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Ryan Drops All Obamacare Demands in WSJ Op-Ed
breitbart ^ | 10/9/13 | ben shapiro

Posted on 10/09/2013 1:27:43 PM PDT by bestintxas

On Monday, former vice presidential candidate Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) wrote an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, suggesting that Republicans drop all Obamacare demands in their push for a deal on the debt ceiling and a continuing resolution to fund the government. Instead, he suggested that Republicans look for a bargain on entitlement reform, a pet project of his, as well as tax reform. “This isn't a grand bargain. For that, we need a complete rethinking of government's approach to helping the most vulnerable, and a complete rethinking of government's approach to health care. But right now, we need to find common ground. We need to open the federal government. We need to pay our bills today—and make sure we can pay our bills tomorrow. So let's negotiate an agreement to make modest reforms to entitlement programs and the tax code,” Ryan wrote.

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Revealed: Soemone who will never be president.

Another RINO we cannot stand.

1 posted on 10/09/2013 1:27:43 PM PDT by bestintxas
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To: bestintxas

Bite me, Paul Rino.


2 posted on 10/09/2013 1:28:32 PM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again. 969)
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To: bestintxas

F-Paul Ryan.

No Surrender, no RINOS!~


3 posted on 10/09/2013 1:28:53 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Is John Boehner the Neville Chamberlain of American Politics?)
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To: bestintxas
Obama used the NSA to find dirt on him.

Or, he's a liberal turd with an (R) next to his name.

4 posted on 10/09/2013 1:30:26 PM PDT by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: FReepers; Patriots; FRiends
Post #436!







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5 posted on 10/09/2013 1:30:33 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: bestintxas
Ryan, the candidate of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

What a tool.

6 posted on 10/09/2013 1:30:37 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: bestintxas

Scum Traitor!


7 posted on 10/09/2013 1:30:40 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: bestintxas

Now we know why Mittens chose him.


8 posted on 10/09/2013 1:30:45 PM PDT by BlueStateRightist
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To: bestintxas

Do these guys bother to vet their ideas privately before they open their mouths in public?


9 posted on 10/09/2013 1:31:16 PM PDT by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: bestintxas

Pro-Amnesty and Pro-Surrender.

Very Vichy.


10 posted on 10/09/2013 1:31:17 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: bestintxas

Let him know how you feel...

https://paulryan.house.gov/contact/email.htm#.UlW9LlN5ISM

https://www.facebook.com/reppaulryan

https://twitter.com/PRyan


11 posted on 10/09/2013 1:32:14 PM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: bestintxas

Ryan has this laser-like focus on putting the screws to working and middle class GOP voters. Between his support for amnesty and his continued harping on cuts to SS and Medicare, programs to which the average GOP voter has contributed for decades, it’s clear that his constituents need someone else filling his congressional seat.


12 posted on 10/09/2013 1:32:31 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: JSDude1

What motivates these guys?


13 posted on 10/09/2013 1:32:33 PM PDT by stanne
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To: bestintxas
...former vice presidential candidate Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) wrote an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, suggesting that Republicans drop all Obamacare demands in their push for a deal on the debt ceiling and a continuing resolution to fund the government. Instead, he suggested that Republicans look for a bargain on entitlement reform, a pet project of his, as well as tax reform...

Ping for later

14 posted on 10/09/2013 1:33:00 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: bestintxas

I don’t know, there may be value to this depending upon how obamacare works out. If we get some real cuts in other areas, we fund obamacare for another year. By then so many people may hate it that we can bring it up again and kill it finally, with plenty of public support.


15 posted on 10/09/2013 1:33:24 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: bestintxas
Negotiating 101 tells you to trade promises for promises and actions for actions. Anytime you trade actions on your part for promises on the part of the other party, you lose.

Particularly when the other party has a long track record of broken promises.

16 posted on 10/09/2013 1:34:21 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vince Ferrer

“I don’t know, there may be value to this depending upon how obamacare works out. If we get some real cuts in other areas, we fund obamacare for another year. By then so many people may hate it that we can bring it up again and kill it finally, with plenty of public support.”

I think we have kicked the can down the road for way too many years.

Sometimes one must face the enemy head-on instead of retreating, like my Senator Ted Cruz.

Reagan did it to USSR and it brought em down


17 posted on 10/09/2013 1:35:58 PM PDT by bestintxas (Anyone who votes for Obama after these 4 miserable years needs to take a mandatory citizenship test.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Just when we were winning...

Wolf Blitzer said the White House should take Republicans’ suggestion and delay Obamacare due to the poor performance of the websites that are facilitating it. “If they weren’t fully ready, they should accept the advice that a lot of Republicans are giving them — delay it another year, get it ready, and make sure it works,”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d88Nt7SNe4M


18 posted on 10/09/2013 1:36:16 PM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: bestintxas

Paul Ryan should be pilloried.

Pulling defeat from the jaws of victory


19 posted on 10/09/2013 1:36:18 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: stanne
What motivates these guys?

They get into Washington with the money, power fame and glory, and it becomes all about fund-raising and playing with the lobbyists.

The government contractors aren't giving tens of thousands to these guys campaigns to have their cash flow crimped by a "shutdown."

20 posted on 10/09/2013 1:37:13 PM PDT by Fido969
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To: bestintxas
Rep. Ryan meets with fellow GOP-E members for a drink after work.
21 posted on 10/09/2013 1:37:15 PM PDT by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: bestintxas

Ryan must own a white flag company.


22 posted on 10/09/2013 1:37:35 PM PDT by Fledermaus (OMG! The Federal Government is Shut Down. World To End: Film At Eleven.)
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To: bestintxas

Ryan wants to be the first to cave after seeing how much it’s done for Old Yellow-stain Boehner’s (hat-tip to Kurt Hoffman) career.


23 posted on 10/09/2013 1:37:37 PM PDT by paulcissa (The first requirement of Liberalism is to stand on your head and tell the world they're upside down)
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To: Alex Murphy
. . . look for a bargain on entitlement reform, a pet project of his . . .

What's the biggest most FUBAR entitlement right out of the starting gate?

If you said "ObaMaoCare", then go to the head of the class. Ryan, go stand in the hall!

24 posted on 10/09/2013 1:37:43 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: bestintxas

The more Ryan opens his mouth, the less I trust him.


25 posted on 10/09/2013 1:38:08 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: bestintxas
paulryan.house.gov

A couple points about the health care "law":

1. It was never passed by the Senate in its current form. The law is an amalgam of the senate bill and the house bill stuck together w/o any reconciliation.

2. Not one republican voted for the law.

3. obama has suspended multiple articles of this law w/o approval from congress.

4. During the run up to passage obama repeatedly stated that the mandate was not a tax, and yet the USSC allowed the law to go through because Roberts, and he alone, called it a tax and therefore, unbeleivably a tax.

What is Ryan trying to do? Declare surrender on the cusp of victory?

26 posted on 10/09/2013 1:38:42 PM PDT by Pietro
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To: bestintxas

Paul Ryan-O was a 5th columnist all along.


27 posted on 10/09/2013 1:38:42 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: bestintxas

Well, that political future just cancelled itself.


28 posted on 10/09/2013 1:38:44 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: bestintxas

OMG! Does Ryan realize he just ruined he career? What an idiot.


29 posted on 10/09/2013 1:38:46 PM PDT by Cricket24
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To: tsowellfan

Wolfie gets it, Ryan doesn’t. Go figure.


30 posted on 10/09/2013 1:39:01 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: bestintxas

Years back when many were swooning at this pretty baby face, I cautioned that he was mediocre in his thinking and that his apparent popularity was a creation of the liberal media a la McCain.


31 posted on 10/09/2013 1:39:08 PM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: bestintxas

This is what we get. Benedict McCain and Tokyo Ryan. I wonder what the NSA has on Cruz. Or what it claims it has. They can manufacture anything.


32 posted on 10/09/2013 1:40:51 PM PDT by informavoracious (Of course I want people to have healthcare, I just didn't know I was the one who would be paying...)
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To: BlueStateRightist

That statement sums up my thoughts about why Romney chose him.


33 posted on 10/09/2013 1:41:05 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: bestintxas

(shhh... we got us a real naive one here...)

HEY PAUL! Tell you what, man. Since you’re a dealmaker why don’t you trade me your house and car for this little sack of magic BEANS! Later (coincidentally long after I have cashed in your titles) they will grow into magic beanstalks leading into a really cool fantasy kingdom! TRUST ME!

(Well, why shouldn’t I give it a shot — it’s the exact type of deal he wants to buy into with the Kenyan and his ‘rats...)


34 posted on 10/09/2013 1:41:18 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: bestintxas

One of these days, I’ll vote for a Republican who doesn’t make me end up regretting it.


35 posted on 10/09/2013 1:41:28 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: bestintxas

Paul Ryan unfortunately has always telegraphed that when the rubber met the road the establishment would always get his vote. I can’t think of one vote where he bucked the party establishment. Is he a Rhino, not really but he is an establishment guy. You aren’t going to find him throwing bombs like Peter King, Charlie Dent, and John McCain but you will find him going out of his way not to upset the boat.


36 posted on 10/09/2013 1:41:37 PM PDT by Maelstorm (The political class love diversity and choice only when the its choices they approve of.)
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To: bestintxas

Let’s drop him instead.


37 posted on 10/09/2013 1:41:47 PM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: bestintxas
We need to pay our bills today—and make sure we can pay our bills tomorrow. So let's negotiate an agreement to make modest reforms to entitlement programs and the tax code,” Ryan wrote

This is a response to Obama's speech. Trying to sound reasonable without giving an inch. The devil is always in the details.

Sure we will have another continuing resolution. (Except It will require a 30% reduction in the budget. And Major changes to entitlements, especially Obamacare.)
It isn't in anyone's interest to have a shut down of non essential employees. So let's have the senate and the president agree to our plan.

38 posted on 10/09/2013 1:41:55 PM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: Vince Ferrer
By then so many people may hate it that we can bring it up again and kill it finally, with plenty of public support.

In 100 years time, people haven't been able to kill income taxes.

39 posted on 10/09/2013 1:42:14 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Fido969

He’s a lightweight.

It’s wisdom that kept people from going out and voting for these two characters.


40 posted on 10/09/2013 1:42:18 PM PDT by stanne
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To: tsowellfan
His FB page is overrun with Dems claiming that the Tea party and the Republicans are obstructionist and praising Ryan for this move.
41 posted on 10/09/2013 1:42:37 PM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: Pietro
What is Ryan trying to do? Declare surrender on the cusp of victory?

It appears to me he's trying to suck up to the enemy because he thinks we're going to lose. He's just proving he never intended to win this. The so-called "shutdown" is doing an excellent job of smoking out the Vichy Republicans.

42 posted on 10/09/2013 1:42:44 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: bestintxas

I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt that he’s not a RINO but is instead a miguided politician who is thinking about his future pathway rather than recognizing the constitutional crisis we’re in. There’s no more give, Ryan... no more give.


43 posted on 10/09/2013 1:43:21 PM PDT by Frapster (frak)
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To: stanne

Reelection.


44 posted on 10/09/2013 1:43:24 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: bestintxas

Yeah, this is the guy that was put on the ticket as supposedly the “conservative” counterbalance to Romney! And just months after the election, Ryan is all over the place, pushing amnesty and endorsing homo adoption. Now add Obamacare into the mix!

Is it any wonder I have now gone from a longtime and exclusive GOP voter/supporter to someone who has nothing but INTENSE and MASSIVE distrust towards the Republican Party? As if the first big clue, the backstabbing of Palin, wasn’t enough to wake me up... the betrayals of Rubio and Ryan certainly sealed things.


45 posted on 10/09/2013 1:43:47 PM PDT by greene66
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To: bestintxas

Wow! What a disappointment HE turned out to be! The GOP must have some special Quisling School where they send their contenders to be neutered and spayed.


46 posted on 10/09/2013 1:44:07 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: bestintxas
Let us put ourselves in Obama's head and consider that there are three possibilities here:

1. Obama wants a shutdown and a crisis and perhaps an economic meltdown. Evidence of this is his intractability in declining even to negotiate when Republicans were begging him for a fig leaf so they could surrender. He wants a calamity as an opportunity for transformation.

2. Obama wants a growing economy as a measure of his legacy and fears a shutdown just as his rhetoric says he does.

3. Obama wants to create a crisis so that he can unilaterally extend the debt limit thus violating the Constitution and usurping the Article 1 power of the purse from Congress.

If Obama's state of mind is accurately expressed in option #1, no amount of maneuvering or surrendering will divert him from extending the shutdown and busting the debt limit. The only thing left for the Republicans to salvage at that point will be to position themselves to avoid blame and survive politically in the fallout.

If Obama's state of mind is accurately expressed in option #2, there is a possibility for real negotiation and that means not that Republicans should be looking for ways to surrender but for ways to expand their victory. Paul Ryan obviously has no interest in derailing Obamacare and he is fixated on his original budget balancing crusade. He is right in the long run and very wrong in the short run. Who wins the negotiation depends on two factors, who refrains from blinking and who wins the public-relations battle. The winner of the public-relations battle can actually have both the modification of Obamacare and substantial rationalization of the budget.

If Obama's state of mind is accurately expressed in option #3, he probably dealing out of hubris and nothing will stop or deter him from his chosen course. If he is strong enough to unilaterally extend the debt limit and get away with it, I think the Republicans will have broken and Obama will finish his term as top dog.


47 posted on 10/09/2013 1:45:05 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Vince Ferrer

I’m with you...let 0bamacare kick in right now, let the people get bitchslapped into reality, and then let next November become the year of a senate takeback.


48 posted on 10/09/2013 1:46:00 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (The 0baMao Experiment: Abject Failure)
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To: henkster

You have to understand who the Ryans and Rubios really answer to, and it isn’t anyone in Congress.


49 posted on 10/09/2013 1:46:25 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: CatherineofAragon

“One of these days, I’ll vote for a Republican who doesn’t make me end up regretting it.”

I already have. His name is Ted Cruz


50 posted on 10/09/2013 1:47:13 PM PDT by bestintxas (Anyone who votes for Obama after these 4 miserable years needs to take a mandatory citizenship test.)
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