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ANF [Allegheny National Forest]: We’re Closed
Warren Times-Observer ^ | October 4, 2013 | Ben Klein

Posted on 10/04/2013 11:11:51 AM PDT by Rodamala

Planning to take advantage of the beautiful fall weather with a trip to the Allegheny National Forest?

Think again.

"We're in the process of closing down our campgrounds and developed facilities, due to the lapse in funding," Allegheny National Forest Supervisor Erin Connelly said on Thursday. "Where there are gates, they will be closed."


Times Observer photo by Josh Cotton
Closed
Rimrock overlook area in the Allegheny National Forest has been closed “due to the lapse in federal
government funding,” according to a sign posted at the gate. “The facility will reopen once Congress
restores funding.”


(Excerpt) Read more at timesobserver.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: barrycades; govtshutdown; nationalparks; openairmemorials
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1 posted on 10/04/2013 11:11:51 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Rodamala

Like they can really stop someone from using the rest of the forest.


2 posted on 10/04/2013 11:13:46 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: Rodamala

Anyone with a complaint about this should call 1-800-318-2596 (1-800-F**KYO) to complain.


3 posted on 10/04/2013 11:15:08 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: Rodamala
Screw em!
Ohiopyle State park is open.


4 posted on 10/04/2013 11:18:20 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Rodamala
So is Cape Canaveral Seashore....

..utterly ridiculous...what are they going to do if you're caught walking on the beach?

5 posted on 10/04/2013 11:19:12 AM PDT by Guenevere (....)
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To: Rodamala
Here's something from a blog written by someone who actually runs campgrounds/concessions at federal parks (not sure if he has the contract for Allegheny, though).

From our shutdown order:

Congress has not provided appropriations for fiscal year 2014.  Pursuant to applicable legal requirements in the Antideficiency Act and Attorney General opinions addressing agency operations in the absence of appropriations, the Forest Service is unable to administer federally-owned recreation facilities.  Consequently these facilities will be shut down and posted accordingly with signs provided, with gates locked where they exist, restrooms locked, and water systems shut down.   Visitors in occupied sites would be given 48 hours to vacate, with the area shut down as the last visitor leaves, not to exceed 48 hours.

In other words, we pay all the bills, run the parks in an independent manner, have no USFS people stationed in the parks, but we have to shut down because the Forest Service can no longer "administer" the facilities.  Huh?  What day-to-day administration is necessary.  Remember that the USFS itself did not think their presence was necessary, originally confirming on Tuesday that we would stay open as we had in all past shutdowns.

We often go weeks and months in these facilities without ever seeing a USFS manager.  The USFS considers it so important to have staff available to "administer" these facilities that none of their recreation personnel work on weekends or on holidays, by far and away the busiest and most difficult times in these facilities.

PS-  I see the part about the Attorney General.  Did Eric Holder decide to close us?  Doesn't he know that poor and minorities disproportionately use public vs. private recreation?  Isn't that a disparate impact issue in closing us?

First Explanation in Writing As To Why USFS Is Closing Privately-Funded Parks. Coyote Blog (Dispatches from a Small Business), Warren Meyer, October 3, 2013.
6 posted on 10/04/2013 11:19:27 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Rodamala

Obama trying to defund the fall foliage LOL


7 posted on 10/04/2013 11:19:30 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: riverrunner

So... if they are blocking off the access to the parking lot, I suppose that you can park at the gate and walk in... but what if I am in a wheelchair? ADA lawsuit?


8 posted on 10/04/2013 11:20:00 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Rodamala

Harry made the Senate dems vote down the funds to open it yesterday.

Story didn’t mention that of course LOL!


9 posted on 10/04/2013 11:20:11 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Rodamala
The forest is closed? The whole forest? Is closed? It reminds me of "My Cousin Vinny:"
...the only store you could buy a new suit in has got the flu. Got that? The whole store got the flu...
10 posted on 10/04/2013 11:22:00 AM PDT by tnlibertarian (Shut 'er down and leave it.)
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To: mrsmith

Resist!

11 posted on 10/04/2013 11:25:05 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: 1rudeboy
According to wiki;

"The Antideficiency Act (ADA), Pub.L. 97–258, 96 Stat. 923, is legislation enacted by the United States Congress to prevent the incurring of obligations or the making of expenditures (outlays) in excess of amounts available in appropriations or funds. The law was initially enacted in 1884, with major amendments occurring in 1950 (64 Stat. 765) and 1982 (96 Stat. 923). It is now codified at 31 U.S.C. § 1341. The ADA prohibits the federal government from entering into a contract that is not "fully funded" because doing so would obligate the government in the absence of an appropriation adequate to the needs of the contract. This Act of Congress is sometimes known as Section 3679 of the Revised Statutes, as amended."

AND

"and Attorney General opinions ...

are combined to put up a barrier.

Thus;

an opinion and a fear of assuming more obligation is what is shutting these parks down.


From what I see and understand ... no LAW, no enforceable law ... is in play.


GO

TO

THE

PARK, y'all ...

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

12 posted on 10/04/2013 11:33:56 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Rodamala

Do the bears know this?


13 posted on 10/04/2013 11:36:46 AM PDT by Phillyred
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To: Phillyred

We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in the national forests, we shall fight on the national memorials, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our constitution, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender!


14 posted on 10/04/2013 11:39:34 AM PDT by Phillyred
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To: knarf

If the employees are not allowed to do work, who locked the gate?


15 posted on 10/04/2013 11:42:37 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: Phillyred

Do Pennsylvanians know this(the ones not from Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and Scranton)? Could be some trouble.


16 posted on 10/04/2013 11:44:13 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: AppyPappy
anf if WE take them down, who'll put 'em back up again?

What if a family were to drive up to a gate, pull the barriers aside ... and not enter ... but picnic outside on the entrance ... would someone come along and put the barrier back up ?

17 posted on 10/04/2013 11:53:28 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: 1rudeboy
In other words, we pay all the bills, run the parks in an independent manner, have no USFS people stationed in the parks, but we have to shut down because the Forest Service can no longer "administer" the facilities.

It's worse than that. The company that runs the campgrounds for the National Parks and Forests in the SW reports being forced to foot the bill for the Barrycades that threaten to put them out of business.

18 posted on 10/04/2013 11:56:42 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: Rodamala

Go open any gate near enough to you and encourage others to do the same.


19 posted on 10/04/2013 12:05:59 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Guenevere

.utterly ridiculous...what are they going to do if you’re caught walking on the beach?

Who is going to catch you? Their shut down right?


20 posted on 10/04/2013 12:19:36 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Rodamala

Childish.

I’d just walk in.

Might go to Pinnacles or Point Reyes this weekend.


21 posted on 10/04/2013 2:06:34 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: 1rudeboy
What will really piss me off is to find that these Forest “Service” people are getting paid when the parks are closed.
Then it will be apparent to all that these closures are just another example of The feckin _resident’s, in the White Crib, making us miserable with his pettiness. He must GO!
22 posted on 10/04/2013 2:34:19 PM PDT by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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To: Rodamala

Hoky Smokes! My home town. I visited Rimrock many many times as a lad. It’s wierd what is going on in that little town. It has morphed into a bohemian enclave (more or less). Smart bohemians, Warren is a gorgeous town with beautiful scenery.


23 posted on 10/04/2013 4:24:28 PM PDT by lafroste
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To: Rodamala

24 posted on 10/04/2013 4:25:57 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Jack Black
I asked in the office this afternoon if anyone had bolt cutters. I'd hate to go to jail and have them just swing the gate closed and put a new lock on it... I am thinking maybe a chain around the posts in the ground.

Back home there is a road called White Bridge Road... there is a steel bridge on the road a small truss bridge. Well back about 10 years ago, for mischief night, somebody showed up and painted the bridge... white. They did a thorough job, too... All the steel was coated... a lot of drools and such, but they painted the whole thing... the bridge as of 3 years ago was slated for replacement, but everyone in tbe neighborhood saw there was nothing wrong with it... and so as far as I know the 2 million dollar bridge replacement was on hold. If anything, it could use a fresh coat of paint... haven't been there recently... google white bridge road in quakertown, nj...

25 posted on 10/04/2013 4:36:40 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Rodamala
Blue Ridge hotel defies Park Service shutdown (Updated @ #27 and #41)
26 posted on 10/04/2013 5:05:22 PM PDT by Gritty (We are quickly running out of "boxes"...)
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To: riverrunner; sheikdetailfeather; mylife; 1rudeboy; mrsmith; tnlibertarian; Jack Black; knarf; ...
[***VANITY UPDATE***]

Well loose lips sink ships, but here goes. I took a ride up to the Kinzua Dam/Rimrock/Jakes Rocks and here is what I found:

There was a plastic Barrycade at the dam parking lot with the expected "Closed until further notice" sign. There were many Fall Foliage peepers there that had just drove around the stupid little plastic sawhorse. Motorcycles and cars in the lot, families out walking onto the dam and along the path on the side of the road. Life goes on.

At Jakes Rocks the gate was closed with the sign about congress' impass... and many cars parked at the locked gate, as people just ignored the gate and sign and walked in.

Same deal at Rimrock, just like the picture I posted from the paper.

Well, I made the trip for a reason, this situation begged for a tad of civil disobedience, and I suppose there is comfort knowing everyone parked at these locations were similarly saying "FUBO".

Well, I had brought along with me some tape and some printouts of various sizes of these two signs:

You know where this is going...

So, yeah, little vandal, anarchist, TEA party extremist me taped 8-1/2"x11" copies of those 2 pictures right on the gates for all to see, next to the "Closed" signage. At Rimrock there were 2 pickups parked there at the locked metal gate, so I took the last 2 0bama ones that I had printed out as 3"x5" postcards and put them under the wiperblades facing the driver.

I feel petty, but good in a way. I hope people at least take a millisecond and think about what is going on in this country. I wish I took pictures to upload, but didn't have my camera with me.

Driving back to town, I saw the gate for the consession area near the boat launch was Barrycaded (another locked metal pemanent gate) with a "Congressional Impass" sign as well, but I had run out of printouts at that point.

I hope more people out there act out. It's time. If this goes another week, boltcutters may have to be applied to these locks... the leaves are just really spectacular at these overlooks... lots of reds and oranges and yellows, still mixed in with the green.

27 posted on 10/05/2013 11:27:28 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Rodamala

Thanks for the update.
I have always blown off closed trail signs.

Usually the worst you find is some park employees getting naked and smoking doobies down there.

Heh! What are they gonna do when you have the goods on them?!! LOL


28 posted on 10/05/2013 11:35:30 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Rodamala

By the way, Hat tip.


29 posted on 10/05/2013 11:37:55 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Rodamala

I saw the gate for the consession area near the boat launch was Barrycaded.. At Wolfes’ run? I thought Wolfes Run Marina was private ?


30 posted on 10/05/2013 11:45:00 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Rodamala

I feel petty,...JEEZ, don’t. Kinzua is almost impossible to fish but it sure is fun to run two 175 hp Mercury’s up to NY and back down down again. Don’t know if that’s allowed since 1977 or so.


31 posted on 10/05/2013 11:50:43 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Safetgiver; mylife
Yes the marina at Wolf's Run was closed... but I don't know the season that it is open, it may have been scheduled to close... There is a permanent gate there that was closed (to the marina), but no signage. The concession area that is across Rt 62 (south of the Marina) was gated closed, with a sign. I saw one boat out on the reservoir, a guy fishing... No idea how he launched, or when the Littoral Combat Ships of the 7th Allegheny Fleet will be deployed to blow that dissident out of the water.
32 posted on 10/05/2013 12:07:51 PM PDT by Rodamala
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No idea how he launched, or when the Littoral Combat Ships of the 7th Allegheny Fleet will be deployed to blow that dissident out of the water.

Thanks for the larf! ☺

33 posted on 10/05/2013 12:47:14 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife; Safetgiver
update... ok so i made up more handbills and went back... Rimrock was packed and people parking out on 62. Same at Jakes Rocks. There were cars at the gate at Kinzua Beach too this time (across from the also closed marina.

Every car got a handbill... and there was a real specific joy putting one on the car with the Obama/Biden 2012 bumper sticker. There was a poor woman that just showed up with 3 10-12 year old girls and when they saw me placing these little handbills I heard them saying something worried like, "He's giving out tickets", and they were getting back in their car and so I handed one to the woman and said "This land is your land, this land is my land". A family of Indians (dots not feathers) had pulled up too and they were very confused by the gate. 2 elederly gentlemen were waiting for their wives to come back and they asked me for a few more handbills... they were in their 70's and fairly disgusted.

Here are a couple thumbnail pictures, linked to larger versions:

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34 posted on 10/05/2013 4:47:35 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Rodamala

Those are AWESOME!


35 posted on 10/05/2013 4:53:03 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (IRS = Internal Revenge Service)
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To: Rodamala

You Sir, are a patriot!


36 posted on 10/05/2013 5:34:51 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Rodamala

OUTSTANDING!!!!!


37 posted on 10/07/2013 12:03:13 AM PDT by Conservative4Ever (A pox on the House of Apple and the ios7 horse they rode in on.)
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To: Rodamala

38 posted on 10/07/2013 12:25:22 AM PDT by Daffynition (*In memory of FReeper Blackie. God rest his *Hooligan* soul.*)
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To: riverrunner
"Like they can really stop someone from using the rest of the forest."


39 posted on 10/07/2013 12:31:52 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Rodamala

EXCELLENT DUDE!


40 posted on 10/07/2013 1:46:36 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: AppyPappy

employees were being recalled from furlough to set up barry-cades.

Imgagine how many feds its going to take to barricade the entire Grand Canyon. and the federal highway system.

now. when are the Chicago grifters going to be evicted from the WH? federal property!


41 posted on 10/07/2013 1:51:00 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Rodamala

Taxman Bravo Zulu!


42 posted on 10/13/2013 9:50:17 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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