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Ryan Drops All Obamacare Demands in WSJ Op-Ed
breitbart ^ | 10/9/13 | ben shapiro

Posted on 10/09/2013 1:27:43 PM PDT by bestintxas

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To: Timber Rattler

He hasn’t fallen from anywhere. This has always been how he operates. Just look at his record. He’s not there to “represent” anyone other than the people feathering his nest with a nice lobbyist job waiting for him after he leaves congress.


101 posted on 10/09/2013 4:06:59 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: bestintxas
RINO season is open: Paula Ryan RNIO just moved up in the ten most hunted RINO’s in the US Congress!

FU Ryan, you and your RINO buddies can all go to hell, this is exactly why this Nation is on autopilot when it comes to spending our tax dollars, yet, RINO’s cry a river anytime a congress (Tea Party) member stands up and represents the interest of the American people and demand defunding Obamacare, demand a budget, and demands the government operate within its budget.

FU Ryan, you have thrown in the towel before the real fight even begins!

102 posted on 10/09/2013 4:32:17 PM PDT by PotatoChop (Respect is earned, not demanded by this out of control socialist government!)
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To: Starboard
My thought as well. He’s been compromised in some way, just like Roberts.

I would believe that w/o factoring in the NSA spying. Factor in the NSA and I believe it's a given.

103 posted on 10/09/2013 4:33:09 PM PDT by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: South40

He has always been GOP-E. Big time.


104 posted on 10/09/2013 4:36:25 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: bestintxas

He’s a CINO. It’s a mystery why FR endorsed Ryan and Mittens when JimRob swore up & down he wouldn’t ever do such a thing.


105 posted on 10/09/2013 4:38:49 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: bestintxas

ObamaCare is a massive violation of so many parts of the constitution, and it is the hill we should be willing to (figuratively) die on. ObamaCare alone gives the fedgov more power over our lives than all fedgov’s other unconstitutional activities combined. This must be killed, and then we can work on the rest of fedgov’s problems. I’m okay with shutting down fedgov for the next three years (or three decades) if necessary to stop ObamaCare.

As for Ryan, bad call on his part. Very bad call.


106 posted on 10/09/2013 4:58:55 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: bestintxas

Paul Ryan makes Jack Kemp, a well-known caver, look pretty good.


107 posted on 10/09/2013 5:32:02 PM PDT by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!")
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To: jmaroneps37

Dan Quayle really looks good in retrospect compared to Ryan.


108 posted on 10/09/2013 5:34:00 PM PDT by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!")
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To: Gene Eric

Maybe he has been programmed by Joe Biden to whom he was so deferential one night in October 2012.


109 posted on 10/09/2013 5:35:02 PM PDT by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!")
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To: Theodore R.

Quayle always was good.

He would have made a good president.


110 posted on 10/09/2013 5:35:29 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: stanne

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


111 posted on 10/09/2013 5:47:32 PM PDT by madison10
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To: bestintxas

paul ryan has been dead to me a long time ago.

this just yet again vindicates my decision.


112 posted on 10/09/2013 5:48:41 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Wouldn’t it be something? I’m so sick of having RINOs forced on me! McLame and Mittens. Enough is enough. I WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANOTHER RINO! I can’t take it anymore.


113 posted on 10/09/2013 5:56:03 PM PDT by opres
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To: opres

Agree....I have had it. Might as well register as a Dem if we’re going to keep doing that.


114 posted on 10/09/2013 6:06:52 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: CatherineofAragon

Never Dem, but if it’s another RINO I will either vote third party or write in. I WILL NOT VOTE FOR CHRIS CHRISTIE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. He has to be stopped in the primary!


115 posted on 10/09/2013 7:40:52 PM PDT by opres
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To: 1010RD; bert

I would have to concur with this. I think the problem with Ryan is that he is a politician first and foremost so he has to concern himself with PR relations and public opinion and he, I presume, did not get the public opinion on his side in this.

I still consider this a letdown of sorts, but I can understand where Ryan is coming from. The Tea party might need to win a majority in the House and Senate before they can get achieve all of their political goals. Not saying this makes Ryan particularly reliable, as he has show himself to be yet another career politician, but I think some level of realistic assessment is needed.

If the Tea Party starts relying on politicians of any kind to do their heavy lifting for them, this is not even scratching the surface as far as the letdowns and heartbreaks they will have to endure.


116 posted on 10/09/2013 8:33:15 PM PDT by freedom462
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To: bestintxas

Yeah Paul, go after those people on Medicare and SS instead of going after the POS called ObamaCare.

Great winning strategy there.


117 posted on 10/09/2013 8:34:34 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: bestintxas

For guys like Ryan, rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic would be too controversial. A little dusting of the chairs is about the best they can manage.


118 posted on 10/09/2013 8:35:55 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: oldbrowser

So are you saying you agree with how Ryan is putting this or do you completely object to it?


119 posted on 10/09/2013 8:42:58 PM PDT by freedom462
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To: All

blackmail?


120 posted on 10/09/2013 8:42:59 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory

I would not rule out the possibility.

For all of Ryan’s faults, he gained a lot of exposure on the budget debates when he completely called out Obama and made the guy look like a mega chump on the Congressional floor. Perhaps Obama, in his Chicago gangster mentality, took it as a personal dis and used the IRS and NSA to have Ryan “taken care of” so to speak? Sort of liek a mafia boss being told by a rival that he is gonna start encroaching on his turf? And so Ryan’s talk of caving and compromise is a result of this?

Again, can’t rule out that this is at least partly why Ryan has been acting like this lately.


121 posted on 10/09/2013 8:47:41 PM PDT by freedom462
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To: freedom462
So are you saying you agree with how Ryan is putting this or do you completely object to it?

I am saying that this is a political move to throw this out to the media. He is playing the same game as Obama. Make a general statement that sounds like you're trying to work with the other side. When in reality you are only willing to work with the other side if you get everything you want.

That was basically what Obama said and now Ryan is responding with a similar comment.

122 posted on 10/09/2013 8:57:30 PM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: oldbrowser

I would concur with that. I also think that this should not come as a surprise to anyone who has ever been closely following Ryan; from the start he has always been at best a hybrid between authentic conservative and GOP establishment type. His support base, i think, often came from the fact that he was often way ahead of there most other Republicans were in terms of actually articulating ideas.


123 posted on 10/09/2013 8:59:58 PM PDT by freedom462
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To: bestintxas
What is with this guy? Paul Ryan has turned into an absolute RAT Bastard (usually a description I use for liberal demoRATs), advocate for 0dumbo and the demoRATs. From gay marriage to amnesty for illegal aliens to caving on 0dumb0care and now caving on the debt ceiling, Ryan is turning into the John McCain of the House. Every one of the positions he is now taking falls precisely into the playbook of radical leftist demoRATs, like Pelosi, Reid & 0dumb0!

Ryan simply needs to STFU from now until after the 2014 election. And BTW, I hope this turncoat gets primaried & thrown out, and let a true conservative serve in his place.

124 posted on 10/09/2013 9:00:15 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: fwdude
He did horribly in a debate against Mr. Foot-in-Mouth, which should have been a slam dunk, but wasn’t.

You got that absolutely right! The dumbest buffoon in Congress (House & Senate) was and is Joe "Stand up Chuck" Bite-me Biden. But with his obnoxious behavior & smirking & cutting Ryan off at will, Biden made mince meat out of Ryan, and Ryan just stood there with a stupid grin on his face for most of the debate. What a loser! And I mean Paul Ryan!

125 posted on 10/09/2013 9:12:41 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: informavoracious

The “manufacturing” of dirt is the most frightening. And if “someone” tells the media something about somebody, the media will run with it. To hell with checking facts.


126 posted on 10/09/2013 11:03:02 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: bestintxas

The only “Common Ground” I want to have with the Democrats is that ground in which we bury them forever.

I’ll supply the worms and Dung Beetles.


127 posted on 10/09/2013 11:59:40 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Cyber Liberty
"Vichy Republicans"

Excellent descripter!

128 posted on 10/10/2013 4:12:41 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: bestintxas

WHAT A DOOFUS!! We are WINNING! Paging Bill Bennett!!


129 posted on 10/10/2013 4:31:06 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Personally, I agree with your strategy. Let the people get the full wind of this Affordable Health Care Act and they will rise up. Ryan also knows, that the democrats won’t go for any tax or entitlement reform...

I say, using Obamacare as leverage is a good idea. Let’s take it off the table...but ask for cuts in return.

It’s a good strategy.

“We have it in our power to begin the world over again. A situation, similar to the present, hath not happened since the days of Noah until now.” Thomas Paine


130 posted on 10/10/2013 4:53:03 AM PDT by nikos1121 (“We have it in our power to begin the world over again. A situation, similar to the present, hath n)
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To: Pietro

I can’t take credit for that. I think it was Mark Levin.


131 posted on 10/10/2013 7:10:24 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: freedom462

I too would concur...if I hadn’t seen these dipshits, time and time again, clutch defeat.

Instead of ‘no, we will NEVER allow you to economically enslave the Citizens of the U.S./subvert XYZ of the Constitution’, they come out of the gate with ‘Well, OK, 60% of what you want. NOW, let’s compromise’ B.S.

Paul’s 10yr+ ‘budget’ was/is a joke as well


132 posted on 10/10/2013 8:35:49 AM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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To: bestintxas

Et tu, Paul RINO?


133 posted on 10/10/2013 8:49:30 AM PDT by Guttlekraw
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To: i_robot73

Fair enough. I concur that the vast majority of the time, even when we elect leaders with the explicit purpose of representing our interests, they inevitably become career politicians. They set out to change DC and instead, DC changes them, that certainly happens time and time again.

That said, there will always still be limits to what politicians of any kind, even the most principled and fearless, can do for us. And so relying on any of them too accomplish too many of our goals will end on more and more letdowns. I had thought this was one of the fundamental principles the Tea Party was founded on in the first place to be honest.


134 posted on 10/10/2013 9:28:37 AM PDT by freedom462
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To: rcrngroup

To be fair though, that would have happened to the vast majority of Republicans provided they were not experienced in dealing the the Biden style of debate. SO I did not really hold that against him so much as that was more lack of experience.

But I concur that his stance now is problematic on many levels.


135 posted on 10/10/2013 10:09:05 AM PDT by freedom462
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