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Raw video: Dashboard cam footage of deadly shootout
KGW.com ^ | Posted on October 3, 2013 at 4:58 PM | KGW

Posted on 10/04/2013 10:15:48 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda

Raw video: Dashboard cam footage of deadly shootout

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Here's the full story in the Daily News.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-killed-opens-fire-oregon-state-trooper-kids-sit-car-article-1.1476110

1 posted on 10/04/2013 10:15:48 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

I’m trying to see where he got shot. It looks like right after he started shooting he twists to the right.


2 posted on 10/04/2013 10:16:34 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (What do we want? Time travel. When do we want it? It's irrelevant.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Queue the pathetic cop hater FReepers who will say that the police officer deserved it.


3 posted on 10/04/2013 10:19:54 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

WHAT shootout? A “shootout” isn’t like a one-way street, it’s a gun battle between at least two shooters.


4 posted on 10/04/2013 10:21:10 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: equaviator

Whoops! Wrong incident. Please disregard previous post.


5 posted on 10/04/2013 10:22:05 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

The officer would have been justified in shooting him the first time he started walking toward him...glad the trooper is ok, bad guy, well, adult decisions have adult consequences. Too bad he decided to die in front of his kids like that.


7 posted on 10/04/2013 10:22:16 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Yeah, he certainly doesn’t look hit as he gets back in the car. Another “Obama son” gone.


8 posted on 10/04/2013 10:22:52 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue (I have no home. I'm the wind.)
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To: papertyger

Yeah, and “yay for the shooter,” right, jerk?


9 posted on 10/04/2013 10:23:28 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Glad to read the perp died from his wound a short time later. Props to the cop for this righteous shooting—he saved the taxpayers some cash and may well have saved the lives of potential future victims of the perp.


10 posted on 10/04/2013 10:23:43 AM PDT by House Atreides ( D)
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To: Molon Labbie

“Too bad he decided to die in front of his kids like that.”

No, it’s not.


11 posted on 10/04/2013 10:24:02 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue (I have no home. I'm the wind.)
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To: fwdude

Queue the pathetic cop hater FReepers who will say that the police officer deserved it.
******************************************************************
fwdude, are you suffering from a mental illness?


12 posted on 10/04/2013 10:24:55 AM PDT by House Atreides ( D)
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To: fwdude
Donut-muncher murdered this innocent man!
/cop hater off
13 posted on 10/04/2013 10:25:18 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

You can see hands behind back and his right shoulder elevate, That is a suspicious act.

It will be curious to find out who this was.

I hope they get him.

no “self defense” for the attacker, his intent was clear


14 posted on 10/04/2013 10:25:41 AM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

Those kids are going to be effed up, maybe for life because dad wanted to go down blazing. Sad all the way around.


15 posted on 10/04/2013 10:27:21 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: fwdude
Queue the pathetic cop hater FReepers who will say that the police officer deserved it posters who pull straw men out of their asses.
16 posted on 10/04/2013 10:27:40 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: House Atreides; papertyger
fwdude, are you suffering from a mental illness?

Apparently you haven't heard the visceral hatred that some anarchist jerks here have for ALL cops. And I mean ALL COPS.

Stick around, and you'll soon see a few on this thread. Papertyger is one of them.

17 posted on 10/04/2013 10:27:41 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

It could be adrenaline, he doesn’t feel it until he gets in the car, but it looks like he got hit after he got off the first few shots - He twists to the right as if hit. The cop must have been standing out with his gun ready. Either that or the guy shot himself in the chest when he got back in the car.


18 posted on 10/04/2013 10:28:23 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (What do we want? Time travel. When do we want it? It's irrelevant.)
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To: fwdude

The surest bar from learning the truth is the assumption you already have it.

Only an idiot would assume cops have a bad reputation among FReepers because said FReepers are some kind of malcontents.

It’s like an atheist barista assuming a Christian PhD. is “stupid and superstitious.”


19 posted on 10/04/2013 10:28:55 AM PDT by papertyger (Blessed are the flexible for they shall not be broken....)
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To: kimtom

He’s a army vet

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-killed-opens-fire-oregon-state-trooper-kids-sit-car-article-1.1476110


20 posted on 10/04/2013 10:30:02 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (What do we want? Time travel. When do we want it? It's irrelevant.)
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To: Sans-Culotte

Ah, another cop hater.


21 posted on 10/04/2013 10:30:41 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Why is the cop knowingly out on patrol with dangerously defective equipment, ie., the broken windshield?


22 posted on 10/04/2013 10:30:55 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I'm not a gynecologist, but I'll take a look.)
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To: kimtom

I thought the shooter died of wounds after having driven about a mile.


23 posted on 10/04/2013 10:32:32 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: fwdude
Apparently you haven't heard the visceral hatred that some anarchist jerks here have for ALL cops. And I mean ALL COPS.

And Apparently you are among the idiot sheep who don't understand one can not maintain a "presumption of innocence" while simultaneously lying to a suspect in the attempt to get him to incriminate himself.

It's the industry standard. Find me a cop who doesn't do it, and I'll acknowledge a "good" cop.

24 posted on 10/04/2013 10:33:00 AM PDT by papertyger (Blessed are the flexible for they shall not be broken....)
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To: papertyger

You’re exactly the type I was referring to. Thanks for the example.


25 posted on 10/04/2013 10:34:29 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: kimtom
John Van Allen, 34, was driving his three children - a 10-year-old girl and two boys, ages 13 and 15 - when he opened fire on Orgeon State Police Trooper Matthew Zistel on Aug. 29. Allen, a former soldier with the U.S. Army, was shot in the chest before he drove away. He was found slouched over the wheel of his car a half-mile up the road and pronounced dead.

He's been got. He has turned his life around, and is now completely reformed.

26 posted on 10/04/2013 10:34:34 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
Very unfortunate. Young man had too much on his shoulders; and he was too worried about things getting in the way of trying to have a better life. A bad case of Under Pressure.

Highway Patrol Officer tried to do the right thing.

27 posted on 10/04/2013 10:34:53 AM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

What a dip $hit. Good riddance. Too bad he passed along his seed.


28 posted on 10/04/2013 10:37:07 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Cop should have drawn down on him as soon as he exited the vehicle and fired at him as soon as he took the first step toward the cruiser.


29 posted on 10/04/2013 10:38:51 AM PDT by Wiggins
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To: fwdude
Queue the pathetic cop hater FReepers who will say that the police officer deserved it.
C'mon, everyone knows (especially the pathetic FR cop haters) pizza delivery is MUCH more dangerous.
30 posted on 10/04/2013 10:46:25 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Anybody see that the suspect accidentally dropped his mag, and retrieved it from the front the car?


31 posted on 10/04/2013 10:47:45 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

I’m glad the perp didn’t get away and that the officer will recover.

Too bad the kids had to watch their idiot father die.


32 posted on 10/04/2013 10:48:51 AM PDT by 1035rep
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To: papertyger

The bootlickers get pretty cocky when a ‘good’ cop shooting is on camera for all to see. I assume they are hiding here to get away from threads about the unarmed woman getting blown away in front of her child in DC. Someone in here will no doubt say she deserved it in 5...4...3...


33 posted on 10/04/2013 10:57:38 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: meadsjn

this story (with others) does not seem right.
I may have missed something, it seemed unprovoked....could he be using his “ELF” weapon???


34 posted on 10/04/2013 10:58:11 AM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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To: fwdude

You’re right. There are a few posters here that are spring loaded to the “hate cops” position no matter what the situation.


35 posted on 10/04/2013 10:58:43 AM PDT by newbolt
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

his style seemed to say such


36 posted on 10/04/2013 10:59:08 AM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
Some of the comments at that linked article are sickening and pathetic.
"I doubt a family military man would try to start trouble with a police officer while his kids are in the car. Its clear the media has lied here. The story does not make sense. "

Facts mean nothing to these people. Facts that don't fit their template reality.

It's just like the global warming people. Reality doesn't conform to their computer model, so reality is wrong.

37 posted on 10/04/2013 11:01:22 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
This is too bizarre and closely related to the woman shot at the White House Barrycades. Both were black people. Both had children in the car. Both were shot and killed by police.

Tin foil hat on: Add in all the recent black mob violence against whites and I am wondering if blacks are being programmed, ordered to kill whites/police? Or maybe strong suggestions and hints from the pulpit/black 'leaders'?

38 posted on 10/04/2013 11:01:39 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: newbolt

Thank you. For the deniers, I have proof.


39 posted on 10/04/2013 11:12:20 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

The man stood with his right arm behind him the whole time.

That is as good as leaving a suicide note.

You don’t show your hands you are a target.

This officer was right to shoot this fool.


40 posted on 10/04/2013 11:14:14 AM PDT by Venturer (Obamacare is a criminal act.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

That’s a right nice ‘cop hater’ video with a very happy ending.

I would have rather seen his brain matter flying through the air in a cloud of red mist, but at least he bled out. -spit-


41 posted on 10/04/2013 11:18:56 AM PDT by Gator113 (The mighty Bear ate the cowardly rat. Obama must resign.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

How terrible for the children.


42 posted on 10/04/2013 11:19:11 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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Yeah I was rewinding and looking at that, and I’m wondering if he dropped it because he was shot, or was he trying to reload? It looks like he got a few shots off then was shot by the cop which is why he twists to his right, I don’t think he got enough shots off to need a reload.

But then they say in that other article in the Daily News he was shot in the chest and died, does that look like a chest shot to you? He may have shot himself in the chest when he took off.


43 posted on 10/04/2013 11:26:46 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (What do we want? Time travel. When do we want it? It's irrelevant.)
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To: Molon Labbie
I just assumed he was reloading. Glad the cop made it, I thought the assailant was moving on the passenger side to shoot through he window.
44 posted on 10/04/2013 11:26:47 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: fwdude

Sad but true.


45 posted on 10/04/2013 11:36:10 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: fwdude

I’ve seen the rabid cop haters in threads on FR. I don’t engage them because I deem doing so as as useless an endeavor as engaging liberals who refuse to admit they are filled with hatred. It’s just as senseless as the left’s hatred of guns and gun owners only much more easily ignored.


46 posted on 10/04/2013 11:42:39 AM PDT by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: Venturer

I think the Cop should have drawn down on him when he didn’t show his hands.


47 posted on 10/04/2013 11:50:10 AM PDT by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: fwdude

When you define ‘cop haters’ as anyone who disagrees with you, I suppose finding threads full of ‘cop haters’ becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, doesn’t it?


48 posted on 10/04/2013 11:51:29 AM PDT by tnlibertarian (Shut 'er down and leave it.)
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To: Wiggins

I get what you are saying, and the fact the guys hands were hidden certainly adds to your point, but given the courts today (and more than a few FReepers), if the cop shot and all the guy was doing was reaching for his wallet, was deaf, anxious, whatever, then the cop-haters would have been all over the cop for shooting an “innocent” man.

Can an officer shoot when someone is walking towards them in a threatening manner? What if the guy had nothing in his hand and was walking to get close to fight the officer. . .no weapon. . .how is the officer to respond? Shoot? What if the officer shoots an unarmed bad guy. . .I dare say in that case the officer would be crucified for shooting because he was losing/lost a fight. And if the cop waits and it turns out the bad guy had a weapon and hurts/kills the cop, then the cop would be second-guessed harshly for not shooting earlier.

Yes, walking towards the officer with hands hidden is certainly threatening and that presents a real challenge on when the officer would be justified in shooting.

When split-seconds count, the media/race-hustlers/juries take weeks to second-guess. . .


49 posted on 10/04/2013 11:52:41 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: tnlibertarian

This is how I define a cop hater: someone who says “all cops are corrupt,” or “all cops are power hungry maniacs.” Yes, these statements have been spouted on this forum. And if you agree with them, I don’t think many here will shrink from calling you a cop hater.


50 posted on 10/04/2013 11:59:44 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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