Posted on 10/04/2013 6:27:58 AM PDT by tobyhill
Also, no telling if the SS who started the incident were uniformed in any way. There MUST be video of it, why haven’t we seen it? Why haven’t we even seen a single picture of the allegedly rammed gate?
You know why. Because the full picture would undermine the narrative.
A person is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Someone just can't go on a mental-health spree in the Federal area of the Capital. It will get them shot. Many of the same people on this thread crying "murder" would be screaming "dereliction of duty" if the woman had blown up the Capitol or White House with explosives, a la Oklahoma City truck bombing. Officers on the ground have to make a split-second, life-or-death decision; when you are threatening a police officer, you are going to get shot. That's how they are trained, and every one reading this thread should keep it in mind.
The security hub of the most powerful nation in the world cannot be operated on the same principles as Mayberry. DC officers have a higher duty than to try to coddle a suicidal woman at the wheel using her baby as a human shield, at the very least to the ever-present throngs of tourists wandering in confusion around DC's streets that were purposely designed to befuddle an army trying to make a land assault, and of course to the actual people at the highest level of our government. We may not agree with this government; but the duties of the security people should not be political.
Let’s see the full videotape and we’ll know which one of us has this situation analyzed correctly.
You’ll never ever see it because it will exonerate her.
Maybe we’ll learn a little more in a few minutes - Anderson Cooper is going to have her sister or sisters on CNN at 8 pm ET..... I’ll watch it. They showed a bit of the interview at 6 pm but I’ll check and see what it covers. Very sad case. I don’t think the law would clear any of us if we’d used a firearm after we were threatened in such a manner.
Couldn’t help but notice that obozo and his honcho biden took a stroll down a DC street today for lunch!! A day after that event in DC? I guess he thinks we don’t get his subtle messages. That’s the trouble - we get all his messages and we don’t like them!
How many times have we heard how much security is necessary for the family to move around thus excusing them from attending certain functions? I didn’t see a heck of a lot of clearing of streets for his highness today!
She wasn’t from DC and had no way to know that.
Her belligerence in a strange city is crazy on its face. As a mother, she was an idiot to race the car in a strange city street, even if she was trying to escape perceived danger. Eighty MPH in a city packed with pedestrians? Cray-cray, big time. You don't take an infant into a strange big city and then do the "angry black woman" response when you have made a mistake that damaged someone else's property, no matter whose.
Let's for one minute say your theory that she was just a little confused in traffic is true. No one has mentioned the other subscript here: the men who challenged her were likely to have been white. After making her little "mistake" ramming a Barrycade outside the White House, as you suggest, she was too radicalized by our "uniter" president and his race-based tirades about the arrest of the Harvard professor and the shooting of his son Trayvon to have trusted the white officer enough to roll down her window and ask for directions, for the safety of her own little baby. She didn't do that. She tried to speed away in a strange city.
The innocent traffic mistake theory also sets aside the discoveries police in Connecticut have made when they searched her residence: she was prescribed anti-depressants and anti-psychotic meds. Had she taken her meds as prescribed? Are these meds safe and without side effects like "psychotic break" in all individuals to whom they are prescribed?
As someone who often walks around the Federal area, I am personally relieved they took her out. It was tragic; but it wasn't wrong.
> Eighty MPH in a city packed with pedestrians? Cray-cray, big time.
Yet hundreds of cops did exactly that in responding to the incident, including one who totaled his own cruiser against a stationary barricade.
Also on the crazy list is discharging a dozen rounds in a city packed with pedestrians. Bystanders can and do get shot as just recently happened in New York.
Also, we still have the issue of after she crashed and got out of the car, the cops put several rounds into her to finish her off. That’s an execution any way you want to describe it, and the America I know doesn’t allow that kind of thing. We used to have trials and the like.
Until we see what went down at the White House - and video most certainly exists unless someone deliberately destroyed it - there is a distinct possibility that her actions were perfectly reasonable in context.
So why are they hiding the context? I can think of no good reason other than covering something up.
On the mental health stuff, it doesn’t matter if she’s a complete lunatic, police simply cannot execute someone. It’s not their call to make. Their job is to put the person in custody, so that the justice system can do its work - not in a grave.
I disagree. Her speeding car led the pack and put bystanders in immediate peril. The cars in pursuit had sirens and flashing lights or were marked “Police”. As the photos show, once the sirens and chase started, people heard the warnings and ran out of the way. Again, not knowing if she was a suicide bomber, they took her out. Too bad for her, who would never under any normal circumstance have subjected her child to a long, interstate journey with no legitimate destination.
I guess I find it a lot harder to blame someone from running away from guns pointed at her than you do.
Now her baby will be without a mother. In this case, it might be for the best.
That ethic is appropriate to soldiers in a war zone - not to civilian police.
If you’d agree that we live under a de facto military occupation, that we could see eye to eye on, if never the appropriateness of gunning down an unarmed civilian in the street for the capital crime of failing to stop when ordered to do so.
I think that was the initial story, but not sure it was official.
A NY Post article published yesterday says that she drove into a White House driveway, over several smaller barricades and was stopped by a much larger barricade.
What she is not, at this or any other point, is a mortal threat that needs to be neutralized and executed. She’s a lost middle-class professional mother with her child in downtown DC who just got shot at.
She probably wasn't much of a threat, but the police had no way to know that. But, she was acting like someone who was a threat, evading police after being stopped twice.
However, her medical history includes multiple incidents in the past year where she was led away or carried away in restraints. And according to the woman's own family, she believed she was being "stalked by Obama".
I'll ask the same question I asked another poster: are you sure you want to try to sell that "lost in DC" story?
> However, her medical history includes multiple incidents in the past year where she was led away or carried away in restraints.
Wait, what? Please show where that info comes from.
> And according to the woman’s own family, she believed she was being “stalked by Obama”.
Well, we all are, and that’s public knowledge thanks to Edward Snowden and others, so that’s not particularly noteworthy.
Anyway, all the uncertainty can be settled by seeing the videotape of the WH end of the incident. Does it raise any skepticism in your mind that we haven’t seen it?
>I think that was the initial story, but not sure it was official.
It sure was official, came right from the Secret Service spokesman.
It’s quite a bit more official than all these unsourced allegations of mental health issues, which look like nothing but pure character assassination to me. Barely a person in the nation you couldn’t comb through their life and claim a mental health problem, given that every human emotion is considered a disorder by the modern psychiatric industry. According to modern standards of mental health, there is no such thing as a mentally healthy person.
It was reported by the NY Post yesterday. One of them occurred only a few months ago, while she was visiting her sister in NYC. The source was her sister, and people that lived on the same block.
DC rampage mom was ‘obsessed’ with Obama
The other incident occurred in Stamford, CT. That was reported by ABC News:
Capitol Suspect Miriam Carey Believed Obama Electronically Monitored Her
Well, we all are, and that’s public knowledge thanks to Edward Snowden and others, so that’s not particularly noteworthy.
But most of us don't think Obama is doing it so he can broadcast our life on TV. I suspect that all the reports about spying by the NSA has exacerbated the paranoia of more people that were already "near the edge".
Her own family was quoted extensively in the articles I cited in my previous posting.
Thanks for the info.
Still doesn’t justify her execution, but it is good to have more information. Let’s see what happened at the WH proper and we can have a satisfying final answer on whether she was acting reasonably or not.
She behaved like a terrorist. They did their duty. Get over it. And when you have a chance, visit Washington, observe the streets for yourself, and try wising off to a police officer. Watch what happens.
She didn’t behave like a terrorist. No reasonable person could look at that video and see intent to injure. Clear intention is to flee, not to cause damage.
Seeing every situation as a terrorist situation is a fixation, and results in cases like this where a person was killed who didn’t have to be killed.
That is a military posture, not a civilian posture. It is completely inappropriate in any US city, especially the Capitol itself. It is just like the case in Iraq where US soldiers gunned down a woman approaching their checkpoint - she was carrying food for them, to thank them. It is the siege mentality that causes the inappropriate escalation of violence.
In addition, there is the question of essential responsibilities of the police. It is their responsibility to absorb threats to civilians, not to create them, or to magnify those threats and reflect them back on the public through a high-violence posture. The one-car crashed cruiser exemplifies the recklessness of the police response - completely unnecessary violence and damage caused entirely by force posture and attitude with no outside assistance required.
Unless the US is under military occupation, this is a murder case.
No, really. You should come to Washington and express your concerns in person to the Secret Service agents outside the White House. I’m sure they’d be glad to hear your opinion. Too bad I’m not.
I would, but they have no time for meetings between all the coke and hookers.
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