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U.S. expected to be largest producer of petroleum and natural gas hydrocarbons in 2013
US Department of Energy ^ | October 4, 2013 | Hannah Breul and Linda Doman

Posted on 10/06/2013 12:51:25 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Ben Ficklin
That doesn't have anything to do with natural gas.

As usual, you're right.

The report only says it's about natural gas, but as you've pointed out, they didn't mean natural gas.

61 posted on 10/08/2013 6:48:17 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Damn ObamaCare, full speed ahead!)
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To: Balding_Eagle
No, it was about the moratorium, 5 year offshore drilling plan, taxes.

Sure, that includes natural gas, but it doesn't deal specifically with Obama's natural gas policy or how Obama sees natural gas's role in the US portfolio.

Maybe you can show a natural gas fired electrical generating plant that Obama/EPA turned down or shut down? Or maybe where Obama was trying to curtail the use of natural gas as a transportation fuel?

62 posted on 10/08/2013 7:27:39 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
No they haven't set any standards, because as you said the states are generally doing very well on their own. The attempts to use Pavilion WY and other locations as 'poster children' for the anti-fracking movement failed (the test well construction at Pavilion was so bad the USGS had problems with it.

In other words, they haven't been able to find the hook that would justify Federal intervention, despite looking very hard for one (at taxpayer expense, ntaurally). The media have been carrying the ball, esp the film types, because the administration can't get anywhere with science.

63 posted on 10/08/2013 8:24:36 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Ben Ficklin

It is fairly clear what the EPA’s intentions are if you look at the “Carbon Pollution Standards” press release from 9/20/2013. From your post it seems that you believe that the EPA is being dragged kicking and screaming down this path... which forgive me... I find more than a little amusing.

“Today’s proposal achieves the first milestone outlined in President Obama’s June 25 Memorandum to EPA on “Power Sector Carbon Pollution Standards,” a major part of the President’s Climate Action Plan.”

“Under today’s proposal, new large natural gas-fired turbines would need to meet a limit of 1,000 pounds of CO2 per megawatt-hour, while new small natural gas-fired turbines would need to meet a limit of 1,100 pounds of CO2 per megawatt-hour. New coal-fired units would need to meet a limit of 1,100 pounds of CO2 per megawatt-hour, and would have the option to meet a somewhat tighter limit if they choose to average emissions over multiple years, giving those units additional operational flexibility.”

http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress.nsf/0/da9640577ceacd9f85257beb006cb2b6!OpenDocument

Thus the EPA will regulate all existing coal fired power plants out of existance and no new coal fired power plants will be built because it is not possible to meet the proposed regulations with any proven technology currently available. And thus one of President Obama’s first campaign promises to bankrupt anyone who wanted to use coal to generate electricity in this country will be fulfilled.


64 posted on 10/08/2013 1:29:49 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: Ben Ficklin

Well, to be honest, I was trying to save face.

So, now I will have be make a full confession:

When I posted this in post #46:

“Yet here in America, our administration continues to view oil and natural gas development – and U.S.-based technological advances – with hostility. During President Obama’s tenure in office, his administration placed a moratorium on U.S. offshore oil and gas production, refused to approve the Keystone XL pipeline bringing oil from Canada to Gulf Coast refineries, issued a five-year drilling plan that puts 85 percent of the Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) off-limits to energy development, and repeatedly proposed to raise taxes on the oil industry, which would have the effect of reducing the industry’s ability to invest in the search for energy.”

I already knew that when read backwards. it says exactly what you asserted in your post #12, and I so foolishly challenged.

It says “Obama loves natural gas.”

The mistake is mine because I tried to hide the truth and divert the conversation. I’ll not do that again, I’ll always reveal to you what an article says when read backwards.

Obama loves natural gas. How idiotic of me to think otherwise.


65 posted on 10/08/2013 3:55:20 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Damn ObamaCare, full speed ahead!)
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