as Western Civilization crumbles with nary a whimper)
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To: G Larry

No doubt.

...and then the next day the *only* armed person at the school isn’t a good guy - not even a cop allowed around. And they think it makes them safer. Unreal.


60 posted on 10/03/2013 2:28:30 PM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Does this surprize anyone? Only if it happend in SURPRIZE, AZ? The people in that town are so gullible.


61 posted on 10/03/2013 2:30:30 PM PDT by fightin kentuckian
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To: RetiredArmy
Too much for stupid liberal parents who have their heads up their butts. They hate the police. They hate the military. But, when someone is kicking down the door or a terrorist is shooting his block up with an AK47, they want you there right freaking now. Stupid idiot liberals are a threat to society. THEY are the problems with this nation. Liberals, progressives, socialists, communists, Obamanuts. All the same and the REAL reason this nation is screwed up so badly.

True, one unexamined aspect of these attitudes is because most people who self identify as liberals are very often abject physical cowards with no sense of personal honor. I recall decades ago in college a prick of a liberal called me a liar to my face. I told him that the reason I didn't cold cock him was I didn't want to get expelled but if he wanted to repeat his remarks off campus I would be happy to oblige. He thought the whole idea of an ‘affront to ones honor’ to be beyond stupid. This fellow became some sort of medical researcher. So we have a governing and intellectual class heavily populated by cowards who have no sense of honor. These people hate guns as ‘symbols of violence’ and have no conception of how to deal with any emergency requiring physical courage and are completely at a loss when they do have to deal with such events.

Some time ago a female from Human Rights watch was permitted to embed with US troops in Afghanistan. She made it clear that she thought they were all killers and male chauvinist pigs. One day out with a patrol team visiting a village a Ghazi with a suicide belt jumped the patrol. Someone yelled ‘bomb’ and as the female later reported ‘two guys i thought were pigs jumped on top of me to protect me from the blast. One of them got some injuries. Her later remarks were ‘Why would you risk you life for someone you scarcely know and know detests you. Wow, I never understood courage until today. Always thought it was just male bs.Its not. Those men are great. They are heroes.’ Unfortunately few libs ever have such a true life experience.

62 posted on 10/03/2013 2:32:22 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: RedMDer

The police in our city are required to carry their guns on or off duty. Uniformed or not.

Don’t be so anti-effusive.


63 posted on 10/03/2013 2:36:11 PM PDT by Fledermaus (OMG! The Federal Government is Shut Down. World To End: Film At Eleven.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Most states exempt sworn law enforcement in uniform from school gun laws

Just another incident from Gun Control Nazis


64 posted on 10/03/2013 2:37:58 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Fact Is: GOPe want ObamaCare.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Looks like the commies got their butts kicked on this one. At least for now.


65 posted on 10/03/2013 2:48:09 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Resolute Conservative

LOL! Good for you. This trooper looked at her in shock and patiently explained that he can’t hand over his weapon. I told him that I would be right back and retrieved a Marine MP. He was given access and kept his weapon of course.

My employer at that time was a major corporation and also a government contractor. We had a military presence in some areas.


66 posted on 10/03/2013 2:48:22 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: Fledermaus
The police in our city are required to carry their guns on or off duty. Uniformed or not.
Don’t be so anti-effusive.

Ours are also required to carry at all times. Go back and reread my post instead of overreacting and jumping to conclusions.

67 posted on 10/03/2013 2:52:46 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Guvment school administrations are stupid. Not ignorant. You can’t fix stupid.

They indoctrinate kids that Homosexuality is good, Guns are bad.

Sad.


68 posted on 10/03/2013 2:52:51 PM PDT by 23 Everest (When seconds count. The police are just 23 minutes away. 831 Bonnie)
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To: driftdiver

Just FYI, if you obtain a concealed carry permit in AZ you are not subject to the 1000’ restriction. Carrying a weapon onto school grounds, however, would still be an issue.


69 posted on 10/03/2013 3:05:20 PM PDT by X. OTerica
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To: Responsibility2nd

That school is inviting a massacre. All it takes is one deranged Democrat off his meds.


70 posted on 10/03/2013 3:09:15 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Rio
 
 
In digging around in the rest of their school district website, they are into Common Core curriculum bigtime, and one of their teachers was Teacher of the Year for Arizona, went to see Obama in the oval office and was apparently happy to do so.
 
 

71 posted on 10/03/2013 3:15:12 PM PDT by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

72 posted on 10/03/2013 3:18:41 PM PDT by MaxMax (If you're not pissed off, you're not paying attention)
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To: MaxMax

Oops, forgot to Add that this is somebody wearing a fake police uniform.


73 posted on 10/03/2013 3:21:22 PM PDT by MaxMax (If you're not pissed off, you're not paying attention)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I know a principal who should be getting some tickets. And I don’t mean to a football game.


74 posted on 10/03/2013 3:46:41 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: metmom; wintertime; cripplecreek; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; GOPsterinMA

Another reason to...oh, well, metmon, you know the routine.

If he were dressed in drag or a leather bondage outfit, he’d get an interview with the school paper and at least one talk show apperance. WTF is happening?


75 posted on 10/03/2013 3:53:29 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (The War on Drugs is Big Government statism)
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To: Responsibility2nd

At least the marine guards at Beirut got to hold M-16s even though their ammo was taken away so that they were unable to create an incident. This so emboldened the ragheads that they shot and ran over the useless guards, drove around the concrete maze and blew up the barracks. Hope the school never has to wish it had a cop around with a real gun and bullets when they really needed one.


76 posted on 10/03/2013 3:54:14 PM PDT by AKinAK (Keep your powder dry pilgrim.)
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To: driftdiver

That’s just it. They are never off duty within tehir jurisdiction, so they have an obligation to use lethal force when appropriate. The difference is the way in which ordinary citizens were once upon a time obligated to be armed as well and under somewhat limited obligations to use lethal force in appropriate circumstances in defense of other citizens. This civilian responsibility for public safety has been deprecated.


77 posted on 10/03/2013 3:55:43 PM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: Clintonfatigued; metmom; wintertime; cripplecreek; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; NFHale

“WTF is happening?”

We’re seeing the fruits of the steady, patient approach of the Communists in the USA.


78 posted on 10/03/2013 3:59:04 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (You're a very weird person, Yossarian.)
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To: oh8eleven

>>On the other side you have jack booted government thug ...
Drink the cop hater kool-aid much?
I’ll guess your “interactions” with the cops have been negative, and like all the inmates in Shawshank Prison, you were innocent.<<

Or maybe he reads all the stories about cops killing dogs for no good reason.


79 posted on 10/03/2013 4:01:20 PM PDT by KAESNO2
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To: Responsibility2nd

Send a polite letter telling them to go f*** themselves.


80 posted on 10/03/2013 4:03:28 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Just someone on a power trip under the guise of helping the chillun.


81 posted on 10/03/2013 4:06:17 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Responsibility2nd.


82 posted on 10/03/2013 4:09:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: ontap
I taught for 15 years and can assure you that some of the most ignorant people can be found at public schools and universities.

I second that. And the higher up you go, the more ignorant they get. I am a former urban school teacher. I found most of my fellow teachers to be sensible folks, just trying to do the best they could under difficult situations.

On the other hand, most of the vice-principals and principals were somewhat divorced from reality.

And the central office folks were, all of them, just clueless, totally ignorant of what was going on.

I'll bet you a dollar that 95% of the teachers in that building welcomed the sight of an armed police officer. But 95% of the central administrators would be horrified by the very thought of it.

83 posted on 10/03/2013 4:19:51 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Two words: Screw ‘em.


84 posted on 10/03/2013 4:43:00 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Because 2 terms with Jerry Brown as Governor was all I could take.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Urkov has bee invited to speak at the school in his full uniform to explain to kids what police officers do.

The kids were taught he works for la migra.


85 posted on 10/03/2013 4:48:57 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: RedMDer

“We had an idiot receptionist several years ago that told a State Trooper that he had to leave his gun with her at the front desk. LOL!”

What kind of establishment was this in, or should I infer it was a Maryland Pubik Screwl ?


86 posted on 10/03/2013 5:03:06 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: PLMerite

Large corporation Government contractor but, it is in Maryland.


87 posted on 10/03/2013 5:05:28 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: driftless2

Did you tell your in law that he was in the Wild west where the bison were armed with buffalo guns?


88 posted on 10/03/2013 5:20:02 PM PDT by Redcitizen (.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“The sight of an armed man — even a fully uniformed police officer — with a handgun on the school grounds was apparently too much for some parents.”

Another example of the typical leftist bed-wetters. These are the same no-balls freaks that some here on FR think will go door-to-door and confiscate our firearms.

Boo!


89 posted on 10/03/2013 5:28:04 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Southern by Grace
When is it time to say that sending your child to public school is child abuse or worse?

NEVER.

Where and how our children are educated in an individual family decision. You may not agree with the choice I or others have made, but your disagreement gives you no excuse to accuse anyone of a heinous crime.

Then the wonder of where feral children appear from.

"Then they wonder from where the feral children appear" is what I believe you were attempting to say.

90 posted on 10/03/2013 5:41:46 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Redcitizen

Ha,ha, no...actually he and his wife were great guests. But many Brits have an inordinate fear/hatred of guns. Of course, Britain is a land with few guns. A lot of burglary but little gun violence.


91 posted on 10/03/2013 5:52:11 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: WhiskeyX

Laws are easy to change. If they aren’t on duty (scheduled and getting paid) then they can leave their gun at home or at the office.

Just like they want us to do in so many places.


92 posted on 10/03/2013 6:02:07 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: robowombat

#62

Leftists don’t believe in genuine courage because they’ve literally never seen it.
Oh, they’ve seen ‘stand-in-a-crowd-of-your-friends-and-call-someone-a-liar’ courage.
But never ‘take-a-bullet-in-the-stomach’ ‘life-and-death’ courage.


93 posted on 10/03/2013 6:22:30 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: 23 Everest
They indoctrinate kids that Homosexuality is good, Guns are bad.

Prove it.

My daughter attends public school and is in 10th grade - she's never heard either.

94 posted on 10/03/2013 7:13:28 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: driftdiver

Obviously the laws could be and were changed when you consider the fact parents and students used to bring their firearms to school.
You certainly did not have to be a police officer to do so.


97 posted on 10/03/2013 8:02:45 PM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: ontap

My daddy had a saying for that, he called it “book smart” and said he meant people that were dumb as rocks when they got away from their books.


98 posted on 10/03/2013 8:10:16 PM PDT by Tammy8 ( ~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: 23 Everest
You are blessed, somewhat confused or a troll?

Excuse me.........

99 posted on 10/03/2013 8:20:56 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: 23 Everest

HUH? Noob - you got issues, deal with them.


100 posted on 10/03/2013 8:23:26 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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