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In Texas, some federal employees still hailing Ted Cruz _ even as they start missing paychecks
Minneapolis Star-Tribune ^ | October 5, 2013 | WILL WEISSERT

Posted on 10/05/2013 4:54:31 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

HOUSTON — Thanks to Texas' new senator, Dale Huls is out of a job - at least for now. Yet Huls has never been prouder that he voted for him.

"Without Ted Cruz this doesn't happen," said Huls, a NASA systems engineer who was among roughly 3,000 federal employees furloughed from Houston's Johnson Space Center after tea party Republicans triggered the partial government shutdown.

"This is something Americans have to get used to," said Huls. "Even if it affects your livelihood, you've got to stand up."

Perhaps more than anywhere else, Texas embodies the factors behind the shutdown: big government and the rebellion against it.

The state is one of the richest beneficiaries of federal spending, with its sprawling military bases, Gulf Coast seaports, and nearly 2,000-mile border with Mexico, which help account for more than 131,500 full-time federal employees. Only California, Virginia and the District of Columbia have more.

Yet Cruz's firebrand opposition to the nation's new entitlement program - the Affordable Care Act — and his campaign to stop government growth at all costs were also born here, and resonate deeply with many conservatives. In Houston, home to thousands of federal workers and to Cruz himself, the shutdown has brought the love/hate relationship with government into plain view.

Huls said he doesn't believe his job is a waste of money: "The public doesn't think much of federal workers these days, but we're people with car payments just like everyone else."

Still, he said of Cruz, "He's fighting for what he believes in and I'm taking a side."

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; US: California; US: District of Columbia; US: Texas; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: abortion; california; cruz; dalehuls; deathpanels; districtofcolumbia; healthcare; nasa; obamacare; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills; sencruz; shutdown; tedcruz; texas; virginia; zerocare

1 posted on 10/05/2013 4:54:31 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Good people, fear not, God will provide. Resist, endure persevere


2 posted on 10/05/2013 4:55:48 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

They are ALL going to get paid anyway....they are just getting PAID TIME OFF!!


3 posted on 10/05/2013 4:56:16 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

News flash WILL WEISSERT. Ted Cruz didn’t shut the selectedly painful parts of the federal government down. Barry and Harry did it.


4 posted on 10/05/2013 4:58:09 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (What's the frequency, Kenneth?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This man is on paid vacation as are all of the federal employees that are out of work right now. Both dims and republicans are going to vote to pay them when this is over. mcconnell, boehner and reid have said so.


5 posted on 10/05/2013 4:58:17 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: LibLieSlayer; All
...."But I don't consider myself a victim," Huls said. "I'm in this fight too and this is my role."...
6 posted on 10/05/2013 5:01:17 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

They hail him because they realize how much Obamacare will suck out of their wallets if he does go back to work. Speaking of that, a good friend of mine told me that her employer notified her that her insurance premiums will TRIPLE come January. She also told me that her taxes were higher last year than they ever had been despite her making less money. Same deal for me. The man is a complete liar in every way. When a man has to lie about being straight everyday to his own wife I guess its just standard operating protocol.


7 posted on 10/05/2013 5:02:15 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It’s amazing to me how much the government has grown and how many people the taxpayers have to support. None of this is constitutional, but I guess that doesn’t matter anymore.


8 posted on 10/05/2013 5:02:59 AM PDT by gattaca ("Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

if federal employee care about their long term future, they should care about the state of their bosses finance.


9 posted on 10/05/2013 5:05:02 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Methinks that the Minneapolis Star-Tribune cannot believe that Texans would believe in the US Constitution and limited government. Horrors, it must be Halloween time!


10 posted on 10/05/2013 5:06:31 AM PDT by SES1066 (To expect courteous government is insanity!)
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To: SES1066
Methinks that the Minneapolis Star-Tribune cannot believe that Texans would believe in the US Constitution and limited government. Horrors, it must be Halloween time!

"........Pedro Rivera, a space center programs specialist who is working on the Orion capsule the U.S. hopes to send to Mars, said he too is willing to accept being furloughed even if the shutdown means a delay in Orion's scheduled test launch next year.

"I think it's a small price to pay for the future generations," said Rivera, who says he considers the new health care law un-American."........................

11 posted on 10/05/2013 5:11:24 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Ann Archy

I’m a federal employee and I’m WORKING and not getting paid.

,,,and I WHOLEHEARTEDLY support Ted Cruz.

RLTW


12 posted on 10/05/2013 5:12:43 AM PDT by military cop (I carry a .45....cause they don't make a .46....)
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To: yldstrk
Yes ... and remember we've all read, understood or even stated ... there IS a hard time coming and we'll all have to ____________ .

I respect Dale Huls more than I can say.

13 posted on 10/05/2013 5:13:10 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Check back with this fellow in 6 weeks if he is still not getting a check, not that that will happen.


14 posted on 10/05/2013 5:14:14 AM PDT by sakic
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Note the subtle implication that Texas is prosperous because of government handouts.

1. Its hardly the reason that Texas is creating jobs and growing in spite of the Obama economy.

2. The Feds HAVE NO MONEY. Whatever is “given” to Texas has probably been TAKEN from Texas taxpayers. And military spending is one of the few things that are necessary for a free nation. Military bases and NASA, are a wee bit more important than Solyndra, turtle tunnels, PBS, robotic squirrels, and the welfare safety hammock.


15 posted on 10/05/2013 5:21:01 AM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; xzins

IIRC Federal employees are paid once a month on the last day of the month. Everyone has promised that they will receive back pay when this is over, so unless this shutdown extends to after Halloween, no Federal employee will lose a dime.

Obama has ordered everyone to make this shutdown as painful as possible to the taxpayers, but this will probably have no effect at all on all these “poor” Government employees.


16 posted on 10/05/2013 5:22:28 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

NO ONE in the federal service has missed a paycheck. Checks are sent the 15th and end of month, right?


17 posted on 10/05/2013 5:23:13 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: military cop

Ditto. Exempt employee here and fully supporting the cause.


18 posted on 10/05/2013 5:23:51 AM PDT by XRdsRev (New Jersey - Crossroads of the American Revolution)
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To: sakic
Check back with this fellow in 6 weeks if he is still not getting a check, not that that will happen

He address that possibility in the article and is prepared to hold out.

19 posted on 10/05/2013 5:24:57 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: CodeToad
NO ONE in the federal service has missed a paycheck. Checks are sent the 15th and end of month, right?

I'm sure that addition to the article title "_ even as they start missing paychecks" was an editorial decision by the paper.

20 posted on 10/05/2013 5:27:29 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: CodeToad

Military is 1st and 15th. Many civilian fed jobs are paid every two weeks.


21 posted on 10/05/2013 5:31:30 AM PDT by Toadman (To anger a Conservative, tell a lie. To anger a liberal, tell the truth.)
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To: Ann Archy

No, not all of us will be repaid. I work At Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville as a contractor. I work on-base, as my company runs the entire calibration lab.

I am sitting at home burning my vacation time so that I don’t lose money. 99% sure that our salaries won’t be repaid after the government goes back to work. There are likely more contractors than civil servants at MSFC. All of us will lose pay.

I support Cruz and the efforts shut down Obamacare. And it is costing me, literally.


22 posted on 10/05/2013 5:34:41 AM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Cruz supporters tend to make a distinction between government workers and government. The former can be worthwhile; the latter is taking on too much and must be pruned to its essential functions.”

This is a reasonably statement and a stance I wished the more extreme (anarchists actually - I said it long before the Dems started using it) elements here on FR that see all federal workers as “leech’s” or worse; regardless of their actual worth. That type of rhetoric gets really old...and for those that know better by REAL knowledge and EXPERIENCE, it is deeply offensive.

The concept that government needs to be pruned to its essential elements is reasonable and correct when uttered by rational persons that don’t have some “federal employee class envy.” The federal government and attendant burearacracy has grown entirely beyond what is required and become to pervasive in our great country - and “self sustaining structure without a real function except to exist.” Some functions are essential, but many are best phased out over time. However, this is also true at the State and Local level.

I am starting to view Ted Cruz himself as a “Revolutionary”, not and “Anarchist”....although “some” (no the majority) that flock to him are just anarchists. Then Senator himself is OK.


23 posted on 10/05/2013 5:41:31 AM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“I’m sure that addition to the article title “_ even as they start missing paychecks” was an editorial decision by the paper.”

Those employees that have been told to stay home, will not receive any paychecks until the shutdown ends. However, they will take up a Bill today in the House (already with the endorsement of Mr. Obama and Mr. Reid) that will guarantee “backpay” for all idled federal workers. All will eventually be paid....just delay in getting it.


24 posted on 10/05/2013 5:45:04 AM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Bryan24

GOD BLESS YOU, and tell your DEMOCRAT friends and relatives this is all about Obama’s POWER GRAB!


25 posted on 10/05/2013 5:48:13 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Sola Veritas

It is good to have these Americans speak up for Cruz and denounce Obamacare and intrusive government.

The union leaders quoted in the article don’t.


26 posted on 10/05/2013 5:49:06 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The Government shutdown shakedown has only been in effect from Oct 1-4...a total of four days.

Government employees receive their pay every two weeks. Hence no one has missed a paycheck yet.

If they were paid 100% last Friday (Sep 27 -for pay period Sep 8-21), then the next pay on Oct 11 would only reflect 6 days of pay (vs 10 days).

If their payday was this Fri Oct 4...then they would have received a full 10 days of pay (reflecting pay period of Sep 16-29.

Perhaps there is fear of the uncertain future. But these headlines of missing paydays are misleading, perhaps to influence the publics' blame game.

27 posted on 10/05/2013 5:50:51 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: P-Marlowe

I think that like the military they can opt for a monthly or a twice monthly paycheck but I’m not sure.

My sense is that Obama Inc. wants to make people mad at the GOP so he’ll do all he can to make everyone hurt that he can.

He’s an evil man. Fast and Furious and Benghazi prove that.


28 posted on 10/05/2013 5:51:44 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Kandy Atz
Whatever is “given” to Texas has probably been TAKEN from Texas taxpayers.

Yes, Texas is a net contributor to the federal budget:

Federal taxation and spending by state

29 posted on 10/05/2013 5:54:00 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: SES1066

Remember...this is the Minneapolis RED-Star-Tribune. Its slant is ultra-liberal. Most of the rag’s adherents and scribblers simply can’t believe that less government might be good government. For these statists, biggers and more oppressive government is ALWAYS!!! a good thing. In their minds it’s: “why don’t you want government to do this wonderful thing for you?” They are truly stunned when anybody for any reason resists government intervention in what should be a private matter.


30 posted on 10/05/2013 6:08:35 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: CodeToad

Right. Pretty much everyone should still be due pay from the last pay period of Fiscal Year 13.

So anyone who is broke now would have been broke regardless of the shutdown.

Even exempts like me aren’t really working without pay. If the shutdown lasts longer than the date that we would have been paid for the first pay period of FY 14 (about 3 weeks from now) then we would have been working without pay. If it ends before then, we probably will be paid normally (provided that all timekeeping gets entered in time).


31 posted on 10/05/2013 6:18:51 AM PDT by XRdsRev (New Jersey - Crossroads of the American Revolution)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I was furloughed on Tuesday, as were all my division coworkers except for 7. During our close out, where we had 4 hours to submit reports, respond to emails, etc my bleeding heart coworkers could not wait to gloat in my face, so certain that I would at last “see the light” and be angry with my conservative leaders. Afterall, Texas is not an expansion state, and will be using the federal marketplace instead of setting up its own, like some of the more progressive states. So I’m supposed to be ashamed because my state is so stingy.

I let them know I welcome the shutdown. I’m tired of this man draining our funds while his family doesn’t have the two brain cells it takes to be discreet about their own spending. I’m not completely confident that we’ll get back pay, but if we don’t I’ll be fine, because I have funds and that’s what conservatives do, we don’t live beyond what we make and we save with the same conviction that we use to pay bills. And if I have to take my friend’s offer to do some seasonal work for her, I will because we also don’t whine about how life sucks and someone owes us.

In the meantime, let the marketplace roll, and let it fall on its chaotic ass. And may the libtard public finally see what a scam this all is.


32 posted on 10/05/2013 6:24:07 AM PDT by Badabing Badablonde (New to the internet? CLICK HERE)
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To: Badabing Badablonde
.....And may the libtard public finally see what a scam this all is.

BUMP!

33 posted on 10/05/2013 6:27:05 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

nothing perplexes a lib more than a unselfish person acting in principle it absolutely drives them nuts


34 posted on 10/05/2013 6:35:44 AM PDT by jneesy (rough seas make skillful sailors)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I say no back pay. How can the federal government be obligated to provide back pay?


35 posted on 10/05/2013 6:54:33 AM PDT by impimp
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To: Sola Veritas

That is the most sensible post I have read since this shutdown started. Thank you for saying what I have been thinking.


36 posted on 10/05/2013 6:58:21 AM PDT by silly.kerry.trix.are.for.kids
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Thanks to Texas' new senator, Dale Huls is out of a job - at least for now.

Love how Cruz gets blamed for everything.

37 posted on 10/05/2013 7:11:56 AM PDT by Alissa
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This is hilarious. The press goes down to Texas to get people to bad-mouth their senator and they can’t even get federal employees to bad-mouth him! lol. The comments on The Minneapolis Leftist rag are priceless. They hate Texas with a passion because most in that city resent people who want to be free.


38 posted on 10/05/2013 7:36:55 AM PDT by MNnice
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.....The comments on The Minneapolis Leftist rag are priceless. They hate Texas with a passion because most in that city resent people who want to be free.

I noticed. What those dunces "think" reflects government education.

39 posted on 10/05/2013 7:41:55 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Cruz didn't create this mess. He's trying to help get us out of it.

Obama 'built it'.


40 posted on 10/05/2013 7:49:16 AM PDT by 444Flyer (How long O LORD?)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Cincinatus' Wife.
Perhaps more than anywhere else, Texas embodies the factors behind the shutdown: big government and the rebellion against it. The state is one of the richest beneficiaries of federal spending, with its sprawling military bases, Gulf Coast seaports, and nearly 2,000-mile border with Mexico, which help account for more than 131,500 full-time federal employees. Only California, Virginia and the District of Columbia have more.

41 posted on 10/05/2013 10:08:11 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It’s called “principle,” something the Commie Red Star would know nothing about.


42 posted on 10/05/2013 10:09:22 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (When your policy is to rob Peter to pay Paul, you can be certain of the enthusiastic support of Paul)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It’s called “principle,” something the Commie Red Star would know nothing about.


43 posted on 10/05/2013 10:09:38 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (When your policy is to rob Peter to pay Paul, you can be certain of the enthusiastic support of Paul)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What someone says now often bears no resemblance to future reality, especially when cash gets tight.


44 posted on 10/06/2013 9:40:18 PM PDT by sakic
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To: Ann Archy
They are ALL going to get paid anyway....they are just getting PAID TIME OFF!!

You're the same on every thread with this.

Give it a rest.

When you are talking this large a population of people, that includes engineers, doctors and nurses who care for our combat wounded, teachers on bases who pour their hearts into their work for the parents of our deployed military, the low paid Navy shipyard worker, and mechanic laboring on an Air Force flight line fixing aircraft (up to 80% of maintenance at some Air Force bases are now civilians).

Furthermore, these folks are not "on vacation." They cannot go anywhere because they were told to standby for a call back, which occurred. They were/are not getting paid now, and they are prohibited from taking any other jobs due to regulations.

The are many slugs in the Federal government, especially in agencies like the Dept of Education and Health and Human Services. But a great many work for agencies like the FBI and DoD - and they WORK for this nation, they are not taking Food Stamps or SS Disability.

Dial it back. There is plenty of outrage to go around, the majority of these folks don't deserve it.

45 posted on 10/07/2013 3:37:08 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

What are you talking about....I NEVER said they were going on vacation....look at what you pasted....I said PAID TIME OFF. And I’m sorry I don’t feel as magnanimous as you do about Govt. employees....witness now the THUGGERY of the NPS.


46 posted on 10/07/2013 3:58:31 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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