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Posted on 10/09/2013 6:15:56 AM PDT by Whenifhow
SNIP Senate Democrats are so determined they are even willing to violate the Constitution by empowering the President to raise the debt ceiling.
SNIP
They are now seeking to violate the United States Constitution as a means of silencing the voice of their opposition, the Republicans. They are planning to vote soon to authorize the President to assume powers that the Constitution clearly states do not belong to the President, the power to raise the debt ceiling. Article 1 Section 8.2 states, “The Congress shall have power to borrow money on the credit of the United States.”
Raising the debt ceiling is all about the power to borrow money on the credit of the United States. That power does not belongs only to the Congress. Not only that, but Congress does not have the authority to give the President that authority because doing so violates the Constitutional process for amending the Constitution. The Congress does not have the authority to change the Constitution, even if they voted unanimously to do so. Article V of the Constitution identifies the process for making amendments. It gives Congress the authority only to propose amendments to the Constitution. Their proposed amendments must then be voted on and ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the states, which would be 38 states.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is hoping to gain Senate approval of new powers for the President as a means of forcing the Speaker of the House, John Boehner, to allow the House to vote on the same measure. Boehner has so far refused to allow the House to vote on a clean bill to raise the debt ceiling. However, Boehner should resist this pressure on the grounds that it violates the Constitution.
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What’s a Constitution?
And the country will shrug it’s collective shoulders when this happens.
I doubt if 1 in 1000 Americans even knows what the Constitution says, let alone is paying attention to what is happening in DC.
Not to be unconcerned, but ? since when was this news ? they have disregarded the constitution for decades.
What Obama does on this country every morning after his coffee and smoke.
IMPEACH THE BASTARD!!!!
No taxation without representation.
I will not comply with tyranny at all, ever, for any reason.
Will Obama Cross the Debt Ceiling Rubicon?
...”If he crosses this Rubicon, he will have effectuated a coup.”
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/10/will_obama_cross_the_debt_ceiling_rubicon.html
Treason
At some point the idea of state secession will take hold in a red state. It will catch on like wildfire...
One other factor in this case may be the office of the Senate Parliamentarian. She (Elizabeth MacDonough) should exercise her role to steer Reed (sicK) away from this krap.
Good one, although I’m not so sure he isn’t constantly so engaged. Oh, maybe while he is playing golf or eating ice cream.
Can’t, he’s TFBP.
The simple fact of the matter is that since there is no audit, we cannot conclude with certainty that the ceiling has not already been exceeded. Having no look into the books, we don’t know for sure that the funds sequestered were actually not spent. We don’t know how much was spent nor for what.
Further, I can speculate with a fair degree of probability that the President is uptight because he knows he has exceeded the debt ceiling illegally and desperately needs it raised to cover his tracks.
This is just grandstanding. The Senators and Obama all know this wouldn’t fly. They just don’t have much real leverage, so they are tossing out fantasy threats like this, or the nonexistent “14th Amendment debt power”.
I think I know the answer but what is the mechanism for restraining a Senate that is out of control and lawless? Only the House can propose bills of spending but they can only go to the President for signature if the Senate agrees. So what can be done if the Senate leader won’t allow a vote? Isn’t it the Senate that is holding the country hostage?
The Justice Department won’t do anything.
Certainly the President won’t do anything.
The Supreme Court has no authority or means to do anything.
Congress can’t do anything.
So what does the Constitution say about how an out of control government is reigned in?
I disagree.
I believe if Dems were quite so moronic as to try something like this, the public will roundly turn on them.
For real.
I’d like to see Republican Senators hold a televised caucus meeting where they unanimously approve the House Bill that re-opens the government while denying illegal Obamaare subsidies for Washington insiders and while giving any individual who requests a “fat-cat waiver” the same penalty-free “waiver” that the big corporations and unions get.
Ideally there would be five life-sized cardboard cutouts of American patriots standing with the Republican Senators.
Then, Mitch McConnell could point at those five cutouts and say, “We only need five more PATRIOTS to end the nightmare being imposed on all Americans by this White House and Harry Reid.
hmmm.... might have to take back my note on the Sinate Parliamentarian. Since writing it, found out that she was appointed by Reed (sicKo).
“charter of negative liberties”, eh?
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
http://www.usa.gov/directory/federal/
Socialism Is Legal Plunder - Bastiat 1801-1850
DISMANTLE BIG GOVERNMENT/SOCIALIST CONSTRUCTS
—That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
FUBO
FUCONgress
FUUSSC
The action is of no value if not passed by the House as well.
It is but a gambit to appear to be doing something.
“Harry Reid is hoping to gain Senate approval of new powers for the President”
Banana. Republic. I am ashamed.
>>> So what does the Constitution say about how an out of control government is reigned in?
Constitutional convention.
The states can collectively override congress, the court, and the president on any matter.
Obama could literally be impeached by the states.
The federal government itself could be dissolved if the states had a solid plan for taking control of the military and critical agencies.
What would happen if state legislatures started convening meetings in a multi-state format to discuss what their options are, and what consensus could be found for convening a constitutional convention?
You could ask 1000 people is “life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness...” should be removed from the Constitution and I’d bet you get 1000 ‘no’ votes.
Nothing. But Lincoln had a lot to say on the subject:
"This country belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it." - -Abraham Lincoln
This is being unconstitutional on steroids. It essentially makes the Legislative Branch a vassal of the WH. If the President can decide to spend money without any real constraints based on the proposition that the government is obligated to do so, what limits are there?
Time for Impeachment.
What’s this guy’s source? What bill is it?
Sorry, but I hate it when bloggers just state facts without offering proper references. His article is purely conjectural until he gives us some info on the legislation itself.
“”The simple fact of the matter is that since there is no audit, we cannot conclude with certainty that the ceiling has not already been exceeded. Having no look into the books, we don’t know for sure that the funds sequestered were actually not spent. We don’t know how much was spent nor for what.
Further, I can speculate with a fair degree of probability that the President is uptight because he knows he has exceeded the debt ceiling illegally and desperately needs it raised to cover his tracks.””
Great analysis....supposedly there are missing funds from sequestration also. You could very well be right.
Not a pleasant thought but certainly a possibility with this creep.
One could argue that (as Obastard has), that raising the debt ceiling isn’t an actual appropriation, but a number that cannot be exceeded in other appropriations bills...
I am uncertain who has the actual “authority” to raise this ceiling if it even exists.
The legislation was not mentioned in the article.
This thread was posted yesterday: see post 23 and 24
Democrats Plan Maneuver to Allow Obama to Raise Debt Ceiling
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3076165/posts
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/democrats-debt-ceiling-obama/2013/10/07/id/529693
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Nevada Democrat, said last week in an interview with Bloomberg News he would move a “clean” debt ceiling increase bill before Oct. 17, when the Treasury expects borrowing authority to lapse.
Yes.
I would hope you would be right about that—but I have my serious doubts.
It’s almost like they want to play a game of “cowboys and liberals”. I don’t think it would work out the way they expect.
Just heard that the buffoons on the Hill are wanting to start one of their stupid “supercommittees” again. The people need to demand that the first thing this stupid “supercommittee” does is reactivate the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights! They aren’t just “historical documents” for tourists to look at. THEY MEAN SOMETHING!!!
Again, what is the bill? Does a bill even exist yet? Even that NewsMax article doesn’t provide an answer.
So far, I can’t find any introduced legislation on the Senate website that’s references such a thing.
I am tired of political bloggers and journalists sounding alarms, yet they can’t/won’t source their information. They use assumptions and presuppositions to attract and/or scare readers.
It just shows how much the quality of people’s writing skills has diminished.
“So what does the Constitution say about how an out of control government is reigned in?”
They assumed it would be up to us, unfortunately.
So far the search results show two other articles that are NOT bloggers, but they still do not show either the name or the number of the legislation.
Might have to write Harry Reid to find out. Most everything these days is done in “secret” and pass it to know what is in it.
Senate Dems craft proposal to raise debt limit as Reid, Boehner ...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/08/senate-dems-plan-to-introduce-no-strings-attached-bill-to-raise-debt-limit/
Reid wants to hike debt limit by $1T (Video) - The Hill’s On The Money
http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/budget/327363-reid-wants-1t-debt-hike-to-end-of-2014
Can we then arrest the Senators who violate the Constitution and proceed with impeachment?
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Don’t know if you heard the short clip on Kelly’s Files last night with the truckers strike ? The person interviewed said they wanted Obama impeached on air!!
I don’t have that clip but here is another interview.
http://ridefortheconstitution.org/
Trucker Rally - TheBlaze
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJSayZkmFU
If I remember correctly, a similar thing happened in Australia when their government was advocating cap and trade nonsense. I remember reading there was a caravan of trucks, yutes, caravans and family wagons that took to the road to protest the upcoming proposed increases in fuel taxes. Look what just happened there as their populace just gave greenies the boot!
we can pray we have that opportunity to turn this around.
This is a game of chicken and Obama (valerie jarret) can not get it through their thick commie skulls that anyone would disobey them.
The race card did not work.
the effete elite media card did not work.
the attacking seniors did not work.
the attacking families of soldiers did not work.
They are just fools who are despert to hang onto a legacy legislation failure.
BTW obamacare website is asking all people who registered to re-register because they can’t figure out the problem.
Only an idiot would raise the debt ceiling of the organization that has accumulated the highest debt load in world history. The Debt Ceiling should be lowered.
Quotes of President Barack Obama on the Budget, Deficit, Debt and Deficit Ceiling
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3076002/posts
“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government can’t pay its own bills. ... I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.” — 3/16/2006 Floor speech in the Senate
First, we learned that the federal budget deficit could reach nearly half a trillion dollars next year. Eight years after we had a record surplus, we’re now faced with record deficits. This mortgaging of our children’s future is a direct result of the Bush Administration’s dangerously failed fiscal policies. — 8/9/08 Democratic Radio Address
And, you know, frankly, the last eight years what we’ve seen is moving in reverse. We’ve been moving in reverse. When Bill Clinton was president, the average family income went up $7,500; $7,500. Since George Bush has been president, you know what it’s done? It’s gone down $2,000. Think about that. That’s a $9,500 swing; $9,500. That’s money out of your pocket. That’s money going out of this country because we’re borrowing it from China to send to Saudi Arabia to buy oil. That’s what’s added $4 trillion to our deficit. I mean, think about that. You know, so we’ve created a mountain of debt for the next generation that they’re going to have to pay off. This little guy, he’s not too worried about it right now, but, you know, we’ve created $30,000 worth of debt for every man, woman and child in America. That’s going to have to be paid back. — 9/3/08 New Philadelphia, Ohio
We can’t mortgage our children’s future on a mountain of debt. I look at all these young people here today, and I say to myself, the notion that we are loading up more and more debt on a war in Iraq that I believe should have never been authorized and should never been waged — (cheers, applause) — on tax cuts for multi-billion dollar corporations and some of the wealthiest Americans, that is not a good investment in the future. We can’t run up a credit card, have a party and leave our children to pay the bill. It is time — it is time to put an end to the runaway spending and the record deficits. It’s not how you would run your family budget, and it must not be how Washington handles your tax dollars. It’s time to return to fiscal responsibility and pay-as-you-go budgeting, the kind of budgeting we had in the 1990s. You’ll remember Bill Clinton left a surplus — (cheers, applause) — to George W. Bush. — 10/1/08 La Crosse, Wisconsin
We can’t afford another four years of the kind of deficits we’ve been seeing over the last eight. Young people, you are going to have to pay for this debt we’re piling up. We can’t afford to mortgage our children’s future on another mountain of debt. — 10/2/08 East Lansing, Michigan
The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion for the first 42 presidents – #43 added $4 trillion by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back — $30,000 for every man, woman and child. That’s irresponsible. It’s unpatriotic. — Independence Day, 2008, Fargo, North Dakota:
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