Posted on 10/09/2013 2:50:18 PM PDT by JOAT
Fortunately, we are not limited to choosing a single theory. Most of the circumstantial evidence directs us to a Kenya birth; however, this from someone who is familiar with his college years is quite interesting and plausible. It is doubtful o was thinking of the highest office in the land when he applied to college, more likely that he might simply become involved in politics in some fashion.
Other than bad grades that would have precluded Harvard Law or classification as a foreign student, there is no apparent reason to conceal college transcripts or federal student funding records.
Regardless of where he was born, many of us subscribe to the foreign student aspect and believe that could resolve the issue of fraud.
Thanks for this, JOAT
I was going to say “half white” but your reply is superior.
If Obama was a natural born US Citizen why would the DNC go to such trouble to leave out the qualifiying constitutional language in the DNC nomination certifications sent to 40 of the 50 states.
The DNC drafted, signed and notarized TWO slightly different versions of their Official Certification of Nomination documents, not one.
One of those documents had complete legal language, and one of them was missing the text concerning the constitutional eligibility of Barack Hussein Obama.
The version which is absent any certification of constitutional standing for the office of President is the version that the DNC filed with every state in the country except Hawaii. However, the one the DNC files in Hawaii had the qualifying constitutional language IN the document!
Curiously, the State of Hawaii Nomination Certification that the Hawaii Democratic Committee filed with the state presenting Hawaii's certification of Obama's eligibility did NOT contain the constitutional qualifying language.
Why would the DNC and the Hawaii Democratic Committee go to such trouble to present false documents if Obama was constitutionally qualified?
Beck is missing the mark on this issue.
Should be 49 of the 50 states.
According to Breitbart's Ben Shapiro, Obama's literary agent firm, Dystel & Goderich, didn't get around to correcting the Kenyan birth detail until sometime between April 3, 2007 and April 21, 2007. That was based on a search of the Wayback Machine. Zero launched his presidential campaign in February 2007.
I can't imagine that the source of the Kenyan birth factoid could have been anyone other than Obama himself. He obviously thought it was a useful component of the legend he was trying to build. He probably simply forgot it was still out there waiting to be found by Google. I wonder who reminded him that it wasn't useful in a presidential campaign?
I don't buy the stuff about applying as a foreign student with an Indonesian or Kenyan passport. I don't think he needed to do that. Columbia and Harvard probably thought he was the ideal affirmative action applicant. Black. Unusual international background. And, as Slow Joe Biden said, "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
bkmk
The number one reason to not like Glenn Beck.
Assuming he was conceived by the Kenyan.
We are victims of our own racial guilt.
PFL
Yeah, but it doesn’t really count for much of a scandal. Obama padding or fudging his college application just isn’t much worth talking about given the things we know he’s doing as president. It’s not going to move the needle of his approval rating one iota either way.
In 1990 when Obama was elected President of the Harvard Law Review there were a bunch of articles about him in major newspapers. They all listed Hawaii as his place of birth.
Here’s the New York Times article:
First Black Elected to Head Harvard’s Law Review
By FOX BUTTERFIELD, Special to The New York Times
Published: February 06, 1990
The Harvard Law Review, generally considered the most prestigious in the country, elected the first black president in its 104-year history today. The job is considered the highest student position at Harvard Law School.
The new president of the Review is Barack Obama, a 28-year-old graduate of Columbia University who spent four years heading a community development program for poor blacks on Chicago’s South Side before enrolling in law school. His late father, Barack Obama, was a finance minister in Kenya and his mother, Ann Dunham, is an American anthropologist now doing fieldwork in Indonesia. Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii.
‘’The fact that I’ve been elected shows a lot of progress,’’ Mr. Obama said today in an interview. ‘’It’s encouraging.
‘’But it’s important that stories like mine aren’t used to say that everything is O.K. for blacks. You have to remember that for every one of me, there are hundreds or thousands of black students with at least equal talent who don’t get a chance,’’ he said, alluding to poverty or growing up in a drug environment.
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http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/06/us/first-black-elected-to-head-harvard-s-law-review.html
The majority of the people? Less than 1/2 of of one percent have even been exposed to the issue.
Supreme Court cases that cite “natural born Citizen” as one born on U.S. soil to citizen parents:
The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)
Vattel, who, though not very full to this point, is more explicit and more satisfactory on it than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, says: “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.
Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 3 Pet. 242 242 (1830)
Ann Scott was born in South Carolina before the American revolution, and her father adhered to the American cause and remained and was at his death a citizen of South Carolina. There is no dispute that his daughter Ann, at the time of the Revolution and afterwards, remained in South Carolina until December, 1782. Whether she was of age during this time does not appear. If she was, then her birth and residence might be deemed to constitute her by election a citizen of South Carolina. If she was not of age, then she might well be deemed under the circumstances of this case to hold the citizenship of her father, for children born in a country, continuing while under age in the family of the father, partake of his national character as a citizen of that country. Her citizenship, then, being prima facie established, and indeed this is admitted in the pleadings, has it ever been lost, or was it lost before the death of her father, so that the estate in question was, upon the descent cast, incapable of vesting in her? Upon the facts stated, it appears to us that it was not lost and that she was capable of taking it at the time of the descent cast.
Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857)
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As society cannot perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their parents, and succeed to all their rights.' Again: 'I say, to be of the country, it is necessary to be born of a person who is a citizen; for if he be born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country. . . .
Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)
The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.
United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)
At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.
Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939),
Was a decision by the Supreme Court of the United States that a child born in the United States to naturalized parents on U.S. soil is a natural born citizen and that the child's natural born citizenship is not lost if the child is taken to and raised in the country of the parents' origin, provided that upon attaining the age of majority, the child elects to retain U.S. citizenship "and to return to the United States to assume its duties." Not only did the court rule that she did not lose her native born Citizenship but it upheld the lower courts decision that she is a "natural born Citizen of the United States" because she was born in the USA to two naturalized U.S. Citizens.
But the Secretary of State, according to the allegation of the bill of complaint, had refused to issue a passport to Miss Elg 'solely on the ground that she had lost her native born American citizenship.' The court below, properly recognizing the existence of an actual controversy with the defendants [307 U.S. 325, 350] (Aetna Life Ins. Co. v. Haworth, 300 U.S. 227 , 57 S.Ct. 461, 108 A.L.R. 1000), declared Miss Elg 'to be a natural born citizen of the United States' (99 F.2d 414) and we think that the decree should include the Secretary of State as well as the other defendants. The decree in that sense would in no way interfere with the exercise of the Secretary's discretion with respect to the issue of a passport but would simply preclude the denial of a passport on the sole ground that Miss Elg had lost her American citizenship."
The Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”.
"The citizenship of no man could be previous to the declaration of independence, and, as a natural right, belongs to none but those who have been born of citizens since the 4th of July, 1776."....David Ramsay, 1789.
A Dissertation on Manner of Acquiring Character & Privileges of Citizen of U.S.-by David Ramsay-1789
Here’s the 1990 Chicago Tribune article about Obama and the Harvard Law Review which also lists Hawaii as his place of birth:
Activist In Chicago Now Heads Harvard Law Review
February 07, 1990|By Michael J. Ybarra.
Just a few years ago, Barack Obama was helping residents of the Altgeld Gardens housing development challenge the Chicago Housing Authority over asbestos in their apartments.
On Monday, the 28-year-old Obama was named president of the Harvard Law Review, the nation`s most prestigious student legal journal. Obama is the first black elected to the post in its 104-year history.
The Review is considered one of the most authoritative of the law school reviews and is a forum for judges and scholars. It is also a high-powered springboard for aspiring lawyers. Its presidents usually go on serve as a clerk for a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for a year and then as a clerk for an associate justice of the U.S. Supreme Court.
It took 91 years to elect a woman, and it wasn`t until last year that an Asian was elected by his fellow editors to the position.
For Obama, it`s another victory in the fight against ``powerlessness.``
``People don`t feel that they can have much impact,`` he said in a phone interview from the Review`s offices. ``I want to get people involved in having a say in how their lives are run. More and more of that needs to be done.``
As executive director of the Developing Communities Project, he had attempted to persuade the residents of Altgeld Gardens to become more involved in their community. Obama worked for the Developing Communities Project for four years.
``I`ll never forget the amount of feeling he showed,`` recalled Johnnie Owens, who became the group`s director when Obama left for law school in 1988. ``He honestly evaluated his performance and made up his mind to do better.``
Born in Hawaii to the late Barack Obama, once a finance minister in Kenya, and Ann Dunham, an American anthropologist, Obama went to Columbia University before moving to Chicago to work as a community organizer.
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http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1990-02-07/news/9001110408_1_ann-dunham-chicago-housing-authority-barack-obama
I read this earlier this week. I disagree that he is American born. I do agree he is a fraud and a liar, but I believe his Grandma in Kenya had no reason to lie that she saw his birth. I think Obama’s typical white grandma was whacked because she also knew he was not eligible.
That said, I still think we will never know the truth for years.
This is an article by Wayne Allen Root.
This is certainly OLD news to me. It’s been obvious since we first HEARD of barry.
I’m surprised that this is the first time - 5 yrs into his presidency, that SOMEONE has actually proposed the idea of this truth.
Please I didn’t need your dissertation, I have read through similar stuff ad nauseum. I was merely stating a possability as to their strategy. Admittedly not as clear as I like to write my comments.
Never the less, the many people not knowing, not caring, or having a different opinion regarding the issue, the point is, if they won the election, then they could say that the majority of the voters obviously had spoken to the issue.
Afterall the consent of the governed and all that-who is going to overturn an election? Not the judicial system that’s for sure.
As to the issue itself, yes many people have not even been exposed to the issue. Many on this very website do not believe that it takes 2 citizen parents to fulfill the natural born requirement.
I made no comment as to my belief one way or the other, not wanting the actual definition to become the topic, as I was just trying to discuss the strategy that may have been followed.
The man’s a fraud and a liar, and obviously has lots to hide. It for one, would love for the freakin’ press to do it’s job and investigate who and what he really is. They may yet do so a few decades from now, though I am hoping after he is out of office, it will be sooner rather than later.
The majority of the people? Less than 1/2 of of one percent have even been exposed to the issue.
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One additional point could be made. If less that 1/2 of one percent have even been exposed to the issue, that means that the majority of the people don’t care enough to be informed by doing research from many sources.
So yes, the majority apparently either disagree or don’t care.
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