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Israel Expresses Dismay at Cutback of U.S. Aid to Egypt
NY Times ^ | Oct 9, 2013 | ISABEL KERSHNER

Posted on 10/09/2013 12:20:58 PM PDT by Innovative

Officials and experts in Israel responded on Wednesday with a mixture of disappointment and alarm to the news that the United States planned to reduce its military aid to Egypt in response to this summer’s brutal crackdown on the Muslim Brotherhood and the continuing violence it has spawned.

Israel views the aid as part and parcel of its 1979 peace treaty with Egypt, and essential to the maintenance of stability in the region.

But one Israeli official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the delicate diplomacy involved, warned that the implications of punitive cuts in Egypt’s aid could go far beyond the issue of Israeli-Egyptian relations. The United States is playing with fire, he said.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: egypt; foreignaid; israel; muslimbrotherhood; obama
Obama is punishing Egypt and Israel, because the terrorist loving Muslim Brotherhood is no longer in power in Egypt.
1 posted on 10/09/2013 12:20:58 PM PDT by Innovative
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To: Innovative

See also:

U.S. to halt Egypt aid after coup, turmoil

2 posted on 10/09/2013 12:22:02 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

The Chinese and Russians will be happy to fill in for us. With a few strings attached....

3 posted on 10/09/2013 12:22:50 PM PDT by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: Innovative
Israeli officials and experts say that the security cooperation between Israel and Egypt under Gen. Abdul-Fattah el-Sisi, the Egyptian military leader who removed Mr. Morsi, has grown closer than ever. The Egyptian military has been fighting Islamic militants in the Sinai Peninsula, along the border with Israel, and destroying tunnels that were long used by the Hamas militant group to smuggle weapons into Gaza, where they could be used against Israel.

I think I see the problem. /s
4 posted on 10/09/2013 12:24:41 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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5 posted on 10/09/2013 12:27:22 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Innovative

Egypt, US aid and Israel

“Would such a cut hurt Israeli-Egyptian relations? In talks with Washington back in August, Israel argued that it would. Such a cut might make it harder for Egypt to fight the security deterioration in the Sinai Peninsula, argued the officials.

They also said that ending US aid might endanger the Camp David Accords between Israel and Egypt.

Anwar Sadat wanted to break away from his alliance with the Soviet Union, and the US was more than happy to step in. At the same time, Sadat signed a peace agreement with Israel. Now Israel is concerned that a cut in aid might lead Egypt to annul or amend the treaty.”

6 posted on 10/09/2013 12:29:18 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: henkster
The Chinese and Russians will be happy to fill in for us. With a few strings attached....

Yup. And once again, the closed-minded, short-sighted Obama administration is too stupid to see this. Or just simply proof they don't care about a nascent democracy but would rather see a full-blown Islamic theocracy running Egypt.

7 posted on 10/09/2013 12:29:43 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: Innovative

I saw this posted here but the source was dubious so I wasn’t sure about its veracity.

However, if Israel knows about it and is being reported in the NYT, it seems to be true.

True and very distressing. Obama was on the side of the Muslim Brotherhood (that’s why one of his WH minions is shown holding the MB 4-finger salute in his official photo) and he’s clearly POed that the Egyptians kicked them out.

Punish, punish, punish, is the motto of Obama.

8 posted on 10/09/2013 12:30:55 PM PDT by livius
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To: VeniVidiVici

“would rather see a full-blown Islamic theocracy running Egypt.”

This is the real reason.

9 posted on 10/09/2013 12:31:25 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

This should be taken not as a problem, but as an opportunity.

Right now, Egypt is a catastrophe, and showing all signs of getting monumentally worse. Its one still functioning asset is its military.

Israel, on the other hand, more than anything else, can offer the Egyptian military a whole bunch of brain power to help the Egyptian military prevent an utter collapse, and to get some sort of recovery going.

It can spot critical points where a little effort can pay huge dividends in such a recovery. And how to exploit and multiply those dividends. Importantly, it can do so in such a subtle manner that it appears a wholly Egyptian solution.

If I were in charge of such a program, the first thing I would do is get Egyptian agriculture up and running. Plentiful food makes an economic recovery a lot easier. And despite complaints by the eco-nuts, growing GM crops could quadruple their yields in a hurry.

11 posted on 10/09/2013 12:37:47 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at
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To: Innovative

All the money in the world can’t help Egypt or their retrograde culture.

12 posted on 10/09/2013 12:39:24 PM PDT by PGR88
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13 posted on 10/09/2013 12:40:39 PM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: Innovative
Israel Expresses Dismay at Cutback of U.S. Aid to Egypt

Dear Israel,

We're broke! We got nothing but an endless supply of paper that is backed by "the full faith and credit of the United States" (snicker) and the chicoms are supporting us, so we don't have any spare bucks - especially for a bunch of ragheads that want us dead. Comprende?

If you think Egypt should get some free money, place a call to your folks (New Yawk and Miami area codes) to wire some cash.

The US Taxpayer

14 posted on 10/09/2013 1:00:20 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Who but a TYRANT shoves down another man's throat what he has exempted himself from?)
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To: Innovative

If they want more money from the USA, all they have to do is bomb Israel or murder Christians.

15 posted on 10/09/2013 1:06:24 PM PDT by I want the USA back (There's no autocorrect for stupidity.)
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To: Innovative

Note to both Israel and Egypt: We don’t have the effing money, OK? And somebody tell the Corporation for Public Broadcasting too.

16 posted on 10/09/2013 1:30:25 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: Innovative
Putin has been waiting for the moment to move Egypt back under the Russian umbrella. This is it!

There can be no doubt that Obama is reacting as a child because his beloved Muslim Brotherhood has been outlawed in Egypt. Those are his boys - the MB, that is!!

Both the U.S. and Israel will suffer negative consequences from his childishness.

17 posted on 10/09/2013 1:54:46 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: PGR88

The present miltary protected government has been acting in the US interests, has outlawed the Muslim Brotherhood and protected the Christians from the Islamists. Obama hates the Egyptian military.

18 posted on 10/09/2013 1:59:51 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

“We’re broke!”

I haven’t heard of any other foreign aid being cut —only foreign aid to friends is being cut.

There is no cut in the spending below as examples:

The budget request includes roughly $7.9 billion for the Administration’s Global Health Initiative
(GHI) through State-Foreign Operations appropriations,

Feed the Future (FtF), the Obama Administration’s food security initiative announced in 2010,
continues to be a priority for the Administration. The FY2013 request is for $1.1 billion in
Foreign Operations funds for related programs.

Climate Change
The FY2013 request for programs supporting the Global Climate Change Initiative (GCCI) is
$770 million, a 1% increase from the $760.9 million enacted estimate for FY2012.

International Family Planning and Abortion-Related Issues21
The Administration requested $643 million for family planning and reproductive health activities
in FY2013.

19 posted on 10/09/2013 2:37:06 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Please see my post 19.

20 posted on 10/09/2013 2:38:18 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

Yeah, it’s a pretty selective “shutdown.” These exceptions need to be publicized, but I doubt the liberal media will ever report it. I’d like to see most foreign aid stopped. Buying friends doesn’t work.

21 posted on 10/09/2013 2:44:18 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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US TAXPAYERS FINANCING THE "GOOD NEIGHBOR" POLICY Last March Obama gave then-Egyptian President Morsi $250 million in addition to 200 Abrams tanks and 12 F-16s, with 8 more to be delivered by the end of the year. Pretty strong support for the Muslim Brotherhood, of which Morsi is a member.


HERE'S THE LEFT'S MATH: ---How much does the U.S. spend on Egypt? Egypt gets the most U.S. foreign aid of any country except for Israel. (Doesn't include the trillions of tax dollars spent on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.)

The exact amount varies from year to year and there are many different funding streams, but U.S. foreign assistance to Egypt has averaged about $2 billion a year since 1979, when Egypt struck a peace treaty with Israel following the Camp David accords, according to the Congressional Research Service. That includes military and economic aid, though the latter has declined by more than two-thirds since 1998, according to a recent Congressional Research Service report.

Let's start with the military aid. How much is it, and what does it buy? Military aid — which comes through a funding stream known as Foreign Military Financing — has held steady at about $1.3 billion since 1987. American officials have long argued that the money promotes strong ties between the American and Egyptian militaries, which gives the U.S. all kinds of benefits. US Navy warships, for instance, get "expedited processing" when they pass through the Suez Canal.

Here's a 2009 U.S. embassy cable released by WikiLeaks that makes essentially the same point: President Mubarak and military leaders view our military assistance program as the cornerstone of our mil-mil relationship and consider the USD 1.3 billion in annual FMF as "untouchable compensation" for making and maintaining peace with Israel. The tangible benefits to our mil-mil relationship are clear: Egypt remains at peace with Israel, and the U.S. military enjoys priority access to the Suez Canal and Egyptian airspace.

The military funding also enables Egypt to purchase US-manufactured military goods and services. But a 2006 report from the Government Accountability Office (PDF) criticized both the State Dept and the Defense Dept for failing to measure how the funding actually contributes to U.S. goals.

Does this aid require Egypt to meet any specific conditions regarding human rights? It didn't for a long time. When an exiled Egyptian dissident called on the U.S. to attach conditions to aid to Egypt in 2008, Francis J. Ricciardone Jr., who had recently stepped down as the U.S. ambassador to Egypt, told the Washington Post the idea was "admirable but not realistic." And Defense Secretary Robert Gates said that military aid "should be without conditions" at a Cairo press conference in 2009.

Last December Sen. Patrick Leahy, a Vermont Democrat, led Congress in adding language to a spending bill to make aid to Egypt conditional on the secretary of state certifying that Egypt is supporting human rights and being a good neighbor to Israel. The language requires that Egypt abide by the 1979 peace treaty with Israel, support "the transition to civilian government including holding free and fair elections," and put in place policies to protect freedom of expression, association, and religion, and due process of law." It sounds pretty tough, but it's not.

So has American aid to Egypt been cut off? No. Congress threatened to block the aid when Egypt began a crackdown on a number of American pro-democracy groups this winter. A senior Obama administration official said that Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton had no way to certify the bill's conditions were being met.

But in March Clinton waived the certification requirement (yes, she can do that) and approved the aid, despite concerns remaining about Egypt's human rights record. The reason? "A delay or cut in $1.3 billion in military aid to Egypt risked breaking existing contracts with American arms manufacturers that could have shut down production lines in the middle of Obama's re-election campaign," the NYT reported. Breaking the contracts could have left the Pentagon on the hook for $2 billion.

What kind of arms have we been sending them, anyway? According to the State Department, the aid has included fighter jets, tanks, armored personnel carriers, attack helicopters, antiaircraft missiles, and surveillance aircraft. In the past, the Egyptian government has bought some of the weaponry on credit.

What about economic aid and efforts to promote democracy? U.S. economic aid to Egypt has slumped from $815 million in 1998 to about $250 million in 2011. The various economic aid efforts have had mixed results.

The State Department has described the Commodity Import Program, which gave Egypt millions of dollars between 1986 and 2008 to import American goods, as "one of the largest and most popular USAID programs."

<><> But an audit of the four-year, $57 million effort to create agricultural jobs and boost rural incomes in 2007 found that the program "has not increased the number of jobs as planned" [PDF].

<><> And an audit of a $151 million program [PDF] to modernize Egypt's real estate finance market in 2009 found that, while the market had improved since the program began, the growth was "not clearly measureable or attributable" to the aid efforts.

The U.S. has also funded programs to promote democracy and good government in Egypt — again with few results. It has sent about $24 million a year between 1999 and 2009 to a variety of NGOs in the country. According to a 2009 inspector general's audit [PDF], the efforts didn't add much due to "a lack of support" from the Egyptian government, which "suspended the activities of many U.S. NGOs because Egyptian officials thought these organizations were too aggressive."

President Obama has promised Egypt $1 billion in aid to support its transition to democracy following the fall of President Hosni Mubarak. But the funding has become a political issue since the attacks on the American embassy in Cairo on Sept. 11.

When the Obama administration announced that it was sending the Egyptian government $450 million to help forestall a budget crisis, Representative Kay Granger, a Texas Republican and the chairwoman of a subcommittee that oversees foreign aid, said she would block the money because of concerns about Egypt's direction under the Muslim Brotherhood. "I am not convinced of the urgent need for this assistance and I cannot support it at this time," she said in a statement. (Excerpt


Egypt gets billions of US tax dollars just for "being a good neighbor. So how much do US taxpayers jetstream to the neighbor?

SOURCE--CONGRESS WATCH The Washington Report on ME Affairs--Nov 2011.
Copyright 1983-2013 American Educational Trust
By Shirl McArthur, retired U.S. foreign service officer and Washington-based consultant.

The 2011 current estimate by the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs of cumulative total U.S. direct aid to Israel is $123.202 billion (updating November 2008 issue report).

But because parts of US aid to Israel are buried in the budgets of various US agencies or in a form not easily quantified—such as the early disbursement of aid, giving Israel a direct benefit of interest income and the U.S. Treasury a corresponding loss—it is virtually impossible to arrive at an exact dollar amount.

Our latest estimate is a conservative, defensible accounting of U.S. direct aid to Israel. It does not include the indirect benefits to Israel resulting from U.S. aid, nor the substantial indirect or consequential cost to the U.S. as a result of its blind support for Israel.

Most significantly, perhaps, it does not include the costs resulting from the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq—hundreds of billions of dollars, thousands of U.S. and allied casualties, and untold tens of thousands of Iraqi killed and wounded—which is widely believed in the Arab world, and by many Americans as well, to have been undertaken for the benefit of Israel.

Among the real benefits to Israel that are not counted as a direct cost to the U.S. taxpayer is the provision allowing Israel to spend 26.3 percent of each year's military aid in Israel rather than from American companies (no other recipient of U.S. military aid gets this benefit), which has resulted in an increasingly sophisticated Israeli defense industry.

As a result, according to the Congressional Research Service (CRS), between 2001 and 2008 Israel was the seventh-largest arms exporter to the world, with total sales of $9.9 billion. Also in contrast with other countries receiving U.S. military aid, who must purchase through the Department of Defense (DOD), Israel deals directly with the U.S. companies, with no DOD review.

Loan Guarantees Another indirect benefit to Israel is the loan guarantees that Washington has extended to Israel since 1972. While these have not yet cost the U.S., they have enabled Israel to borrow from commercial sources at more favorable terms and lower interest rates, since the U.S. guarantees payment of the loans should Israel default.

Most recently, the FY '03 war supplemental appropriations act authorized $9 billion in loan guarantees to Israel over three years. In FY '05 these were extended until FY '07, and in '06 they were extended again through FY '11, with a "carryover" provision that Israel may draw on unused U.S. guarantees through FY '12. CRS reported that Israel has not borrowed any funds against these guarantees since FY '05, speculating that it perhaps views the guarantees as a "last resort" option should their normal source of funds—unguaranteed local and international bond issuances—become too expensive.

Subsidies for Israel's Colonists And Colonies A real benefit to Israel that represents another indirect, but unquantifiable, cost to the U.S. taxpayer is the private, tax-exempt money collected by charitable American Jewish groups and then sent to support Israel's colonists ("settlers") and colony-related causes in occupied Palestinian territories, including by groups designated by the U.S. as foreign terrorist organizations (see November 2007 Washington Report, p. 30).

In July 2010, The New York Times published a lengthy article on these "charities," reporting that hundreds of millions of dollars have flowed to settlers and settlement-related causes, including to support settler extremists in Hebron and East Jerusalem.

While most of the money appears to have gone to purposes that are legal under U.S. laws, the NY Times reported, it added that US funds have "also paid for more legally questionable commodities: housing as well as guard dogs, bulletproof vests, rifle scopes and vehicles to secure outposts deep in occupied areas."

Since every tax-exempt dollar that goes to the colonies represents a loss of, conservatively, 20 cents to the U.S. Treasury, that means that the U.S. taxpayer has indirectly subsidized Israel's illegal colonies to the tune of tens of millions of dollars, or more.

As with previous Washington Report estimates of U.S. aid to Israel, this report draws largely from CRS' latest report on "U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel," which uses available and verifiable numbers, primarily from the foreign operations appropriations bills. Table 1. at web site is based on the appendix to that report plus this magazine's reporting and research, especially for the columns showing DOD funds and interest income to Israel resulting from the early disbursement of aid.

Not counting the huge sums (in the trillions) being spent in Iraq and Afghanistan over the past decade, Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. aid since World War II.

The largest amounts have been military grants (Foreign Military Financing, or FMF) and economic grants (Economic Support Funds, or ESF). In August 2007 the U.S. and Israel agreed on a new, 10-year aid plan, beginning in FY '09 and calling for no ESF and incremental annual increases in FMF, reaching $3 billion by FY '11 and remaining at that level through FY '18.

Another ongoing item is so-called "migration and refugee assistance." This originally was intended to help Israel absorb Jewish refugees from the Soviet Union, but was expanded in 1985 to include "refugees resettling in Israel." In fact, however, Israel doesn't differentiate between refugees and other immigrants, so this money subsidizes all immigrants to Israel.

Israel also receives regular grants from the "American Schools and Hospitals Abroad" (ASHA) program.

A significant amount of aid to Israel comes from the DOD budget for so-called "joint defense projects" —although to date the Pentagon has shown little interest in these projects for its own use. Previous Washington Report estimates identified about $7.694 billion to Israel from the DOD budget through FY '08.

To that has been added amounts for FYs '09, '10 and '11, as shown in Table 1. at web site Of the $415 million shown for FY '11, the most significant amount is the $205 million appropriated to support Israel's "Iron Dome" short-range missile defense system.

A significant part of U.S. support for Israel's defense program is the deployment to Israel in 2008 of the X-Band radar system to detect incoming missiles. Since this system is U.S.-owned and -operated (meaning the constant presence on Israeli soil of U.S. troops and defense contractors), its costs are not reflected in these numbers.

Table 1. at web site also shows a conservative estimate of Israel's interest income resulting from the early disbursement of U.S. aid. Assuming that Israel's aid money is drawn down over the course of each year, a 2 percent interest rate is applied to one-half of the aid for FY '09 and '10, and a 3 percent rate for FY '11.

The "All Other" column on Table 1. at web site reflects information from the CRS report, plus this magazine's reporting and research, giving amounts from other U.S. departments and agencies.

Our 2006 report uncovered $456.7 million in previously unreported grants and endowments, mostly to U.S.-Israeli scientific organizations. The two largest are the BIRD Foundation (research and development) and the BARD Fund (agricultural research).

The BARD Fund gets about $500,000 a year from the Agriculture Department. In addition, in each of FY '09 and '10, Congress appropriated $2 million from the Energy Department for the U.S.-Israeli Energy Cooperation Program, and in FY '10 the Energy Department announced that it would contribute $3.3 million to the BIRD Foundation for clean energy projects.

For those who wish to look up more details, Table 2. at web site gives citations for Israeli foreign aid and DOD appropriations bills for the past five years.

22 posted on 10/09/2013 4:10:21 PM PDT by Liz
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To: Innovative
I haven’t heard of any other foreign aid being cut —only foreign aid to friends is being cut.

In the bizarro world of emperor Hussein 1, if you're a friend of America, then you're an enemy of his regime, hence your aid will be cut.

23 posted on 10/10/2013 5:47:25 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Who but a TYRANT shoves down another man's throat what he has exempted himself from?)
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Rand Slams Congress for Funding Egypt’s Generals:
‘How Does Your Conscience Feel Now?’
Foreign Policy | 15 Aug 2013 | John Hudson
Posted on 08/15/2013 5:44:10 PM PDT by Hoodat

Sen. Rand Paul is hammering his fellow senators for keeping billions in financial aid flowing to Egypt’s military — even as Cairo’s security forces massacre anti-government activists.

[by “anti-government activists” is meant church-burning jihadists]

24 posted on 10/19/2013 10:22:03 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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