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Carter: Middle Class Today Resembles Past's Poor
Associated Press ^ | 10/7/13 | Lisa Leff

Posted on 10/08/2013 8:47:35 AM PDT by CharlesThe Hammer

OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) -- Former President Jimmy Carter said Monday that the income gap in the United States has increased to the point where members of the middle class resemble the Americans who lived in poverty when he occupied the White House.

Carter offered his assessment of the nation's economic challenges Monday at a Habitat for Humanity construction site in Oakland - the first of five cities he and wife Rosalynn plan to visit this week to commemorate their three-decade alliance with the international nonprofit that promotes and builds affordable housing.

The recent economic downturn revealed that families living in even comparatively well-off, but expensive regions like the San Francisco Bay Area are economically insecure, he said.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: centralplanning; dogooders
Mr. Carter is right of course, like a broken clock is predictably right, but his reasoning and ideology are persistently wrong outside of those two seconds per day.

While it's true the middle class is being devastated by Obamanomics, Carter's claim that the causes of that devastation are insufficient government expenditures on "affordable housing" and economic regulation like the minimum wage, the truth is that socialist, central planning grinds down the middle class. He is completely oblivious to the tragic irony.

1 posted on 10/08/2013 8:47:35 AM PDT by CharlesThe Hammer
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To: CharlesThe Hammer

Not surprised that Jimmy doesn’t link the worsening position of the middle class to failed Progressive attempts to manage our economy. We need pro-growth policies and a less intrusive federal government, not greater “investment” by an all-powerful, central government in housing for our middle class families.


2 posted on 10/08/2013 8:49:20 AM PDT by Tandem (What ever happened to personal responsibility & self-reliance?)
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To: CharlesThe Hammer

It’s called “Marxism”.

Karl Marx HATED the middle class. He wanted their blood running in the streets.

So here we are in 2013 attempting to use Marx’s ideas to make life better for the middle class.

And it’s the middle class pushing these Marxist policies.

So what do you want me to say?


3 posted on 10/08/2013 8:51:40 AM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: CharlesThe Hammer

Carter should be proud of his role in helping democrats drag America down to third-world status.


4 posted on 10/08/2013 8:51:56 AM PDT by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don't need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: CharlesThe Hammer

I think Jimmy is happy to no longer be the worst president in living memory.


5 posted on 10/08/2013 8:53:45 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (http://jonah2eight.blogspot.com/)
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To: Iron Munro
Jimmy Carter was incompetent.

I don't think he hated America like the present president.

6 posted on 10/08/2013 8:55:00 AM PDT by TYVets
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To: CharlesThe Hammer

Anyone that is worried about an “income gap” or “wealth gap” doesn’t care about the poor at all. In fact, they would be just fine if the poor were poorer, so long as the rich was less rich!


7 posted on 10/08/2013 8:57:08 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: CSM

Exactly these people are only happy when everyone else is miserable.


8 posted on 10/08/2013 8:57:50 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: CharlesThe Hammer

Old jimmuh wants more communism.

LLS


9 posted on 10/08/2013 8:58:47 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: TYVets

He didn’t. He was a lousy President, but I think we do have to give credit where it is due. Carter did not deliberately lie to us, and only a handful politicians to come after him can say the same.


10 posted on 10/08/2013 9:01:45 AM PDT by thoughtomator 2.0
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To: CharlesThe Hammer

That was at the end of Carter’s term not at the beginning.


11 posted on 10/08/2013 9:02:06 AM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: CharlesThe Hammer
People like Jimmy are offended by a world where 10% have twenty apples, 70% have ten apples, and 20% have five apples.

Their solution is everybody should have two apples. And they really consider it a "win" for society if they succeed.

12 posted on 10/08/2013 9:02:52 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: CharlesThe Hammer
The ironic tragedy:

I remember when trying to buy a house during "Jimma's" reign, the interest rate was double digit, yeah like 10 to 13% or more.

That was pretty much like using your VISA card to buy a house.

I also remember that towards the end of his four year reign, regular people could not afford to wear nice clothes - the Carter "uniform" was worn out tee shirts and jeans and broken down tennis shoes. And haircuts. Who got haircuts? Who could afford a haircut?

And then, there were the gas lines.

So, his personal experience is bonafide crap.

13 posted on 10/08/2013 9:04:11 AM PDT by Slyfox (Satan's goal is to rub out the image of God he sees in the face of every human.)
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To: CharlesThe Hammer

Yep, Jimmah. Obama has passed you as the worst president in US history.

Of course, he got 2 terms to do it in. His first term was a disaster. After a few tweeks, however, his second term is even worse — and Obamacare hasn’t really kicked in yet. Give that 2 more years, and more cities may resemble Detriot 2013.

Carter’s new legacy: My presidency was better than Obama’s.


14 posted on 10/08/2013 9:04:30 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: CharlesThe Hammer
I really miss W.Surprisingly,I actually miss BillyBob.Hell:

I EVEN MISS THE PEANUT FARMER!


15 posted on 10/08/2013 9:06:51 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: CSM

I will have to disagree with you there. When the economy is being deliberately rigged to siphon off all wealth past present and future into the pockets of a very tiny group of already extremely-well-off people.

Nobody begrudges a person who makes their wealth honestly, but that’s not how wealth is made these days. You try to make wealth honestly today, you get the whole alphabet soup of government agencies come in to destroy anything you’ve built. If you try to make wealth by some form of legalized scam, then you’re golden in this political economy.

99% of income gains since the 2008 crisis have gone to the top 1% of the wealth holders, in an economy which is thoroughly politicized. It is the politics, not merit, which is driving the movement of wealth away from the bulk of the people and into the hands of this class of financial grifters.

If you want to make serious big money today, you get the government to take it away from someone else. These ain’t the Reagan Years anymore.


16 posted on 10/08/2013 9:07:22 AM PDT by thoughtomator 2.0
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To: CharlesThe Hammer
No, Carter is WRONG!

Today's “poor” have shelter, cars, TVs, microwaves, and many things the “middle class” went without, 50 years ago.

It is precisely because they have more that mere “necessities”, that they remain unmotivated to improve their situation.

17 posted on 10/08/2013 9:08:15 AM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: CharlesThe Hammer

carter should know, he created a lot of poor during his term. people that were missle class, many of them farmers. his grain embargo did a lot of damage to the economy and the country.


18 posted on 10/08/2013 9:08:22 AM PDT by mr fish
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To: CharlesThe Hammer

He got one thing right. Even if he got it right for the wrong reasons. The democrat dominated gerrymandered districts that have secured the elimination of the middle class with no chance for this to change.


19 posted on 10/08/2013 9:09:53 AM PDT by certrtwngnut (')
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To: G Larry

50 years ago was 1963. Carter ended his term 33 years ago. Quite a bit changed from 1963-1980.


20 posted on 10/08/2013 9:12:30 AM PDT by thoughtomator 2.0
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To: CharlesThe Hammer
Jimmy. The great white hunter.
21 posted on 10/08/2013 9:13:51 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: Slyfox

The interest here in N.J. went as high as 22% during Carters four year run to oblivion.


22 posted on 10/08/2013 9:13:53 AM PDT by certrtwngnut (')
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To: certrtwngnut

Middle class did this one to themselves by converting to the religion of Materialism. The Rapture of Materialism is ruin and it is here.


23 posted on 10/08/2013 9:14:25 AM PDT by thoughtomator 2.0
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To: CharlesThe Hammer

Misery index as of August 2013 is 8.82

Last year Jimmy Peanut was in office 21.98 June 1980

FYI:

The misery index was initiated by economist Arthur Okun, an adviser to President Lyndon Johnson in the 1960’s. It is simply the unemployment rate added to the inflation rate. It is assumed that both a higher rate of unemployment and a worsening of inflation both create economic and social costs for a country. A combination of rising inflation and more people out of work implies a deterioration in economic performance and a rise in the misery index.

I move the name be changed to the Obama index. do I hear a second???


24 posted on 10/08/2013 9:14:39 AM PDT by Farnsworth ("The people have always some champion whom they set over them and nurse into greatness...This and no)
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To: CharlesThe Hammer

He isn’t right! He has lost it! Todays “poor” have phones, big screens, cable, newer cars than a lot of us, plenty of food, shelter. There are some destitute, but many because of choice.


25 posted on 10/08/2013 9:20:48 AM PDT by vpintheak (Thankful to be God blessed & chosen!)
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To: vpintheak
"He isn’t right! He has lost it!"

He has NEVER EVER been right. He hasn't lost it. He can't. He NEVER HAD it to loose. . . . .

26 posted on 10/08/2013 9:27:37 AM PDT by DeaconRed (Two things money can't buy. Home grown tomatoes & affordable O-Bummer health care.)
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To: thoughtomator 2.0

What you are describing is an economy that is the natural result of the policies instituted by those persons that are “concerned” about the wealth gap. When they show that “concern” they are really empowering themselves to become part of the elite rulers.....

I’ll stick with Margaret Thatchers response to the marxists:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnOGaQX04Cs


27 posted on 10/08/2013 9:28:22 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Farnsworth

It’s little wonder why they game the inflation rate and unemployment. I’d wager if we used the 1979 standards, wed be near equal in terms of misery. The whole Fed spending spree is so people don’t realize how bad things are. They learned where they erred last time and they’ll be damned if they allow another Reagan to come along and toss them out from rightful rule as Lords over America.


28 posted on 10/08/2013 9:33:47 AM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: CharlesThe Hammer

The Middle Class were poverty stricken during his administration with high inflation, high interest rates, and high unemployment.

Mortgage rates today are at 4.5%. In his day 21%.

An average home today costs a total of $1,200 including payment, interest, taxes, and insurance. In Peanut head’s administration with their high mortgage rates that would be $3,300.

That’s right. Today we pay $1,200 but under Carter it would have been $3,300.


29 posted on 10/08/2013 10:03:07 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: thoughtomator 2.0

The same is true from 1976.

Your genius is not living up to your screen name.


30 posted on 10/08/2013 10:17:38 AM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: vpintheak

The “right” reference is not to the supposed “poor,” but to the middle class. Obama is quite successfully redistributing the fruits of industrious middle class productivity to his beloved underclass. You are essentially saying the very same thing:

“Todays “poor” have phones, big screens, cable, newer cars than a lot of us, plenty of food, shelter. There are some destitute, but many because of choice.”


31 posted on 10/08/2013 10:44:29 AM PDT by CharlesThe Hammer
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To: Bogey78O
I don't put much value into the misery index. A number is just a number, one has to look around and see how other folks are doing, who is working, who isn't. Who is buying or not. Thats the real figure. people are hording, cutting back, saving. When you can't do what you want without great fiscal cost, then that is the REAL misery index.
32 posted on 10/08/2013 10:47:33 AM PDT by Farnsworth ("The people have always some champion whom they set over them and nurse into greatness...This and no)
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To: Tzimisce

Marx’s term for middle class was “bourgeoisie.” You’re so right about his hatred for this group. Yet, he spent his life in living a middle class existence, mostly financed by the father of his ideological partner, Friedrich Engels.


33 posted on 10/08/2013 10:49:59 AM PDT by CharlesThe Hammer
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To: CharlesThe Hammer

What does he know about the middle class anyway???


34 posted on 10/08/2013 12:05:04 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: DennisR

Good point.


35 posted on 10/08/2013 1:08:36 PM PDT by CharlesThe Hammer
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To: G Larry

Today’s middle class is largely one pink slip from being lower class. There is next to zero economic security for the middle class, which is a significant difference from the 1970s. Perhaps more important, there is no longer any social mobility or hope for a better economy in the future.

We are in a 1930s economy right now, perhaps worse. There’s no honest metric that you can look at that doesn’t agree.


36 posted on 10/08/2013 1:20:24 PM PDT by thoughtomator 2.0
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To: Tzimisce; CharlesThe Hammer
Karl Marx HATED the middle class

Communists, Socilists, Elites always do.

Their goal is 2 classes. Themselves (The Aristocracy) and one class under them. Easier to control.

Their tactic is to force the middle class to give their hard-earned money to the poor via Gov't coercion in order to equalize all those under them.

Work to get ahead? Not in their disgusting "utopia".

37 posted on 10/08/2013 1:26:16 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up

Yes - it’s called “Marxism”.

And Marxism’s biggest defenders in 2013 are the middle class.


38 posted on 10/08/2013 1:59:18 PM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: Tzimisce

“And Marxism’s biggest defenders in 2013 are the middle class.”

This is a a dubious claim. I would contend that Marxist rhetoric and dogma are emitting from the governmental and media elites. These flawed notions are embraced by “low information voters”, some of whom are indeed middle class as you claim, but many are also part of a massive and expanding “underclass.”

There is still a gigantic number of working Americans who are small business owners, entrpreneurs, professionals, and blue collar employees who want no part of Marxism in any form. Don’t tar them all with that tag.


39 posted on 10/09/2013 12:48:18 PM PDT by CharlesThe Hammer
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To: CharlesThe Hammer

Most of the people I argue politics with in my day to day affairs are members of the middle class (and I live in a red state.)


40 posted on 10/09/2013 3:47:53 PM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: CharlesThe Hammer

Good ol Jimma, gets everything backwards.
Today’s poor live like the middle class of
years ago. Color TVs, Cell phones, big cars,
welfare,Wic,Snap, head start.

When will we be done with the old fool.


41 posted on 10/09/2013 4:09:30 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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