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Democrats Plan Maneuver to Allow Obama to Raise Debt Ceiling
Newsmax ^ | Monday, 07 Oct 2013 06:49 PM | (Newsmax Wires)

Posted on 10/07/2013 11:47:21 PM PDT by Olog-hai

Senate Democrats say they’ll advance a bill giving President Barack Obama the authority to raise the debt ceiling unless two-thirds of Congress disapproves, according to a Senate Democratic aide.

The issue of increasing the borrowing limit and avoiding an unprecedented default is fast becoming a central focus in Washington—and comes as ordinary Americans say they’re deeply dismayed with the week-old government shutdown, and are finding blame with both Republicans and Democrats.

“It looks like there is more than enough blame to go around and both parties are being hurt by the shutdown,” CNN Polling Director Keating Holland said. …

(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: bullshiite; debtceiling; democrats; fiscalcliff; obama

1 posted on 10/07/2013 11:47:21 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

can we name it “the Enabling Act”?


2 posted on 10/08/2013 12:06:47 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

May as well.


3 posted on 10/08/2013 12:08:18 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Public approval of Congress in general was at about 12% before any of this started. Republicans in Congress fared no better. There is nowhere “down” for them to go. Almost twice as many dentists recommend sugary gum for their patients who chew gum as approve of Republicans in Congress.

On the other hand, over 40% of the people, for reasons passing human understanding, still approve of the job President Obama is doing. He has room to fall.

So if this shutdown is hurting both sides, only one side is feeling the pain. Congress “enjoys” the immunity that comes with near-zero approval ratings.


4 posted on 10/08/2013 12:08:48 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gun Control Haiku: Say "Registration" / And they call you paranoid / So say "Privacy")
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To: DesertRhino

Why would Boehner bring this for a vote when all he has to do now is wait until Oct 17 then they will have to rail in spending, cut the budget etc.

Makes no sense for him to cave now, plus wouldn’t the Senate need 66 votes to pass this?


5 posted on 10/08/2013 12:43:27 AM PDT by nikos1121 (“To err is human; to forgive, divine.” Alexander Pope (1688-1744) English poet)
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To: Olog-hai

Newsmax used to be Conservative. Now I see no difference between them and CNN.


6 posted on 10/08/2013 12:52:56 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Olog-hai

Yet another article basing all their reporting on a biased CNN poll of ‘Adults’ instead of voters. I’m tired of it.


7 posted on 10/08/2013 12:54:24 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Obama&Admin=An army of deer, led by a lion is more to be feared than an army of lions led by a deer)
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To: DesertRhino

Where does the Senate get the right to take the powers which belong to the House according to the Constitution, and give them to the President? If they can do this, what’s the use of the House? Their power is merely window dressing if it can be stripped anytime the opposition doesn’t like what they do. The ‘rats sure are in a hurry to finish this. It seems that the more people who see the truth of CommieCare, the more they oppose it. Shame they gave that much credit to a bunch of known power-drunk liars in the first place.


8 posted on 10/08/2013 1:39:05 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Olog-hai
If I recall correctly, this was McConnell's compromise idea before the 2012 election that pulled the rug out from under Boehner in the House during the first debt ceiling showdown.

Give Obama a power with an unattainable Congressional override.

-PJ

9 posted on 10/08/2013 1:46:16 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: mrsmel

Praying right now for those democrats and yes, liberal republicans willing to blatently disregard the rules of the constitution (all bills must begin in the House of Reps). God’s power SUPERCEDES mankind and would ask for HIS intervention beginning with Harry Reid!


10 posted on 10/08/2013 1:55:41 AM PDT by princess leah
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To: mrsmel

According to the article, this is “a bill giving President Barack Obama the authority to raise the debt ceiling unless two-thirds of Congress DISapproves, according to a Senate Democratic aide”

Seriously?


11 posted on 10/08/2013 2:03:21 AM PDT by ReaganGeneration2
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To: Olog-hai

?


12 posted on 10/08/2013 2:06:38 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: Olog-hai

FK them.

It’s unconstitutional.

Submit all the paper they want but, it fails before being proposed who


13 posted on 10/08/2013 2:07:11 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: ReaganGeneration2

According to the article, this is “a bill giving President Barack Obama the authority to raise the debt ceiling unless two-thirds of Congress DISapproves, according to a Senate Democratic aide”

Democracy democrat style.....Majority disrule.
We’ll do what we want and if enough of you don’t
like it, maybe we won’t. I wouldn’t want to bet on that.


14 posted on 10/08/2013 2:19:02 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

These people sure are in a hurry to change our government.
They think they are close so close to pure POWER that
they might as well make a grab for it.
(actually I had typed in “make a grave” but it’s the
same thing really)


15 posted on 10/08/2013 2:22:25 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
The power of the purse is vested by the Constitution in the Congress and it is so vested that a simple majority controls the will of each chamber. This proposal seeks to control subsequent congresses and limit their constitutional power of the purse to a two thirds vote. Both features are unconstitutional.

This is, however, in keeping with the regrettable tendency to abdicate Congressional responsibility as defined in the Constitution to the executive branch. Obamacare, for all intents and purposes, says to the Secretary of Health Education and Welfare, "go write a law controlling all aspects of health care in America." We abdicate the control of the currency to the Fed, CO2 emissions to the environmental agency etc. etc.

The Constitution has been abdicated away.


16 posted on 10/08/2013 2:25:56 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Olog-hai

Democrats should just write a bill making Obama a dictator...its what they advocate when Democrats win the presidency anyway.


17 posted on 10/08/2013 3:01:19 AM PDT by RginTN
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To: Olog-hai
Reichstag fire


18 posted on 10/08/2013 3:24:41 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Haiku Guy

The people answering these poll questions are the same people who think obamacare and the affordable care act are two different bills.
The polls are bogus,they don’t deal with the specific points of the bill,congress getting breaks,corporations getting breaks,unions getting breaks,they ask about liking republicans and democrats,do you like Obama,it’s all bullshit


19 posted on 10/08/2013 3:26:54 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: Olog-hai

Just another extortion scheme by the Democrats. It has gone from Obamacare to Obamascare.


20 posted on 10/08/2013 4:54:53 AM PDT by abclily
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To: Olog-hai

bfl


21 posted on 10/08/2013 5:27:56 AM PDT by ZOOKER (Until further notice the /s is implied...)
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To: DesertRhino
can we name it “the Enabling Act”?

We've had more than one. When a bill gives so much discretion to a non elected party, as the ACA does, or many EPA bills, you've got a mini-Enabling Act.

When you think about Reid's demand for a "clean bill," you've got pretty much the same thing. He just wants a continuing resolution for whatever, clean of any restrictions. Maybe you're right--the ultimate clean bill wouldn't be confined to any area, it would just be an overall Enabling Act.

Also, doesn't it seem wrong to pass a bill by a bare majority which requires a 2/3 majority for over-ride?

22 posted on 10/08/2013 6:08:02 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: nathanbedford
Here is the original story from July 2011:

McConnell: Give Obama new powers on debt limit:


WASHINGTON (AP) - The top Republican in the Senate proposed on Tuesday giving President Barack Obama sweeping new power to, in effect, unilaterally increase the nation's debt limit to avoid a first-ever default on U.S. obligations. Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., offered a new plan to allow the president to demand up to $2.4 trillion in new borrowing authority by the summer of next year in three separate submissions. Those increases in the so-called debt limit would automatically take effect unless both the Republican House and the Democratic Senate enact legislation specifically disapproving it.

McConnell unveils debt limit ‘Plan B’


The first part of the plan would entail Obama submitting a request to Congress to raise the debt ceiling by $700 billion ahead of the Aug. 2 deadline. Then, Congress could pass a resolution of disapproval; the president could either sign it or veto it, McConnell said.

“Presumably, he would veto it,” McConnell continued. “If that were the case, that veto would be sustained by one-third-plus-one in either the House or the Senate.”

The second debt-limit request, for $900 billion, would then likely come in the fall of 2011 and would follow the same procedure, McConnell said. The third, another $900 billion increase, would come in the summer of 2012 and would lift the debt ceiling through the end of the year.


This is "leadership?" Who's side is this guy on?

-PJ

23 posted on 10/08/2013 9:53:56 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

NAME OF REPUBLICAN SENATOR WHO ALLEGEDLY CALLED FREEDOMWORKS SUPPORTERS ‘TRAITORS’ (UPDATE)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3076253/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3076253/posts?page=70#70

Obama wants to make the debt ceiling an issue as Mark Levin described.
Levin pointed out it was all planned. I found this video from Sept 23, so it was BEFORE the Oct 3 radio program. Levin lays it out:

Mark Levin REVEALS the brazen unconstitutional assault Obama is planning…

http://therightscoop.com/mark-levin-reveals-the-brazen-unconstitutional-assault-obama-is-planning/

Link to the audio for the Mark Levin Oct 3 clip about his theory.

The End of the United States of America

http://markamerica.com/2013/10/04/the-end-of-the-united-states-of-america/


24 posted on 10/08/2013 9:27:33 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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