Skip to comments.MSNBC’s Chris Hayes: The Problem is the Constitution
Posted on 10/09/2013 8:21:23 AM PDT by Kaslin
Theres a narrative emerging among leftists pundits, commentators, and columnists that the current government shutdown is due to a fundamental flaw in the American form of government. Chris Hayes on MSNBC (ya know, the guy that looks like a 16 year old wannabe economist?) recently dedicated an entire segment of his show to exposing the fatal flaw in our Constitution.
According to MSNBCs woefully statist anchor, our Constitutional form of government inhibits the ability for government to adequately (or speedily) race toward action. Which, in a way, is true. Fascism, in comparison, enables for a rapid-response-government that forfeits deliberation for action. And of course, that brings us to the main issue at hand: The Constitution was orchestrated with the very explicit purpose of derailing radical shifts in government.
Leave it to an MSNBC liberal, however, to take things a step further. The narrative, throughout Hayes segment, was that the radical GOP is exposing the flaw of Americas form of government. At one point the apparently constitutionally-ignorant host referred to the conservative wing of the Republican Party as the most extreme party in American history. I guess its nice to know that nothing has changed in over 150 years of GOP political involvement. . . Im pretty sure that they were also described as radical when Lincoln was elected President.
More to his point, however, was the assertion that our government is incapable of functioning, due to the flawed design of the Constitution, and the radical nature of the GOP. . . Right. Because, an Executive Branch that openly admits it will not negotiate with the minority party is clearly not a causal player in todays legislative gridlock.
The modern GOP is no different than any party that has held control of a portion of Americas legislative body. The minority party routinely wields its outsized influence to accrue a platform from which it can bully the majority into negotiations. That, contrary to the single-party ramblings of some left wing pundits, was not a flaw but a deliberate design by the framers of the US Constitution.
To be fair, the historically ignorant Chris Hayes did, in fact, make a couple of correct points. His conclusions, however, were woefully off-base. At one point Hayes pointed out that our system is an anomaly in todays world. But where Hayes sees that as a deficiency, our founders would no doubt see it as a badge of honor. Our anomalistic system is the reason weve historically been unmatched in our prosperity, equality, and individual liberty. Regardless of how desperately any political party, character, or movement would like to erode Americas fundamental existence, their intentions will be suspended by our cumbersome and intentionally deliberate form of government.
In fact, the shut-down illustrates the entire intent of the Constitutions delegation of power. In the world envisioned by the authors of our founding document, Obamacare (regardless of its intentions, Constitutionality, or propriety) would not be fully implemented. Why?Because there is not a consensus among a wide enough swath of American citizens to give supporters political impunity.
It would almost seem as if things were working exactly as they should, according to our Constitution.
Then the segment got worse: Leave it to a Congressman from New York (Jerrold Nadler, Democrat) to make Hayes look like a simple victim of ignorance. As Hayes introduced his Congressional guest, the conversation quickly focused its narrative on the GOPs culpability in obstructing Americas democratic potential. Nadler explained that Republicans are doing something unprecedented by allowing a minority movement (we have to assume he means tea party Republicans, and not Obamacare supporters) to control the will of the majority.
Um. . . Congressman, our system was set up to protect the minority from the will of the Majority. We are not a democracy, but a Constitutional republic. Citizens, therefore, are afforded the protection of representation with confidence that the majority will not strip from the minority their rights, liberty, or property. The Constitution is designed, specifically, to give the political minority outsized influence in governing as a form of protection from a majority-rules mentality.
This protection for minority interests inspired the creation of institutions such as the Electoral College. This was the thought behind divided government, filibusters, Supreme Court nominations, executive power limitations, the checks and balances of three branches, the length of elected terms, and almost every other provision in our Constitution that enables the minority a voice in the political direction of the nation.
What Hayes, Nadler, and progressive pundits across the nation, seem to be missing is that the system is working exactly as intended. What is not working, necessarily, is the art of negotiation. After all, its not as if America has never seen sharply divided political opinions before. Such political polarization, as it turns out, has been with this nation since our conception. And it was the art of negotiation, ironically, that lead the US to dissolve the Articles of Confederation in exchange for the Constitution shortly after our War for Independence.
The very document Hayes believes is flawed was written by men who were in the midst of equally troubling political times. Debate, gridlock, and political polarization are -- far from being a legislative nuisance -- vital to the long-term survival of the nation. The American form of government is not fatally flawed in the way that progressives would lead you to believe.
What is broken is the willingness to negotiate. And with a President, and Democrat leadership, who openly refuse to do just that, it is hard to make a legitimate case that the radical GOP is at fault for Americas political crises.
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In other words, MSLSD would rather have a monarchy
With what would you replace the Constitution, Mr. Hayes? Das Kapital? Mein Kampf?
And no mention of the fact that we have not passed a Constitutionally-required budget in several years. No budget, no appropriations bills, just a series of debt increases and “continuing resolutions”.
Perhaps we would not be here if we DID follow the Constitution.
I am trying to find out why we are using continuing resolutions. What are they doing that a Constitutional approach does not allow?
Only when it suits him and the Democrats. When it comes to morality and the rule of law, they pick and choose.
That is what they are — progressives.
Nadler, Jerrold (D-NY). We dont even have the time to read the bills we pass much less this ancient screed that no one takes serious anymore. Our job is to give the American people the government they need. We shouldnt be limited by the quaint notions of men who died 200 years ago.
Well, of course, Miss Hayes. Our Constitution was designed to protect us from miscreant, petulant, adolescent little tyrants like you. FOAD. It’s working just fine.
If one is not prepared to defend their beliefs, they have no beliefs at all.
Sooner or later, it appears that we will have to do some defending.
And any weak minded liver-lipped liberal that thinks that their sorry excuse for an education gives them intellectual superiority over the writers of the Constitution is headed for a severe can of whup-ass - if they are lucky.
Make our day, libs. You are slime and will be treated as wsuch after CW-II/
I totally agree there is a fatal flaw
THERE IS NO CHECK ON THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH
Has always been their position. Obama is 100% onboard with it.
I think Mark Levin is right, he is positioning himself to raise the debt ceiling unilaterally and take that power to the POTUS when our linguini-spined Congress does nothing about it.
Sounds like this knucklehead would be happier in North Korea with the fresh new ideas of Kim Dung.
Did this moron swear to support the Constitution?
If he did he needs to stop vilifying it.
Maybe his pension should be cut off because hardly anyone in the private sector gets a pension anymore.
It's such a quaint notion.
Chris Hayes has about as much need for the Constitution as he does for a razor.
It must be a very frustrating time to be a progressive.
They desperately want to eliminate us as opposition but they know that its virtually impossible and increasingly likely that their moment has passed.
These same types weren’t fawning all over parliamentary systems when Pelosi had control of the House under Bush.
You are only partially correct in this. The House has passed numerous budgets. It is the demonratic controlled Senate who has not passed a budget and that arrogant pos occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave has yet to submit a budget according to the constitution
MSNBCs Chris Hayes: The Problem is He was Born with a (very small) Penis
I do sense desperation. I only pray we can start the course correction, next year. Please, God.
The rise of the sort of fascist government envisioned by Squeaky here is stymied by the constitutional defenses put up specifically to stop people like him. His calling it a flaw is like a bank robber calling a locked vault a flaw in bank security.
Radical left floating trial balloon for Obama unilaterally raising the debt ceiling and declaring his own budget by executive fiat.
Yes, the Constitution is the problem for these “folks”.
It is an absolute obstacle to their radical Marxist approach to subversion of our Constitutional Republic.
Obama, et al, HATE THE CONSTITUTION and they have said so. They are Marxists and tyrants. It shows daily now.
Yes, the Constitution has is flawed if you want to run a centrally planned socialistic form of govt. It is designed to inhibit order and exalt freedom.
It’s the only reason we had a free country as long as we did. Now that our govt is starting to ignore it, we are the poorer for it.
We are founded on the idea of a country with a govt, NOT the reverse!
That would make it so much easier and socially acceptable to be a quisling or collaborator. These types would just love to spend their days pointing their cameras at people they believe to be Anti-Regime and turn them in with video "evidence". Railroad cars filled with Conservatives, Tea Party members, gun owners, you name it. All headed for the gas chambers while Liberal a-holes like Rachel Maddow, Chris Hayes and Bill Maher sit and rub their hands in delight.
Well....I have news for these types and they won't like it.
I think what Hayes has in mind is something more on the North Korean model.
What is it with all these metro sexual looking freaks? Schulman & Werful of the IRS, now this guy.
Chris who? Does anyone watch MSNBC anymore?
TRY TO REMOVE THE CONSTITUTION AND WAR WILL ENSUE.
I’m sure he was neutered long time ago.
What started as a Pelosi-Reid attempt to avoid passing a record deficit budget in an election year has now become a habit. They are using the (stupid) baseline increase to keep spending money when they know they can't pass a similar budget with a vote. The only way to stop it is for the House to grow a pair and say no more CRs until the Senate goes to conference. Only one more CR during that process. If that CR expires we shut the government down until a real budget passes.
They are emboldened, seeing their dream nearly realized, and are starting to say in the light of day what they only whispered in corners before.
In other words, the Constitution is doing what it was intended to do.
“Our job is to give the American people the government they need.”
Go ahead, violate the Constitution, written by your mental superiors... two hundred years ago.
And our job will be to give you what you deserve.
These people aren't liberal. They are authoritarian.
These people aren't liberal. They are authoritarian.
If you have a president who governs within the limits of the Constitution, you have two checks on the Executive Power: The Legislature and the Courts.
Obama has repeatedly ignored both of these. The only fatal flaw is that there is no mechanism to immediately deep-six a president who oversteps these limits.
communists, which they are, are authoritarian
Chris, just to be clear, I AM a problem for you and your fellow marxists. How? The U.S. Army taught me how to kill efficiently, and effectively.
Bummer, huh Chris?
“MSNBCs Chris Hayes: The Problem is He was Born with a (very small) Penis”
Well, like I always say..”when you are standing on the mountaintop, everything looks small”
He’s not going to remove it, just ignore it. And there will be no consequences.
Frankly, I think his talk of “invoking the 14th Amendment” (which, in addition to some good things, gives emergency governing powers that are pretty scary) is obviously a warm-up and the MSM is coordinating with him on this.
The guy (subjective) is such a puss. As long as he’s broadcasting the talking points he’s ok. The minute anyone asks a guestion He stutters, stammers, and squeals like a little school girl. He should always be ridiculed and then ignored.
This guy makes Les Nessman look like a lumberjack.
With generations of non-deliberative ignoramuses raised in, and issuing forth from, public schools, one wonders how long this grand design of a Constitutional Republic can last.
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The Constitution is the Charter of the United States.
No Constitution - no Charter - no United States.
“You are only partially correct in this.”
Minor issue. Congress has not passed a budget.
The president is not required to submit a budget, though that has become common practice.
Yes, as long as it’s THEIR monarchy!