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Obamacare: It only gets worse from here
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/oct/05/obamacare-it-only-gets-worse-from-here/ ^ | October 5, 2013 | Editorial Board

Posted on 10/05/2013 9:03:50 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Media coverage of last week’s opening of online exchanges where people can sign up for health insurance under the Affordable Care Act was dominated by a focus on technical glitches and sign-up hassles. Since they were widely predicted, this led to a ho-hum quality in some reporting. Move along. There’s nothing to see here.

But those who looked a little deeper found vast sticker shock.

Locally, the San Diego Community College District quietly implemented a new rule this summer that puts a hard cap of 25 hours a week on adjunct faculty, short-term nonclassified employees and student workers. On Friday, the district said 809 employees were affected.

Nevertheless, the president continues to depict all criticism of his signature program as simply wrong, as he told Telemundo network last month. We hope Obama gets over his denial before long. If he doesn’t, the wreckage from Obamacare’s perverse incentives will be immense.

(Excerpt) Read more at utsandiego.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; aca; deathpanels; democrats; exchanges; failure; obamacare; rinocare; socialism; zerocare
Train wreck.
1 posted on 10/05/2013 9:03:50 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Train wreck.

Destroying everything in it's path.

2 posted on 10/05/2013 9:06:53 PM PDT by scripter
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; alphadog; infool7; Heart-Rest; HoosierDammit; red irish; fastrock; ...
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3 posted on 10/05/2013 9:10:34 PM PDT by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

And this is why the conservative idea in the House of funding government one department at a time with the exception of ObamaCare is a winning one. Every continuing resolution for funding that the House passes keeps the spotlight on the gorilla in the room, keeps the liberal Senators reiterating their vocal support of ObamaCare, and allows the ObamaCare monstrosity a little more time as it marches towards self-implosion. Brilliant.


4 posted on 10/05/2013 9:15:47 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

If we’re not in one now, Obamacare will put us in a Depression.


5 posted on 10/05/2013 9:23:45 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
insurance is usually vastly more expensive for married couples where both spouses work than it would be if they got divorced, some will get divorced. The same cost factor will lead some couples to decide not to marry.

The more I learn about the affects of this law the worse it gets. This thing appears to be designed to destroy our entire culture.

6 posted on 10/05/2013 9:27:19 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: laplata

If we’re not in one now, Obamacare will put us in a Depression.

I don’t know about you, but Ive been mentally depressed for the last five years and economically depressed for almost as long. And as I look around me it’s obvious that I am not alone.


7 posted on 10/05/2013 9:48:35 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Mastador1

You’re right. And it’s going to get worse.


8 posted on 10/05/2013 9:51:37 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Mastador1

“I don’t know about you, but Ive been mentally depressed for the last five years and economically depressed for almost as long. And as I look around me it’s obvious that I am not alone.

You’re not.


9 posted on 10/05/2013 9:52:20 PM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

McAffee’s comments about how vulnerable the entire system is to hacking are chilling - says anyone can set up a phony website claiming to sell insurance under Obamacare and collect all sorts of personal intimate information allowing later identity theft and potentially the theft of millions from bank and investment accounts - when that starts and gets traced back to the introduction of a shoddy and dangerous system to satisfy the ego of this putz in the White House, it should be the end......


10 posted on 10/05/2013 10:00:50 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: narses

Compliance with Obamacare violates Doctor Patient Confidentiality.

Obamacare is in violation of the Doctors Hippocratic Oath as follows:

” - - - All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal. - - - “

Another line of legal reasoning involves comparing Obamacare to all the do’s and don’ts the Federal Government has put into Law about our “privacy rights” such as HIPPA, questions that future employers can and cannot ask at one’s job interview, etc.

A criminal at arrest time has the “right to remain silent” which is not an option for any of us - - - , as our Doctors have been forced by the damn Federal Government to betray us over our very loud protests.

Class Action Law Suit anyone?

Might be something for Senators Cruz and Lee to file on our behalf ?!


11 posted on 10/05/2013 10:03:41 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Marxist Obama'care' Insurance violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Bshaw

You are not alone. Barely hanging on and worrying about even being able to afford meat among other things takes it’s toll.


12 posted on 10/06/2013 12:06:19 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I'm waiting to see how the Feds handle the cheapest policies with 30% to 40% deductibles.

What if someone can't afford the out-of-pocket expenses?

Will he be denied treatment?

I doubt it - which leads to the next question, who is going to pay for that guy's health care?

And what if some young healthy person decides to pay the yearly “tax” instead of buying insurance, but then gets injured or ill?

True, he cannot be “refused” insurance because of a pre-existing condition.

But, starting in 2015, he can only buy insurance during a roughly 10 week period at the end of year.

How can he get medical treatment if he has to wait months to purchase insurance?

The Senate Budget Committee has estimated the ten year cost of ObamaCare at $2.6 trillion.

If we had just allocated an extra $260 billion a year to Medicaid, we would have had a better and cheaper national health program than ObamaCare.

13 posted on 10/06/2013 12:36:58 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

You don’t hear much about John Roberts, who put us in this mess.


14 posted on 10/06/2013 3:24:20 AM PDT by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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To: duckman
He is a big let down.
the SCOTUS are all Pompous asses who thinks their crap don't stink.
15 posted on 10/06/2013 4:07:58 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: duckman
You don’t hear much about John Roberts, who put us in this mess.

My guess is that he's in the Witness Protection Program.

16 posted on 10/06/2013 4:18:56 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: scripter

CommieCare is DESIGNED to DESTROY Health Care as it was.....the LEFT want TOTAL CONTROL of EVERYTHING!!!!


17 posted on 10/06/2013 4:30:33 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The really great thing about KommieKare is you don’t have to actually buy it until you’re really ill and really need health insurance! At that point, who cares what it costs! In the mean time, just use the ER for free like all the illegal aliens do.

Just accept that theoretically you’ll be fined. But who cares? The fines for not having insurance are peanuts and Congress forbids the IRS from collecting the fines other than subtracting them from any refund you might get. So just make sure you never get a refund. Besides, if you don’t file taxes you don’t have to pay the fines anyway, and several groups are exempted from buying KommieKare based on religious grounds too, plus there are at least two dozen hardship grounds for not paying the fines as well.

KommieKare is a socialist’s wet dream come true: everyone gets everything for free and no one ever has to work to get it!


18 posted on 10/06/2013 5:02:55 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: zeestephen
Will he be denied treatment? I doubt it - which leads to the next question, who is going to pay for that guy's health care?

You, sucka.

19 posted on 10/06/2013 5:06:04 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Mastador1; Bshaw
If we’re not in one now, Obamacare will put us in a Depression.

I don’t know about you, but Ive been mentally depressed for the last five years and economically depressed for almost as long. And as I look around me it’s obvious that I am not alone.


Count me in with yuns too. Come to think of it, I've read that suicides have replaced auto accidents as the biggest cause of unnatural deaths in this country. I'm sure drug use and alcohol abuse has risen too. My gradeschool buddy just got a new job installing breathilizers in cars for the State of West Virginia and already he has over 100 court mandated installs to do already. I keep thinking about that woman who drove through the barricades in DC and that guy who set himself on fire.
20 posted on 10/06/2013 10:03:35 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (L.C. Greenwood - Pittsburgh Steeler - RIP (1946-2013))
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To: autumnraine
You are not alone. Barely hanging on and worrying about even being able to afford meat among other things takes it’s toll.

We've talked about this before but I'm still there with you. At least I found something part-time but I still have to care for Mom and it is tight here. I know the Carter years were a nightmare but they were easy compared to now.
21 posted on 10/06/2013 10:09:41 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (L.C. Greenwood - Pittsburgh Steeler - RIP (1946-2013))
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To: duckman; OldPossum

I still believe that Roberts was either bought off or the Obama and/or Clinton Machine has some goods on him.


22 posted on 10/06/2013 10:11:11 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (L.C. Greenwood - Pittsburgh Steeler - RIP (1946-2013))
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To: zeestephen

“If we had just allocated an extra $260 billion a year to Medicaid, we would have had a better and cheaper national health program than ObamaCare.”
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If we had kept what we had and CUT medicaid five dollars we would have had something FAR BETTER AND CHEAPER than Obamacare. In fact someone would have to work long and hard to attempt to come up with anything WORSE than Obamacare.


23 posted on 10/06/2013 11:43:18 AM PDT by RipSawyer (The TREE currently falling on you actually IS worse than a Bush.)
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AN OBAMACARE CUSTOMER VENTS "The monthly healthcare rate before Obamacare was $88. With Obamacare it is $277----more than three times as much as ----an increase of $2,268 per year. I have not been able to translate an increase of $2,268 into a promised reduction of $2,400....not with a swing of $4,668 per year." (Excerpt) dispatch.com ...

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HERE'S ANOTHER DISSATISFIED OBAMACARE CUSTOMER

<><> “The plan that Congress is considering will provide health insurance to millions of Americans who don’t have it and control costs for millions more who do.” — Teamsters President Jimmy Hoffa, calling for Congress to pass ObamaCare, March 16, 2010

<><> “Right now, unless you and the Obama administration enact an equitable fix, the ACA will shatter not only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the 40-hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class.”— Hoffa in a July 2013 letter to Sen. Harry Reid and Rep. Nancy Pelosi, the top Senate and House Democrats.

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BAIT AND SWITCH LAWS---WIKI EXCERPT--Bait-and-switch is a form of fraud commonly used in retail sales but also employed in other contexts......even in politics.

First, customers are "baited" by sellers advertising products or services at a low price, but when customers visit the store, they discover that the advertised goods are not available, or the customers are pressured by sales people to consider similar, but higher priced items ("switching").

The intent of the bait-and-switch tactic is to encourage purchases of substituted goods, making consumers satisfied with the available stock offered, as an alternative to a disappointment or inconvenience of acquiring no goods (or bait) at all, and reckoning on a seemingly partial recovery of sunk costs expended trying to obtain the bait. It suggests that the seller will not show the original product or service advertised but instead will demonstrate a more expensive product or a similar product with a higher margin.

In the United States, courts have held that the purveyor using a bait-and-switch operation may be subject to a lawsuit by customers for false advertising, and can be sued for trademark infringement by competing manufacturers, retailers, and others who profit from the sale of the product used as bait. However, no cause of action will exist if the purveyor is capable of actually selling the goods advertised, but aggressively pushes a competing product.

Likewise, advertising a sale while intending to stock a limited amount of, and thereby sell out, a loss-leading item advertised is legal in the United States. The purveyor can escape liability if they make clear in their advertisements that quantities of items for which a sale is offered are limited, or by offering a rain check on sold-out items.

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BAIT AND SWITCH IN POLITICS In lawmaking, "caption bills" that propose minor changes in law with simplistic titles (the bait) are introduced to the legislature with the ultimate objective of substantially changing the wording (the switch) at a later date in order to try to smooth the passage of a controversial or major amendment.

Rule changes are also proposed (the bait) to meet legal requirements for public notice and mandated public hearings, then different rules are proposed at a final meeting (the switch), thus bypassing the objective of public notice and public discussion on the actual rules voted upon.

While legal, the political objective is to get legislation or rules passed without expected negative community review

24 posted on 10/06/2013 3:11:20 PM PDT by Liz
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