Skip to comments.ANF [Allegheny National Forest]: We’re Closed
Posted on 10/04/2013 11:11:51 AM PDT by Rodamala
Planning to take advantage of the beautiful fall weather with a trip to the Allegheny National Forest?
"We're in the process of closing down our campgrounds and developed facilities, due to the lapse in funding," Allegheny National Forest Supervisor Erin Connelly said on Thursday. "Where there are gates, they will be closed."
Times Observer photo by Josh Cotton
Rimrock overlook area in the Allegheny National Forest has been closed due to the lapse in federal
government funding, according to a sign posted at the gate. The facility will reopen once Congress
(Excerpt) Read more at timesobserver.com ...
Like they can really stop someone from using the rest of the forest.
Anyone with a complaint about this should call 1-800-318-2596 (1-800-F**KYO) to complain.
..utterly ridiculous...what are they going to do if you're caught walking on the beach?
First Explanation in Writing As To Why USFS Is Closing Privately-Funded Parks. Coyote Blog (Dispatches from a Small Business), Warren Meyer, October 3, 2013.
From our shutdown order:
Congress has not provided appropriations for fiscal year 2014. Pursuant to applicable legal requirements in the Antideficiency Act and Attorney General opinions addressing agency operations in the absence of appropriations, the Forest Service is unable to administer federally-owned recreation facilities. Consequently these facilities will be shut down and posted accordingly with signs provided, with gates locked where they exist, restrooms locked, and water systems shut down. Visitors in occupied sites would be given 48 hours to vacate, with the area shut down as the last visitor leaves, not to exceed 48 hours.
In other words, we pay all the bills, run the parks in an independent manner, have no USFS people stationed in the parks, but we have to shut down because the Forest Service can no longer "administer" the facilities. Huh? What day-to-day administration is necessary. Remember that the USFS itself did not think their presence was necessary, originally confirming on Tuesday that we would stay open as we had in all past shutdowns.
We often go weeks and months in these facilities without ever seeing a USFS manager. The USFS considers it so important to have staff available to "administer" these facilities that none of their recreation personnel work on weekends or on holidays, by far and away the busiest and most difficult times in these facilities.
PS- I see the part about the Attorney General. Did Eric Holder decide to close us? Doesn't he know that poor and minorities disproportionately use public vs. private recreation? Isn't that a disparate impact issue in closing us?
Obama trying to defund the fall foliage LOL
So... if they are blocking off the access to the parking lot, I suppose that you can park at the gate and walk in... but what if I am in a wheelchair? ADA lawsuit?
Harry made the Senate dems vote down the funds to open it yesterday.
Story didn’t mention that of course LOL!
"The Antideficiency Act (ADA), Pub.L. 97258, 96 Stat. 923, is legislation enacted by the United States Congress to prevent the incurring of obligations or the making of expenditures (outlays) in excess of amounts available in appropriations or funds. The law was initially enacted in 1884, with major amendments occurring in 1950 (64 Stat. 765) and 1982 (96 Stat. 923). It is now codified at 31 U.S.C. § 1341. The ADA prohibits the federal government from entering into a contract that is not "fully funded" because doing so would obligate the government in the absence of an appropriation adequate to the needs of the contract. This Act of Congress is sometimes known as Section 3679 of the Revised Statutes, as amended."
"and Attorney General opinions ...
are combined to put up a barrier.
an opinion and a fear of assuming more obligation is what is shutting these parks down.
From what I see and understand ... no LAW, no enforceable law ... is in play.
PARK, y'all ...
Do the bears know this?
We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in the national forests, we shall fight on the national memorials, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our constitution, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender!
If the employees are not allowed to do work, who locked the gate?
Do Pennsylvanians know this(the ones not from Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and Scranton)? Could be some trouble.
What if a family were to drive up to a gate, pull the barriers aside ... and not enter ... but picnic outside on the entrance ... would someone come along and put the barrier back up ?
It's worse than that. The company that runs the campgrounds for the National Parks and Forests in the SW reports being forced to foot the bill for the Barrycades that threaten to put them out of business.
Go open any gate near enough to you and encourage others to do the same.
.utterly ridiculous...what are they going to do if you’re caught walking on the beach?
Who is going to catch you? Their shut down right?
I’d just walk in.
Might go to Pinnacles or Point Reyes this weekend.
Hoky Smokes! My home town. I visited Rimrock many many times as a lad. It’s wierd what is going on in that little town. It has morphed into a bohemian enclave (more or less). Smart bohemians, Warren is a gorgeous town with beautiful scenery.
Back home there is a road called White Bridge Road... there is a steel bridge on the road a small truss bridge. Well back about 10 years ago, for mischief night, somebody showed up and painted the bridge... white. They did a thorough job, too... All the steel was coated... a lot of drools and such, but they painted the whole thing... the bridge as of 3 years ago was slated for replacement, but everyone in tbe neighborhood saw there was nothing wrong with it... and so as far as I know the 2 million dollar bridge replacement was on hold. If anything, it could use a fresh coat of paint... haven't been there recently... google white bridge road in quakertown, nj...
Well loose lips sink ships, but here goes. I took a ride up to the Kinzua Dam/Rimrock/Jakes Rocks and here is what I found:
There was a plastic Barrycade at the dam parking lot with the expected "Closed until further notice" sign. There were many Fall Foliage peepers there that had just drove around the stupid little plastic sawhorse. Motorcycles and cars in the lot, families out walking onto the dam and along the path on the side of the road. Life goes on.
At Jakes Rocks the gate was closed with the sign about congress' impass... and many cars parked at the locked gate, as people just ignored the gate and sign and walked in.
Same deal at Rimrock, just like the picture I posted from the paper.
Well, I made the trip for a reason, this situation begged for a tad of civil disobedience, and I suppose there is comfort knowing everyone parked at these locations were similarly saying "FUBO".
Well, I had brought along with me some tape and some printouts of various sizes of these two signs:
You know where this is going...
So, yeah, little vandal, anarchist, TEA party extremist me taped 8-1/2"x11" copies of those 2 pictures right on the gates for all to see, next to the "Closed" signage. At Rimrock there were 2 pickups parked there at the locked metal gate, so I took the last 2 0bama ones that I had printed out as 3"x5" postcards and put them under the wiperblades facing the driver.
I feel petty, but good in a way. I hope people at least take a millisecond and think about what is going on in this country. I wish I took pictures to upload, but didn't have my camera with me.
Driving back to town, I saw the gate for the consession area near the boat launch was Barrycaded (another locked metal pemanent gate) with a "Congressional Impass" sign as well, but I had run out of printouts at that point.
I hope more people out there act out. It's time. If this goes another week, boltcutters may have to be applied to these locks... the leaves are just really spectacular at these overlooks... lots of reds and oranges and yellows, still mixed in with the green.
Thanks for the update.
I have always blown off closed trail signs.
Usually the worst you find is some park employees getting naked and smoking doobies down there.
Heh! What are they gonna do when you have the goods on them?!! LOL
By the way, Hat tip.
I saw the gate for the consession area near the boat launch was Barrycaded.. At Wolfes’ run? I thought Wolfes Run Marina was private ?
I feel petty,...JEEZ, don’t. Kinzua is almost impossible to fish but it sure is fun to run two 175 hp Mercury’s up to NY and back down down again. Don’t know if that’s allowed since 1977 or so.
Thanks for the larf! ☺
Every car got a handbill... and there was a real specific joy putting one on the car with the Obama/Biden 2012 bumper sticker. There was a poor woman that just showed up with 3 10-12 year old girls and when they saw me placing these little handbills I heard them saying something worried like, "He's giving out tickets", and they were getting back in their car and so I handed one to the woman and said "This land is your land, this land is my land". A family of Indians (dots not feathers) had pulled up too and they were very confused by the gate. 2 elederly gentlemen were waiting for their wives to come back and they asked me for a few more handbills... they were in their 70's and fairly disgusted.
Here are a couple thumbnail pictures, linked to larger versions:
Those are AWESOME!
You Sir, are a patriot!
employees were being recalled from furlough to set up barry-cades.
Imgagine how many feds its going to take to barricade the entire Grand Canyon. and the federal highway system.
now. when are the Chicago grifters going to be evicted from the WH? federal property!
Taxman Bravo Zulu!