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Legendary Vietnam Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap Dies
ABC-AP ^ | 10/4/2013 | MARGIE MASON and CHRIS BRUMMITT

Posted on 10/04/2013 7:01:23 AM PDT by Borges

Edited on 10/04/2013 7:05:01 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Vo Nguyen Giap, the brilliant and ruthless self-taught general who drove the French out of Vietnam to free it from colonial rule and later forced the Americans to abandon their grueling effort to save the country from communism, has died. At age 102, he was the last of Vietnam's old-guard revolutionaries.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: communism; hochiminh; vietnam; vonguyengiap

1 posted on 10/04/2013 7:01:23 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges
Well, bye.

Red bastard.

2 posted on 10/04/2013 7:03:01 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: Borges
He never lived to see Vietnam succeed.

Good.

3 posted on 10/04/2013 7:03:04 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Borges

Will Obama order flags to half staff?


4 posted on 10/04/2013 7:03:10 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: Borges

The media will give this guy better treatment than Reagan got I bet


5 posted on 10/04/2013 7:04:02 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Borges

And today Vietnam is asking OUR help because they’re being bullied by their fellow Commies, China. Burn in hell, Giap.


6 posted on 10/04/2013 7:04:39 AM PDT by travlnmn41
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To: ClearCase_guy
Will Obama order flags to half staff?

Secretary of State Kerry (he served in Vietnam, you know) is on his way to Hanoi at this moment, carrying a large blanket of roses for the casket.

/S

7 posted on 10/04/2013 7:06:24 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("Life is short. It's even shorter if you suggest going out for pizza on your anniversary" Peter Egan)
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To: Borges

Oh my God. ABC news is making Giap out to be George Washington. He killed Americans. He liked killing Americans. Unfortunately, he was good at it. And ABC News writes a glowing obituary? What’s next from ABC?

HITLER: HE COULD REALLY DANCE!!!!!


8 posted on 10/04/2013 7:07:11 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Borges
The media is so good at what they do.
Just from what you posted I see that he was brilliant and legendary...
Wow
9 posted on 10/04/2013 7:10:27 AM PDT by novemberslady
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To: blueunicorn6

Hitler liked dogs and children as well.
Giap didn’t defeat the USA alone. He had help with the left here. people like Ted Kennedy, Jane Fonda and John Kerry have as much blood on their hands as Giap.
If the USA was united, the NVA would have never succeded.


10 posted on 10/04/2013 7:10:52 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: Borges

A brilliant military tactician.

What a pity he did not choose to lead Vietnam to freedom, instead of slavery.


11 posted on 10/04/2013 7:10:57 AM PDT by Bobalu (Bobo the Wonder Marxist leads Operation Rodeo Clown against Syria)
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To: Borges

Think what you will of this ruthless commie, he was one tough em eff.


12 posted on 10/04/2013 7:11:18 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: Bobalu

These military figures from dictatorial regimes really have an advantage don’t they? It’s much easier to succeed when you are willing to sacrifice so many lives of your own troops to do it. Giap and Stalin had this mindset.


13 posted on 10/04/2013 7:12:54 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

“He regularly accepted heavy combat losses to achieve his goals.”

Josef Stalin
Georgi Zhukov
Ivan Konev
Nikolai Vatutin
Mao Zedong
Chou En Lai
Peng Dehuai
Pol Pot

In an atheistic political system, denial that men have souls means they are nothing but pieces of meat to be disposed of as the state sees fit. Never forget that it’s the cornerstone of every communist nation.


14 posted on 10/04/2013 7:14:59 AM PDT by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: Borges
As we used to say, as a dead Red, Giap is now a good Red.
15 posted on 10/04/2013 7:17:01 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Borges
The article skirts that he was a communist and our enemy.

So typical of ABC-Socialist/Communist news.

16 posted on 10/04/2013 7:18:43 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: Borges

RIH


17 posted on 10/04/2013 7:18:48 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...)
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To: Borges
Giap was not a brilliant general.

He was able to sacrifice half a million North Vietnamese soldiers without being removed from command.

His victory was based on taking ten casualties for every single French or American casualty.

His greatest victory, at Dien Bien Phu, was based on doing something no Western general would have been allowed to do without being relieved of command and court-martialed.

He sent men out into an open field of fire to emplace artillery, and as they were cut down he sent in more and more until it was emplaced.

His strategy was to simply throw corpses at his enemies until they were smothered.

18 posted on 10/04/2013 7:22:06 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Borges

The good die young.


19 posted on 10/04/2013 7:22:44 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: Borges

I wonder if John Kerry will attend his funeral, since he’s flying to Asia anyway now?


20 posted on 10/04/2013 7:23:05 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Democrats: The perfect party for the helpless and stupid, and those who would rule over them.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Will Obama order flags to half staff?

Just damn...third reply...well played.

Ivy League schools and UC Berkeley beat Obama to the punch.

21 posted on 10/04/2013 7:23:52 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: Fido969
he was one tough em eff

Not really.

He spent the whole Tet Offensive in nearby Budapest, for example.

It's good to be king.

22 posted on 10/04/2013 7:23:59 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Yorlik803

It would have been a 6 month campaign.


23 posted on 10/04/2013 7:28:06 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Borges; stylecouncilor

One has to wonder what would have happened had Truman not green-
lighted France's re-entry to their former colony following WWII.
24 posted on 10/04/2013 7:31:17 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: blueunicorn6

“Oh my God. ABC news is making Giap out to be George Washington. He killed Americans. He liked killing Americans. Unfortunately, he was good at it. And ABC News writes a glowing obituary? What’s next from ABC?”

They are carrying on his legacy assuming the role of useful idiots as they were during the Vietnam war.


25 posted on 10/04/2013 7:32:44 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: wideawake
Giap was not a brilliant general.
Got his @ss handed to him at Khe Sahn, not to mention that the Tet Offensive as a whole, was a HUGE loss for the North.
Semper Fi ...
26 posted on 10/04/2013 7:33:23 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Borges

I remember when the CIA declared both Che and Gen Gaip dead. Then they showed up very much alive.

Several years ago I found on a YAHOO web page, an excerpt of Gen Giap’s book on the VN war and how they won.

They were totally defeated after the TET offensive and were ready to negotiate with the US and South VN.

Then the treasonous son-of-a-bitch WALTER CRONKITE came on TV and declared we could not win the war.

Giap decided to try again and kept up till he negotiated the US out of SVN and then attacked.

That YAHOO page has since disappeared.


27 posted on 10/04/2013 7:33:31 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: wideawake

What you said is all quite true, and it’s largely reflective of a quote from Giap.

“Even if it comes to only myself and my revolver against the full might of the Americans, even at those odds, I shall win.”

That’s a fanatic, and people like that think nothing of unlimited casualties to achieve their goal.


28 posted on 10/04/2013 7:34:41 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Borges

May he rot in hell and he will.

Victory brought to him by the democrats in the US Congress.

He was a butcher they used to chain their soldiers inside their tanks so they would have to fight or die in the tank and couldn’t surrender.


29 posted on 10/04/2013 7:39:08 AM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: blueunicorn6

They still hate Hitler, but Lenin, Stalin, Castro, Guevara, and Mao, they love.


30 posted on 10/04/2013 7:40:47 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: Williams

Never regard of that but no surprise.


31 posted on 10/04/2013 7:45:11 AM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: Borges

RIH Commie rat.


32 posted on 10/04/2013 9:02:10 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Borges
"General Thi believes that the [American] media played a major role in the final downfall of South Vietnam. He quotes North Vietnam General Vo Nguyen Giap as stating in a French TV broadcast that Giap’s 'most important guerrilla during the Vietnam War was the American press.'"

Here I remember those days and I remember Walter "North Viet Nam Communists' Most Trusted Man in America" Cronkite.

By the time Cronkite no longer concealed his desire for a U.S. defeat the "anti-war", pro-Ho crowd owned the media. 1968.

I remember that the media even furnished red, blue, and yellow "protest banners" to the "anti-war" crowd. (Viet Cong flags.)

33 posted on 10/04/2013 9:13:31 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Borges

Giap, your long delayed orders to report to Satan have been received.

Finally.

Rot in hell.

Why oh why do these old Commies live so long?

He knew he could never beat American military might, and he never did. The strategy was to break the will of the US gov’t to wage the war.

Which he, and SOBs like John Kerry, eventually did.

Kerry, Fonda, and their commie ilk , including the Dems in Congress in 1975 who voted to defund the aid to South Vietnam causing it to fall(even though it was the law of the land) were directly responsible for the deaths of over three million people in Cambodia,Laos and SV after the war ended.

And they made the sacrifices of those 58,000 names on the Vietnam Memorial almost in vain.

It is a wrong that has never been righted.


34 posted on 10/04/2013 9:19:41 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: blueunicorn6

AP wrote it. But obviously ABC News agrees with it.


35 posted on 10/04/2013 10:30:59 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Did the Wayback Machine capture that Yahoo page by any chance?


36 posted on 10/04/2013 10:32:30 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Borges

RIH, “...general...”


37 posted on 10/04/2013 10:33:57 AM PDT by QualityMan (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: exit82

Why oh why do these old Commies live so long?
My mother told me this old saying, “The Devil takes care of his own.” Of course, aid and comfort from our liberal left fifth column (including trading with Communist Vietnam’s chief sponsor Red China) sure didn’t hurt this one . . .
38 posted on 10/04/2013 10:34:37 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

It is good he died. Unfortunately, it wasn’t many decades ago.


39 posted on 10/04/2013 10:56:37 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Olog-hai

It is good he died. Unfortunately, it wasn’t many decades ago.


40 posted on 10/04/2013 10:56:53 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
I wonder if John Kerry will attend his funeral, since he’s flying to Asia anyway now?

When he gets to the funeral he'll find McCain already settled into the front row.

41 posted on 10/04/2013 11:02:57 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: blueunicorn6

—He killed Americans. He liked killing Americans.—

He also liked killing the French.

/just leaving this here.


42 posted on 10/04/2013 2:30:01 PM PDT by JoeTheGeorgian
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To: Borges

He lived long enough to see Vietnam make underwear for Imperialist Running Dogs and Capitalist Roaders. I’m not sure that’s what he had in mind.


43 posted on 10/04/2013 2:32:33 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: JoeTheGeorgian

Here’s the obituary the AP and ABC should have had.

Giap died.


44 posted on 10/04/2013 2:44:56 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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