Posted on 10/08/2013 4:35:09 PM PDT by Nachum
Father Ray Leonard, a Catholic priest who serves a Georgia military base, was not allowed to celebrate mass at the Naval Submarine Base Kings Bay this weekend. “Shutdown: No Catholic service till further notice,” a sign posted on the chapel said. Leonard — who is contracted with the Department of Defense to minister the military on the base — is not allowed to work on the base during the federal government shutdown. In fact, the general counsel for the Archdiocese for the Military Services USA has warned that — under current law — some military priests under contract could even
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Imagine there's no Christians,
it's easy if you try...
We shut down all their churches,
too bad ... let them cry...
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Still no media word on whether mooselimbs can still do Friday prayer calls and services on military bases.....
Great question for our Congresscritters to find out the answer to.
.. a paid worker and now there is no pay ?
.. a guest ?
.. a civilian ?
What does ANYthing have to do with a priest?
Is a military chapel a "non essential entity" or something ?
What the hell is going on here ?
Keith Ellison will tell you as soon as he gets out of jail.
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/23639551/rep-ellison-arrested-at-immigration-reform-rally
ALLAH FUBAR
Why can’t the priest say Mass outside?
A priest is by nature to say the Mass and minister. He does not do it for pay but from his nature. The pay is only so that he can eat, as we all have to do. They cannot prevent a Priest saying Mass, so just go, say Mass and etc, and let the chips fall — and sue for violation of numerous amendmendments to the Constitution. FEAR NOT as JP II said. Just say the Mass wherever and whenever and these tyannts cannot prevail over the holy power of the eucharist itself.
Do they even care when they’re not affected by it?
But muzzies can have their services, er, recruitment sessions, right?
Yes outside, inside, he can say the Mass anywhere. He can say the Mass outside the gates of any base, and the faithful can hear Mass from the otherside as thought they were in a Gulag and take the Eucharist from between the wires if need be, so JUST DO IT! Just say the holy Mass, just attend and hear the Holy Mass; Obama cannot stop you, only fear can, and JP II said Fear Not! So we won’t.
Hmmmm. Article doesn’t say if all of these *arrested* Dims were kneeling on their collective prayer rugs, at the time of their *arrest*.
I went to a beach side Catholic mass in Waikiki once. One of the most beautiful masses I’ve ever attended. And I’ve been to many.
Are muslims exempt from Obamacare?
EVERYthing about this "shutdown" is BoGatz !
No ranger has the right nor power to keep people out of a park ... especially one that never had a ranger before.
And a priest SHOULD just go in and say mass.
I'm not Catholic, but if my pastor was told he couldn't preach ... you don't know NUTHIN' 'bout independent, fundamental Baptist preachers .... you want WW3 ?
They hate religion because they know that what Robert Nisbet said is true: ‘God is a conservative.’
Congress should investigate; and the officers who obeyed these illegal and unconstitutional orders (”good Germans”) should be rifted from the service.
We’ve got plenty of other good men to fill their places.
Yes just a bit of courage. At this point, just a tiny bit of courage and commitment is all it takes, and those who do not have that much are not worthy of officer’s rank. Later, if it were come to that — and there is no reason that it should — it would take real sacrificial courage to resist. Not now. Now it is just a cake walk and those who cannot walk a cake walk . . . what else can one say??
Mass can be held anywhere. I attended mass at a tree trunk in Vietnam. The priest should have moved the congregation to the parking lot and held mass off an SUV tailgate.
Ray Leonard...Who do you serve?
This prohibition is in direct contradiction of the first amendment of the constitution. Plus, it's just STUPID!
I wonder if there will be similar prohibitions against Jewish, or more importantly, islamic services?
Mark
Obama Temper Tantrum reaches Georgia
They are coming after you. One group at a time.
This is not random. It is a calculated strategy.
First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Where are the higher levels of the US Catholic Church on this? If the church so liberal that it will stand by mutely and take this assault?
I’m not Catholic, but I recall when young that it seemed priests and nuns were willing to be jailed to defend their religion. The Catholic Church had influence in bringing down communist governments. But it accepts this now?
The tenor and tone of many of the comments on this thread suggest that a great deal of misunderstanding and ignorance is at work.
First, the Catholic Church supplies Chaplains to the military services who are commissioned as officers of the Chaplains’ Corps and serve as members of the Armed Forces. The Catholic Church has been unable for some years to provide Priests in the numbers that are required based on location of military forces and percentages of servicemen who identify as members of the Catholic faith. These military chaplains are not affected by the shutdown and they are saying Mass as they have always done.
Because of the shortage of military chaplains, the government has contracted with local dioceses to provide Priests for scheduled Mass and other services. These arrangements are subject to the legal provisions of the contract, which vary from place to place. Just like other government contractors, some are working as normal, some are being told to stay home depending on the contract.
I would think that the Base Chaplain, if he has half a brain and isn’t a complete bureaucrat, could arrange for a Priest not associated with the contract in question to say Mass as an invited guest. This would avoid any contract legal issues and ensure that some level of ministry could continue. He could also arrange to have a military chaplain report on TDY, although that may not be an option in this case.
If someone is being bullheaded, lazy, or hamstrung; then, the faithful may have to go off base to attend Mass. This problem highlights a serious issue that has nothing to do with a government shutdown. The Catholic Church in America has a serious shortage of Priests. There are plenty of Baptist in the Chaplains’ Corps.
Ever since Vatican II. They quietly dropped the tenets against communism during the council. No secret that the Church was filled with communists by the late 50's and 60's. Bella Dodd testified in front of Congress (at the encouragement of her encounter with Bishop Sheen) of the communist infiltration that started in the 20's.
There is a book called "The Metz Agreement" that was written in 2007 that goes into detail as to why communism was virtually ignored (and left open) during the Council. It was an abrupt about face and contradiction to what had been a staunch, Church stance until the death of Pope Pius XII in 1958. Thus explains the horrors surrounding the Church that has happened since then.
It’s the equivalent of living as a recussant Catholic in England during the Tudor police state. Pray the rosary. Pray the mass. Unite your prayers with the BILLIONS praying the mass throughout the world. Obama shall be defeated.
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I understand this is what they are doing at the Naval base in San Diego. The priests there are going off base to administer the sacraments.
Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us!
How are they going to stop him from talking. He should just start speaking mass right now , and not stop until the doors open again.
And THEN have a mass.
Hoodat nails it - Obama Temper Tantrum reaches Georgia.
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These chaplains should celebrate their masses or services just outside the gates of these bases ... providing, of course, that they are in fact real chaplains and just not NWO stand-ins.
These are civilian contract Priests, not chaplains.
The problem is that Obama has also banned even volunteer Catholic priests from celebrating Mass.
For Baptists, this isn’t a problem, because Baptists aren’t supposed to go to church every Sunday, whereas Catholics do have a Mass obligation and are supposed to attend Mass every Sunday.
Obviously, if there’s no Mass and they can’t get off the base, God isn’t going to hold it against them!
But that’s the reason Obama is attacking Catholics.
My understanding is that in some places, contract Priests have been prevented from celebrating Mass. That is different from Priests who have no contractural relationship with the military being able to celebrate Mass by invitation.
This is a submarine base. Submariners, when on patrol, cannot attend Mass just as many infantrymen cannot regularly attend Mass. The church deals with this quite well. This is not 1943, those not on duty (i.e. watch) have no problem leaving base to attend Mass.
My point about Baptists is that Protestant denominations have very little problem providing the numbers of Chaplains that are required by their adherents serving in the military. The Catholics, not so much.
The point that I’m trying to make is that in addition to the contract priests, even non-contract, purely volunteer priests have been prevented from celebrating Mass.
The GOP passed a bill permitting them, but that clearly had no effect.
I understand your point, but I have not come across any credible source confirming that story to be true. It could be, but this particular report does not apply to that situation.
I do not find it useful to rail about urban legends when there are so many examples of Obama’s petulant behavior that can be verified.
So is this just for Roman Catholic priests?
WE NEED A PAPER TRAIL FROM THIS TO THE TOP.
(Yes I’m yelling. For all the talk, I’m not seeing any substantive legal action from those with access & standing.)
I’m going to go get that book you mentioned. Reading what you wrote made me sick, yet another layer peeled back.
FUBO, FUBO, FUBO!!!!!
A contract priest is not an active duty military chaplain. It is possible he is a retired chaplain, a civilian hospital chaplain, or even an NG/AR chaplain not on training most weekends. It is very likely that he is a civilian priest who has been contracted to provide Mass due to the lack of an active Catholic Chaplain to perform that function at that naval installation.
There is nothing stopping another priest, not this one with whom a contract exists, from performing a service at some other location on that base. Nor is there anything preventing that priest from having a lay Eucharistic minister deliver consecrated host to those parishoners and having a lay led service.
Nor is there anything preventing the priest in question from voluntarily leading a service off base for these parishoners.
I wonder if we could bring him up on yet ANOTHER Constitutional breach of stopping RCs from practicing their religion. It works for muzzies. Where’s the ACLU?
Did they also forbid Muslim services?
Was wondering that myself.
Haven't you heard? The regime is busy removing them if they are unwilling to fire upon the rebel forces (you & me, folks!).
BTTT
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