Skip to comments.USE OF FORCE TO BE STUDIED IN DC POLICE CHASE
Posted on 10/07/2013 4:36:16 AM PDT by Biggirl
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Police in Washington are reviewing the use of officers' deadly force in the killing of a woman who tried to ram her car through a White House barrier, a shooting her family says was unjustified.
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What, they were supposed to let her keep going until she killed someone?
Was she trying to get to Obama?
I have a gut feeling that there is more to this girl than her physco history.
“Death by U-Turn” might be the point where one begins to question the current Fedthug police state.
Like I said...There's more to this girl than her nutso history.
Who in the White House is the baby’s father?
I don’t know, but I watched that video through its entirety.
Initially, there was a quick volley of shots at close range (the child was in the car at that time) Seven in all.
The lady managed to slowly (what looked like to me)work her way out of that. The video keeps rolling and then the car finally passes out of sight. I heard 2 shots a little while later, and then a couple three minutes after that was a barrage of so many quick shots, I couldn’t even count them (at least 30-50) but there was no onsite video......
To me, something is not jibing with this story and the police reaction.
She had driven from Stamford, CT, to DC without telling anyone. I think her family said they believed she was taking her daughter to a doctor's appointment.
Her initial encounter with police was when she reportedly drove over several low barricades and into a driveway leading to the White House. There, she was stopped by a larger barricade.
Her family members reported that she thought Obama was monitoring her, so he could broadcast her life on TV. To me, it seems like she mixed up an obsession with Obama, plus the revelations about NSA spying, and came up with a bizarre scenario.
And people wonder why I have a dentist phobia.
Police in dc are trained to treat every incident as a potential terrorist incident. Except two weeks ago at the navy yard they pulled the swat team out. Its not a conspiracy its incompetence.
The initial volley of fire seems to be at the tires, because I don’t recall any of the vehicle windows breaking with the first volley.
But I have only seen the video once.
She appears to have been disturbed. Doesnt mean she was dangerous.
Cops surrounded the car ... four tires taken out effectively stops her.
Yes they need to study the question of what to to when the vehicle is stopped and there is a child in there. Do you shoot first or do you reach in and remove the child and then empty your clips into her??? A real dilemma.
In hindsight, that's easy to see -- if you discount driving 80 mph through the equivalent of a national park with tourists walking around.
But at that moment, the police didn't know any of this. And frankly, her erratic behavior looked like a failed car bombing in the absence of that information.
I read the article. My question was facetious.
I have seen countless police chases where 4 flat tires had little effect until the car was down to just rims.
There’s virtually no immediate effect of shooting out 4 tires in a low-speed situation.
According to a witness interview, they REMOVED THE CHILD FROM THE CAR BEFORE KILLING HER!
If that’s true, there was no lawful reason to shoot her.
As it is a clear indication they had the car sufficiently blocked to enter the car.
She was a dental hygienist. One of those people who expect you to lie on your back, open your mouth and let them in while they think about stalking obama and running amok in DC.
I think they’re being jumpy. They’ve been instructed that there just might be an insurrection in reaction to all of Bammy’s crap, and there you go....trigger happy cops.
they had the car stopped, took the baby out then shot her
If the car wasn’t sufficiently surrounded they needed more cars. There is no excuse for shooting a perpetrator in the head to stop a bomb or crash threat. Even White House fence jumpers are shot in the arm or leg.
so you are upset, get gong the wrong way into a police action, you are petrified of those thugs, as I am, so you try to get outta Dodge and they chase you, and shoot you, really?
HER car rammed into nothing. A cop car hurt itself when it ran over a barricade trying to get to her. Her car was not bashed up. Cops are lying
Any evidence that she had any intent to hurt someone? Should the police also shoot drunk drivers and kids doing donuts in parking lots?
It appears to me that the officers involved are drilled every day to look for terrorist threats and it becomes an issue of every problem looking like a nail, when the only tool you've got is a hammer.
You see only what they want you to see..... Something stinks here. A scene from things to come when it comes to Obama and his minions.
Oh,OK...got it! Yes,mental illness can afflict medical people just as it can afflict "ordinary" people.I could tell you stories about a few of the physicians and nurses with whom I worked.
The multitude of shots was more of a threat then her car or driving. She wasn’t getting close to any buildings. Whats more limely in dc, a deranged person or a terrorist? History shows a deranged person is more likely. Heck the one time they have a terrorist at the navy yard they screw it up.
She had postpartum depression that would have come on only in the last year.
Her car WAS “sufficiently surrounded” at the time they removed the child, before shooting the mother.
Did you get that point yet?
There is no excuse whatsoever for shooting this woman: she approached some barriers near the White House where she was confronted at very close range by the guards who tried to block her in. She panicked and rabbited off in her luxury car and was chased. Had she been armed, they would have known during that initial confrontation. She raced off through DC traffic and headed towards the congressional complex and then was riddled with gunfire with her baby in the car.
What kind of country have we turned into? Cops aren't suited, mentally or constitutionally for combat. That should be left to the professionals and used against foreign enemies, not mentally fragile moms in cars.
Cops kill people. So?
Yes, that is what I said exactly. IF it had not been blocked in the police needed to bring in more vehicles. In other words, there is still no excuse, even the Secret Service said their was no serious threat.
I’m a little confused about how this went down. I’ve seen the video with her parked and the police pointing guns at her, then the car circles a few times. Does that video cover the whole incident or was there more that wasn’t on video? They say it started when she “rammed “ a barricade but I don’t see damage on the front grill or bumper. I see on the video where she bumped a barricade. If that’s what provoked this woman being killed, then yeah, it’s another case of unnecessary escalation of the use of force by police.
What this showed me was a hair trigger response of police that was not too professional. As several have said, shoot out the tires. Hit the engine and smash the block. Both actions immobilize the car.
I was distressed at shooting at the car with a baby in it.
I wonder ... did they see/perceive panic on the face of the lady?
Was the baby crying?
Parents read their children's faces and society operates on people perceiving each other ... something human is missing these days.
“She appears to have been disturbed. Doesnt mean she was dangerous.”
We all know it’s the calm and rational people that decide to run over people with their car and not the disturbed.
Disturbed people driving wild are a threat to no one.
My wife tells me I am no longer allowed to go to Washington- I drive exactly like the young lady .
The DC police acted stupidly. The capital was on edge, worried there might be an uprising because of the ‘shutdown’ or 0bamacare. They expected trouble. They were incapable of understanding that they had a disturbed woman, now afraid for HER life.
Something always stinks with Obama and Co.
I’m sure Jesse and Al will let us know how much it stinks, and how much we are going to pay.
We will probably never get an accurate and complete report.
We will, as is often the case, have to try and figure things out as best we can on our own.
With the media we have, we are largely on our own to filter out the noise and try to find the signal.
Speeding past the capitol. She was killed close to the residential area in NE DC, a couple blocks NE of the capitol.
Her car had major rear end damage. However it had very minor damange on the front end. She was clearly not trying to ram anything, just backing up so she could turn and flee the cops who were shooting at her. She obviously didn't pay attention to what she was backing into.
Her last maneuver was backing up into a large plastic trash container.
There was very minor damage on the front bumper on the driver's side. Looks like about 5 mph of impact.