Posted on 10/06/2013 8:58:40 PM PDT by Be Careful
Creating a CR that would pay our principal and interest on existing debt would effectively pre-empt any action Obama would attempt to take by using the 14th amendment in order to raise the debt ceiling.
From what I have read, the 14th amendment may be one method to keep the country from going into default.
But, Obama is trying to take it one step further by the misuse of the amendment in order to also raise the ceiling as well.
He cannot raise the ceiling using the 14th.
If he even gets a chance to press this, it will create a constitutional crisis.
Media-wise, the 'horses will have left the barn' and it will escalate, in my opinion, into a debacle on par with this current ACA mess.
With the CR to keep our bills paid, everything else can be addressed in its own time.
What possible defense could Harry Reid muster to disagree with a CR that would pay our current bills and keep us from a default?
This is the moment we’ve feared. 0bama is trying to consolidate power in the executive.
He wants to make HOR irrelevant/unnecessary and impotent. He can’t have the constitution in his way of ruining America. He doesn’t care that the authority to spend money is in HOR. He wants the authority, so he’s taking it.
Let’s hope the military sees it otherwise.
I just read the 14th amendment
Nothing in there allows the President to raise the debt ceiling.
As a matter whatever else is in the amendment, the last part of the 14th gives the power to CONGRESS, specifically to Congress.
This is true.....but he will try to do it and the MSM will create the smoke-screen that will overwhelm the low information citizens
Cruz says Harry Reid has 8 bills on his desk that will fund the govt. (or parts of it) but won’t bring any up for a vote.
Can anyone tell me what happens during a “constitutional crisis”?
I’d bet at least 25% of the people in this country would love to see obama take power and hang Tex Cruz and Rush Limbaugh and many others.
According to: http://definitions.uslegal.com/c/constitutional-crisis/
A constitutional crisis refers to a situation dealing with the inability to resolve a disagreement involving the governing constitution of a political body. Typically, a dispute or an interpretation or violation of a provision in the constitution between different branches of government is involved. A constitutional crisis may threaten to break down government function.
But, I would say we are already pretty much there......
No doubt he'd use some BS song and dance about not wanting to fund things piecemeal. (gosh, funding bills might be small enough to actually read and understand everything that is in them, can't have that!)
Actually, I kind of hope the House does NOT send over anything like that. Keep sending bills over funding the normal necessary stuff, just not obamacare. Make Reid keep rejecting them. Make the democrats own the pain and suffering. Dare obama to do something so blatantly un-Constitutional that we can finally impeach is socialist, fascist, dictator wanna-be backside and throw him in prison.
Yes. CNN plays more ominous than usual music in their news updates.
Looks like a good tactic.
I would further suggest that Obama failing to pay interest on the debt violates the 14th Amendment.
From another angle, what if investors were told that any debt not authorized by Congress would not be recognized and disavowed once the little dictator is thrown out. A bill isn’t needed. Just planting the idea may work.
“Boehner should pass a bill funding only payments on the current debt. See if the senate even votes on it.”
in the original house CR there was a section 138 that exempted debt interest and principal from the debt ceiling
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-113hjres59eh/pdf/BILLS-113hjres59eh.pdf
i think when Boehner says he is not going to cave and give a no conditions CR, and that he will not allow a debt default, this is what he is thinking about
24 posted on Sunday, October 06, 2013 9:45:50 PM by Reverend Wright
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3075729/posts?page=24#24
I think it is a really good tactic.
The benefit to a pre-emptive move is that he and the MSM have already created the propaganda meme that links raising the ceiling with a default.
This tactic would clearly bifurcate these two very separate issues.
Obama would lose control of the dialogue.
They certainly talk about it as those the sun is going to stop shining. I doubt very many talking heads have any idea what will happen. They just know that if there’s a “constitutional crisis”, it will be the republican’s fault.
Of course.
Wait if, in conjunction with this, people refused to pay taxes?
I mean, if the IRS is furloughed, who’s going to enforce?
The mind reels.
No one will buy debt when it is under constitutional lawsuit. That’s why the 14th is not going to happen.
This is an outstanding point.
That silliness and deceitful manner has been invented as a way to pretend our government is not already breaking the law by not producing a budget!
This is mandated by law (presenting a budget) but as the Democrats (and many Republicans as well) don't want Americans to know what they are already spending on and want more of spending on things most Americans would be up in arms over and demand that they cease doing it.
So, with the acquiescence of Republicans, "lawmakers" (another oxymoron if there ever was one) rather than follow the law regarding having a budget and listing such items as grants for studying the sex life of gay earthworms, have created a little sleight of hand and created a way to "continue to spend" on things that aren't itemized - ever, so as not to inflame the masses!
Colluding in this sham are both parties, with liberals, knowing full well that Republicans don't want their voters knowing how our tax dollars are being squandered either, jointly agree to "continue the resolution!"
Most Americans would demand that this immoral extortion stop, if they understood what is happening and that's precisely why those in the GOP even hate Ted Cruz, because he's just honest enough to pull the rug out from under them!
They aren't "serving the public" in Congress, they are there to become very wealthy and avoid the punitive laws they write for the rest of us to follow!
He is going to keep on shutting down important things like the Amber Alert website while leaving mooche’s lets move up. Taking Cancer treatment from kids while letting his golf course stay open, he’ll just only end up pissing off a lot more Americans white, black and red. He just may start the second Revolutionary war to stop him.
reid has his marching orders from 0 and biden. they think we will blink first as gop usually does.
Michelle’s adcive? “Let them eat arugula.”
Section 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
The process noted should be half of the action.
The payment amount should be calculated and then used to carefully select programs to trim or eliminate to raise the funds needed.
Debts paid = spending cut
A constitutional crisis is a situation that the legal system’s constitution or other basic principles of operation appear unable to resolve; it often results in a breakdown in the orderly operation of government. Often, generally speaking, a constitutional crisis is a situation in which separate factions within a government disagree about the extent to which each of these factions hold sovereignty. Most commonly, constitutional crises involve some degree of conflict between different branches of government (e.g., executive, legislature, and/or judiciary), or between different levels of government in a federal system (e.g., state and federal governments).
A constitutional crisis may occur because one or more parties to the dispute willfully chooses to violate a provision of a constitution or an unwritten constitutional convention, or it may occur when the disputants disagree over the interpretation of such a provision or convention. If the dispute arises because some aspect of the constitution is ambiguous or unclear, the ultimate resolution of the crisis often establishes a precedent for the future. For instance, the United States constitution is silent on the question of whether states are allowed to secede from the Union; however, after the secession of several states was forcibly prevented in the American Civil War, it has become generally accepted that states cannot leave the Union.
A constitutional crisis is distinct from a rebellion, which is defined as when factions outside of a government challenge that government’s sovereignty, as in a coup or revolution led by the military or civilian protesters.
A constitutional crisis can lead to government paralysis, collapse, or civil war.
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