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Best Talking Points for Shutdown/Obamacare
Self | 10/6/2013 | Joachim

Posted on 10/06/2013 5:43:21 PM PDT by Joachim

OK, what are the best shutdown/Obamacare talking points out there? Seems like it would be good to make a list.

Feel free to post or link to your favorites, as appropriate.


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: cruz; lee; obamacare; shutdown
My suggestion:

What has the shutdown shown us? That the federal government will attempt to force public opinion to go its way by intentionally hurting ordinary, everyday citizens. (Obama closes parking spaces at private Mt. Vernon, shuts and blocks access to scenic overlooks, closes private businesses on public land, shuts national parks while refusing offered state and/or private funding to keep them open, shuts down government web sites, blocks off and guards open air monuments, and even claims to close wide open stretches of ocean--all while leaving his preferred air force golf course open, and his Obamacare websites up--while Reid refuses to fund NIH's ongoing cancer trials when offered the chance.)

If this is how our "public servants" behave when taxpayers rebel, why would anyone want them to control healthcare, ever?

1 posted on 10/06/2013 5:43:21 PM PDT by Joachim
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To: Joachim

“what difference does it make?”


2 posted on 10/06/2013 5:48:14 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Joachim
We're doing better than holding our own:

Do you think Republicans in Congress are doing too much, too little or about the right amount to compromise with Pres. Obama and Democrats in Congress on a budget plan to end the shutdown?
Too much . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .10%
About the right amount . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .30%
Too little . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .48%
Not sure . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 13%

Do you think Pres. Obama and Democrats in Congress are doing too much, too little or about the right amount to compromise with Republicans in Congress on a budget plan to end the shutdown?
Too much . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8%
About the right amount . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .29%
Too little . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 50%
Not sure . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .13%

It's within the margin of error, but more people think they're "compromising too little" than us.
We can easily build on that by getting the Dems to vote on the 'minibills'.

3 posted on 10/06/2013 5:52:25 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Joachim

No shutdown would occur if we didn’t need a continuing resolution, and no continuing resolution would be needed if the Harry Reid Senate passed a budget, as required by law (and which they haven’t done for five years).


4 posted on 10/06/2013 5:52:30 PM PDT by Stosh
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To: Joachim

1) Obama the spiteful (make this as “painful as possible”)

2) The house passed bills (just like normal appropriations) to fund different ‘essential’ functions of government.

2) Obama, Reid and the Dems (consequently; pursuant to #2) want to starve Children and single mothers (won’t bring up WIC funding)

3) Obama, Reid and Dems want don’t want children and others to have their lives saved through vital cancer research

4) Obama, Reid and the Dems want our veterans to starve, and not to have proper medical care.

5) Obama, Reid, Dems are TRYING to stop veterans, tourists, and average Americans from enjoying OUR Ntn’l heritage.

6) Obama, Reid Dems don’t want to PAY furloughed government workers (I know that this would be common sense in the real world - but in the gov. world if you don’t work; you get paid).

7) Obama is trying to scare the markets on both the CR, and more importantly the DEBT LIMIT. (We need to pass Rand Paul’s Bill which would guarantee payment of the interest on the debt)!

I am sure I am missing some...


5 posted on 10/06/2013 6:00:40 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Is John Boehner the Neville Chamberlain of American Politics?)
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To: mrsmith
It's within the margin of error, but more people think they're "compromising too little" than us.

And the momentum has clearly shifted to the Republicans.

Every 24 hours, the margin in our favor is going to grow.

Obama and Dingy Harry are in trouble...and it's getting deeper by the day.

6 posted on 10/06/2013 6:01:01 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: JSDude1

8) They said “We have to pass it to find out what’s in it.” This is what was in it.


7 posted on 10/06/2013 6:04:24 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Joachim

Talking points? Do you have a TV appearance coming up? Normal people have conversations.


8 posted on 10/06/2013 6:08:45 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: Henry Hnyellar

See this post:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3075257/posts


9 posted on 10/06/2013 6:10:57 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Joachim

Ask ‘em “How can we be having Obamacare if we’ve got to shut down the federal gummint to the point of tossing WWII Vets out of THEIR memorial?”

Isn’t Obamacare part of the federal gov’t? And aren’t we having a federal gov’t shutdown?

(stand back in case brains explode!)


10 posted on 10/06/2013 6:13:32 PM PDT by bigbob (Eat it Harry!)
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To: Joachim
The Regular Order is the proper method for budget development and approval because there is no disruption for agencies that had their budget approved. For the fiscally irresponsible Senate to dictate to the House of Representatives how they should originate spending bills is disingenous, unethical, or illegal.

Reid has failed to prepare a Budget for five years in a row!

Until five years ago, the government was funded through the appropriations process, called Regular Order (piecemeal). Around a dozen separate appropriations bills, each covering one or two federal agencies, made their way through Congress. Some passed through Congress easily. Others took much longer and witnessed more sustained and impassioned debate, and sometimes a government shutdown, as occurred 7 or 8 times when Tip O'Neil was Speaker of the House of Representatives.

Democrats are mindlessly defending Obamacare. Even today few have read the law, one documented example is Mark Warner, Democrat, Virginia. The Democrats know that the passage of the Affordable Care Act was contentious and characterized by coercion, bribes, threats, and promises to many Democrats. Few, if any, read or fully understood what was in the law. Now, as Pelosi, says it is opening like a flower so we can all see how the economy and health industry are being destroyed. President Obama himself has unilaterally delayed portions of the bill.

Yet, there is no acknowledgement that this is happening by the current Obama Administration or Harry Reid. They refuse to negotiate or even acknowledge that they, themselves, have a role in the stalemate they created. They are exposing themselves as mean-spirited and vindictive toward the American people, especially or WWII and Vietnam veterans. They have forgotten who they work for; insulting the "little" people is unforgivable, as is their refusal to fund the DC government, veterans, and the park service.

The Main Stream Media have their heads in the sand. Administration officials are tight lipped about its "IPO" problems. Problems the administration has had three years to solve. The MSM has failed to tally the damage to jobs, citizens, and the economy produced by an unworkable, unfair, and ineffective law. The MSM has failed to identify the scores of Democrats would like the law gone. The MSM are being exposed again as nothing but a Democrat propaganda machine.

11 posted on 10/06/2013 6:20:01 PM PDT by olezip (Time obliterates the fictions of opinion and confirms the decisions of nature. ~ Cicero)
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To: Henry Hnyellar
Talking points? Do you have a TV appearance coming up? Normal people have conversations.

No, I am not in the media, but people in the media read FR. (And sometimes a short statement can start a conversation more easily than a long one.)

12 posted on 10/06/2013 6:21:43 PM PDT by Joachim
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To: Joachim
..... Rather than the standard mantra being vomited out by the GOP talking heads repetitively uttering "Defund Obamacare NOW" and "Obamacare is costing this country too much!" Without educating the audience as to WHY .... the electorate is left scratching their collective heads why those MEAN SPIRITED Republicans are insisting that Obama's FREE HEALTHCARE is to be taken from them if those evil Teabagers have their way!! In short ..... Our arguments have to be customized and personalized for the general public.... not towards the educated conservatives and only our representatives that are wading in this mess.

.... It is my contention that America MUST be educated as to WHY!!!! It is still evident that the vast majority of Americans are absolutely still in the dark that they and their families are personally about to take a substantial monthly financial hit as a direct result due to that promised "Affordable Healthcare Act."

.... The GOP absolutely needs to be verbally telling the media wonks and direct their comments to the public saying that "The AVERAGE American simply CANNOT afford the additional monthly and yearly cost added to the already stressed family budgets as a result of the Unaffordable Healthcare act.!!!"

...... This will definitely get the attention of the low information voters as well as the general public. They are simply not being told this outside of the Talk Show circuit which generally only preaches to the proverbial choir!

13 posted on 10/06/2013 6:32:59 PM PDT by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: JSDude1

When someone says, “It’s the law,” respond with “so was slavery and Jim Crow.”


14 posted on 10/06/2013 6:40:11 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: Joachim

The Obama-Reid shutdown...


15 posted on 10/06/2013 7:24:32 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: tacticalogic

Re “We have to pass it to find out what’s in it” - Pelosi

That’s like saying about food, “You have to pass it to find out what’s in it”.


16 posted on 10/06/2013 9:51:26 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Joachim

I am having a lot of luck with this:

You are being played, America. The Truth shall set you free.... all the republicans have been asking for is a 1-year delay to the individual mandate and fines like the president gave to businesses... that’s all they are asking for... go to house.gov to verify.

This is a running tally of recent measures passed by the GOP House of Representatives and defeated or blocked by Senate Democrats. The Democrats and President Obama refuse to negotiate with Republicans to fund our government.

• SEPTEMBER 20, 2013 Continuing resolution: keeps the government running at current spending levels and strengthens our economy by defunding the president’ health care law.

• SEPTEMBER 28, 2013 Continuing resolution: keeps the government running at current spending levels and strengthens our economy by delaying the president’s health care law by one year, and permanently repealing ObamaCare’s tax on pacemakers and children’s hearing aids.

• SEPTEMBER 28, 2013 Pay Our Military Act: ensures our troops would be paid in the event of a government shutdown.

• SEPTEMBER 30, 2013 Continuing resolution: keeps the government running at current spending levels; ensures there’s no special treatment for Congress under the president’s health care law; and delays ObamaCare’s individual mandate, providing all Americans with the same relief the president has given big businesses.

• SEPTEMBER 30, 2013 Continuing resolution: insists on plan to fund the government running at current spending levels; ensure there’s no special treatment for Congress under the president’s health care law; delays ObamaCare’s individual mandate, providing all Americans with the same relief the president has given big businesses; and requests a formal House-Senate conference to resolve differences.

• OCTOBER 1, 2013 Speaker Boehner appoints negotiators to a formal House-Senate conference.

• OCTOBER 2, 2013 Provide Local Funding for the District of Columbia Act: allows our nation’s capital to continue operating using its own funding. Open Our Nation’s Parks and Museums Act: opens all of our national parks and museums, including the WWII Memorial in Washington, DC that was initially closed to veterans by the administration. Research for Lifesaving Cures Act: provides funding for the National Institute of Health, which is responsible for lifesaving medical innovations and cancer research.

• OCTOBER 3, 2013 Pay Our Guard and Reserve Act (H.R. 3230): ensures the government shutdown doesn’t affect pay for our National Guard and Reserve. Honoring Our Promise to America’s Veterans Act (H.J. Res. 72): provides immediate funding for critical veterans benefits and services, including disability claims, education and training, and more.


17 posted on 10/06/2013 11:48:15 PM PDT by true believer forever (Give me this mountain, Lord.)
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To: Joachim

18 posted on 10/06/2013 11:49:17 PM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Joachim

Also having a lot of luck with this one:

exc: “Not only are viewing the baseball playoffs and all pro and collegiate football games shot down in flames, all troops deployed outside of the United States from wide-eyed 17-year-old Privates to salty Sergeants Majors won’t be viewing basketball, golf and even professional rodeo and bull-riding.”

http://freepatriot.org/2013/10/05/obamas-ordered-shutdown-cancels-televising-ball-games-troops-overseas/


19 posted on 10/06/2013 11:50:58 PM PDT by true believer forever (Give me this mountain, Lord.)
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To: Joachim

I have been experimenting with a lot of stuff for awhile now... without much success. But in the last few days, I have just been posting the really petty, ugly stuff about obama and the democrats and getting a lot of cha ching from it...

The average person is lost in all the verbiage, etc. But they easily understand what nastiness is... one guy yesterday asked me - almost a quote: are you absolutely sure the republicans haven’t defunded the govt? I sent him a few links and he was amazed and appalled... took about 15 minutes while i was multitasking...

my sig on my posts is: “you can never think too little of obama and the democrats”.. going to hit reid hard this week, the amber alert vs michelle’s website up... and personal horror stories... the tide is at least listing a bit...

ps most people are absolutely stunned when you explain - briefly - how the dems and obama haven’t passed a budget in four years... i keep it light and always ask if they would like a source link...


20 posted on 10/07/2013 12:01:19 AM PDT by true believer forever (Give me this mountain, Lord.)
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To: Henry Hnyellar

In times like these, “normal” people look for any and every opportunity to wake their fellow citizens up... the time for talking is just about over... imho.


21 posted on 10/07/2013 12:04:18 AM PDT by true believer forever (Give me this mountain, Lord.)
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To: combat_boots
When someone says, “It’s the law,” respond with “so was slavery and Jim Crow.”

Somebody called into Mark Levin and said whenever anybody says that to them, they respond with so are the immigration laws, so was doma, so was the employer mandate, etc. etc.

22 posted on 10/07/2013 12:06:42 AM PDT by true believer forever (Give me this mountain, Lord.)
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To: Joachim
The Democrats passed their communist health care without one single Republican vote, and even had to buy some votes (for example, the “Cornhusker Kickback”) and use bullying tactics for others, then passed the final version into law in a sneaky manner (necessitated by the special election of Scott Brown) using the filibuster-proof “reconciliation process”.

In other words, the rats used every weapon at their disposal to force Mengelecare down America’s throat.

And now the rats and their newsrooms are upset that a (twice: 2010 & 2012) duly-elected GOP House is using the one weapon it has at its disposal to try to undo the damage Obamacare is doing to the nation?? Gimme a freaking break.

23 posted on 10/07/2013 12:11:46 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Henry Hnyellar
Normal people have conversations.

You must be new to politics. Welcome aboard.

One of the basic truisms of politics is: "If you need more than two sentences to explain your position, you lose your audience." Talking points (and soundbites, for that matter) can make all the difference in politics.

FRegards,
LH

24 posted on 10/07/2013 12:18:06 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Joachim

1. The republican congressmen fully funded the government. They just refused to fund Obamacare.

2. The liberal Senators shut down the government because Obamacare is more important to them than the people. (By the way, both houses of congress have exempted themselves from Obamacare.)


25 posted on 10/07/2013 6:56:56 AM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: Joachim

Obama’s cherry picking the closures to punish Americans for not supporting Obamacare. Were he consistant, he would have to evict himself and his family from the White House, as he has evicted others living on federal lands.


26 posted on 10/07/2013 6:59:49 AM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: keats5; All
Thanks to all for the comments and links.

One of my current favorites, courtesy of Thomas Sowell:

CLEAN BILL = BLANK CHECK

27 posted on 10/08/2013 6:29:01 AM PDT by Joachim
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