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Cruz promises Republican victory in shutdown fight
cnn.com ^ | October 5th, 2013 | Peter Hamby

Posted on 10/10/2013 9:24:48 AM PDT by SoConPubbie

Richmond, Virginia (CNN) - Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, blamed by Democrats and some of his fellow Republicans as a chief architect of the ongoing government shutdown, struck back on Saturday, faulting President Obama and Senate Democrats for the political stalemate.

“Let me be very clear, I don’t think we should be in a shutdown,” Cruz said in a speech to conservatives in the Virginia state capital. “Throughout the course of it, I have said we should not shut down the government. But sadly this is Harry Reid’s and President Obama's shutdown.”

. . .

In the run-up to the shutdown, Cruz - whose profile has risen considerably among conservatives since taking office this year - had lobbied Republicans in the House and Senate not to relent, even as the president was promising not to sign any bill that would alter "Obamacare."

Cruz reminded the audience that House Republicans have passed multiple “narrowly targeted continuing resolutions” to fund parts of the government as negotiations continue, but he criticized Democrats for refusing to pass them.

He said Senate Democrats are “dug in.”

“We are in the midst of a battle,” Cruz said. “Their position is untenable right now.”

. . .

“How do we win?” he asked. “If you trust the media, if you trust the voices in Washington, if you even trust, god forbid, some of the elected Republicans in Washington, they say we can’t win this fight. The only way to win this fight is the way we won every other fight throughout the history of the republic, which is solutions don’t come from Washington, D.C., they come from the people.”

“Career politicians in both parties have gotten us into this mess,” he said. “But it’s going to be the American people who get us out.”

(Excerpt) Read more at politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com ...


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1 posted on 10/10/2013 9:24:48 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie; shetlan; leapfrog0202; Art in Idaho; milkncookies; Qwackertoo; Cheerio; ...

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2 posted on 10/10/2013 9:25:49 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

Cruz is the man for President!!


3 posted on 10/10/2013 9:29:34 AM PDT by ZULU (Impeach that Bastard Barrack Hussein Obama)
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To: SoConPubbie

Finally, a Republican who tells it as it is!


4 posted on 10/10/2013 9:30:29 AM PDT by definitelynotaliberal (Go, Cruz! Go!)
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To: SoConPubbie

Ouch! This is gonna leave a few more marks!

Give 'em he##, Ted! So proud to call you MY Senator.

5 posted on 10/10/2013 9:31:42 AM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: SoConPubbie

I like what Cruz says, and I admire his courage, but here’s the problem:

“Career politicians in both parties have gotten us into this mess,” he said. “But it’s going to be the American people who get us out.”

Fine, ok Senator - other than mouthing platitudes, what exactly do you or “we” need to do? Thus far, we sit and watch but little changes.

Enough platitudes. What is the plan?


6 posted on 10/10/2013 9:33:36 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: SoConPubbie

There already has been a victory of sorts.

We heard from the establishment, “Obamacare is the law of the land, Romney lost, we didn’t retake the senate, there’s nothing we can do. Oh, well. That was a fun fight. Let’s get back to business as usual and let the government grow and continue to enslave the people. Time for lunch!” The basic, aw shucks attitude.

But thanks to Cruz and Lee, Obamacare is not quietly being implemented. It has been brought once again out in the open, and is a disaster for all to see. And it is an enormous millstone around the democrats necks and the moderates that assist them.

The people are watching. And bright sunshine has been shed on the charades.


7 posted on 10/10/2013 9:35:39 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: SoConPubbie
I don't hear a promise of victory in those quotes by Cruz. Maybe it was in the linked article. It seems to me he is saying with the people's support, we can win. That is true, and it is also true that with the GOPe working hard to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, the effort could result in disaster. To cave would so dispirit conservatives that they will not show up in 2014 and the House will go to the Democrats. Then, the GOPe braintrust will blame Cruz.

Fight, and fight, and fight, against the implementation of Obamacare, take it to the people, and the people will turn out in droves to support the leaders of that fight.

Boehner fears the default. Make Obama fear the default. Spend two weeks educating the American people on the amount of revenue coming in every month, speak of it every day, stand on the capital steps and shout at Obama about it, and then tell Obama if he fails to pay America's creditors even though there is money available, you, Boehner, will personally file the articles of impeachment for intentionally destroying America's economy over a socialist program the American people don't want. That is what a winner would do.

8 posted on 10/10/2013 9:36:12 AM PDT by Defiant (GOPe Strategy: We have to fund Obamacare in order to see how bad it is. Good idea, guys!)
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To: bigbob
Fine, ok Senator - other than mouthing platitudes, what exactly do you or “we” need to do? Thus far, we sit and watch but little changes.

Enough platitudes. What is the plan?


Then you haven't been paying attention now, have you?!

Every step of the way on this battle Senator Cruz has laid out his plan in simple terms that anyone can understand.

He has stated continually that the end game was for the House to do their constitutional duty (Budgeting) and defund Obamacare.

It was his plan to send up individual CRs each funding a separate function of government and let the Democrats own the problem. By doing this, and not including any funding for Obamacare, it shuts up the Democrats mouths that the GOP wants to shut the government down and it effectively kills Obamacare.

The added benefit of his approach is that it has smoked out the cockroaches in the GOP who pretend to be against Obamacare with their mouths, but now have nowhere to hide, because their backs are up against the wall.

It has also rallied the base, the Tea-Party in advance of the 2014 elections.

Ultimately, however, this plan requires some manhood, some political courage from the GOP Senate and House members to be successful.
9 posted on 10/10/2013 9:39:10 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie
Meanwhile, Paul Ryan wants to cave
10 posted on 10/10/2013 9:39:59 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Please add me to the Ping List.

Thank you!


11 posted on 10/10/2013 9:41:53 AM PDT by Batman11 (Obama is not American.. he has no clue what it is to be American.)
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To: Batman11

Done!


12 posted on 10/10/2013 9:42:52 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

OK, sure he’s only one guy, and if the House fails to do it’s job (which is seeming more likely, given the latest rhetoric), there’s not going to be any defunding.

I’ll give him this - ultimately it’s up to We the People, at the ballot box. I was looking for a little more clarity as to how he intends to change the defunding talk into action, although it’s clear that won’t happen without the strong support of the House to send over piecemeal funding resolutions. Maybe I’m overly influenced by past behavior, but I just don’t see them doing that.

So I guess I get it. Cruz’s plan is to smoke out those who support Obamacare and our job is to vote them out. A lot depends on 2014.


14 posted on 10/10/2013 9:46:11 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: bigbob

Mass civil disobedience is the best strategy. Look what the brave people of Cairo achieved in getting rid of the tyrant Morsi.


15 posted on 10/10/2013 9:46:35 AM PDT by expat2
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To: expat2

I’d feel more confident in that approach than with depending on House “leadership” to do the right thing. As demonstrated by this, just posted:

“House Speaker John A. Boehner said Thursday he’ll offer President Obama the short-term debt increase the White House has demanded in exchange for a framework that will open up negotiations on spending and broader budget issues”.

And so the caving begins...


16 posted on 10/10/2013 9:48:50 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: bigbob
So I guess I get it. Cruz’s plan is to smoke out those who support Obamacare and our job is to vote them out. A lot depends on 2014.

I think that was his fall-back plan.

I think his first priority was to light a fire under their collective, lying, cowardly butts by using the anger of their constituents to try and force them to do the right thing, and lacking that, provide enough proof and ammunition to their constituents for the 2014 elections, to kick them out if they refused to do the right thing.
17 posted on 10/10/2013 9:51:38 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

“But it’s going to be the American people who get us out.”

Ah yes, the American people. Quite the enigma are we.
For every voter like my mother who thinks FDR was the greatest president, there are those like my father who voted for Reagan-most likely the first Republican for whom he did vote.

For every young voter who has spent years being indoctrinated to “feel” as opposed to “think” there are those like my son who just got his first job and now will be asked to help fund this mess with his taxes.

For every “gimmedat” who votes for a continuation of such policies, there are those who get up every day like my husband to work to fund those very people who think it is a right to demand the prosperity of others.

For every voter who worships at the altar of his/her particular idol (be it union/gender politics/race politics) and votes accordingly, there are many others who try to live by the Judeo/Christian model and vote in accordance with that.

Yes, the American people. A divided lot are we. Have the scales tipped back in the direction to begin a restoration? Are the numbers in our favor?


18 posted on 10/10/2013 9:55:55 AM PDT by karatemom
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To: Defiant

Conservatives will HAVE to show up in 2014 regardless of what happens. They have to keep bringing the fight regardless of what happens. As it is, the lines have been drawn as firmly as possible with principled conservatives on one side and all the opposition on another. If they back out in 2014 it is gonna lead to a complete hard left takeover.

At the moment, it is not clear that the GOP is equipped with leaders who can properly deal with the default hysteria and can properly articulate that Obama is responsible for defaulting and not them. And so it is gonna fall on ordinary American conservatives to do so if they want to keep the fight going past the debt ceiling deadline. And if they can’t, they still have to show up in full force in 2014. The idea that they will give up in 2014 if they don;t get all their goals is extremely troubling; it shows a complete lack of fighting spirit. And if we don’t have fighting spirit, how exactly can we expect any politician we elect to represent us to have fighting spirit for us?


19 posted on 10/10/2013 10:01:29 AM PDT by freedom462
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To: SoConPubbie

so a GOP cave will have the additional “benefit” of making Cruz out to be crazy and/or a liar?


20 posted on 10/10/2013 10:01:38 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SoConPubbie
Then you haven't been paying attention now, have you?!

Every step of the way on this battle Senator Cruz has laid out his plan in simple terms that anyone can understand.

He has stated continually that the end game was for the House to do their constitutional duty (Budgeting) and defund Obamacare.

It was his plan to send up individual CRs each funding a separate function of government and let the Democrats own the problem. By doing this, and not including any funding for Obamacare, it shuts up the Democrats mouths that the GOP wants to shut the government down and it effectively kills Obamacare.

The added benefit of his approach is that it has smoked out the cockroaches in the GOP who pretend to be against Obamacare with their mouths, but now have nowhere to hide, because their backs are up against the wall.

It has also rallied the base, the Tea-Party in advance of the 2014 elections.

Ultimately, however, this plan requires some manhood, some political courage from the GOP Senate and House members to be successful.


Simply because it needs repeating, since so many don't seem to get it.
21 posted on 10/10/2013 10:01:43 AM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: freedom462
Conservatives will HAVE to show up in 2014 regardless of what happens.

Count me out. I will vote for Tea Party candidates only. I have held my nose and voted for our idiot over their's, one too many times already. It is clear that the establishment Republicans are every bit the enemy of this country as the Democrats (who, at least, are somewhat honest about their goals). A conservative Republican will get my full support. Others need not apply.

And I have a strong feeling that I am far from alone in this sentiment. Lose courage in this battle, and 2014 will be a trainwreck for the GOP.
22 posted on 10/10/2013 10:08:10 AM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: freedom462

I’ve never missed a vote. I am just saying that if Republicans cave on this, I know that the base will be deflated and not show up, putting the House majority in jeopardy. Forget about the Senate. The only excitement will be where Tea Party candidates defeat a RINO (Lindsey Graham, for example), but that does not gain Republican seats. If they hold fast, they will be rewarded, but I think some of them don’t want to win, they prefer to lose gracefully.


23 posted on 10/10/2013 10:10:28 AM PDT by Defiant (GOPe Strategy: We have to fund Obamacare in order to see how bad it is. Good idea, guys!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
so a GOP cave will have the additional “benefit” of making Cruz out to be crazy and/or a liar?

Only if you are a GOP-E member or a LIV (Low Information Voter) or simply a JackAss Democrat.
24 posted on 10/10/2013 10:11:01 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: jjsheridan5

Bump.


25 posted on 10/10/2013 10:11:18 AM PDT by Defiant (GOPe Strategy: We have to fund Obamacare in order to see how bad it is. Good idea, guys!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
so a GOP cave will have the additional “benefit” of making Cruz out to be crazy and/or a liar?

Only if you are a GOP-E member or a LIV (Low Information Voter) or simply a JackAss Democrat.
26 posted on 10/10/2013 10:11:20 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: jjsheridan5

There will be conservative republicans, real conservative republicans, running in 2014 so that is a moot point to begin with. And they will need all the support they can get. Stopping the fight simply over whether or not the House GOP wins or loses this game of chicken is in and of itself showing cowardice and a lack of principle. And if we at the grassroots level show that kind of cowardice and lack of principle, then we really can’t expect any better from ANYONE we elect to represent us in Congress.


27 posted on 10/10/2013 10:12:27 AM PDT by freedom462
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To: onyx

We saw his character. What, 21 hours on that Senate floor and not one chink in his armor?

This is a guy one can count on.


28 posted on 10/10/2013 10:22:09 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: freedom462

Cowardice? The real cowardice lies in voting for establishment Republicans, just so we can pretend that we are actually accomplishing something. As I said, conservative Republicans will have my full support (as will any who fully stand against ObamaCare). But I am not “showing up in force” if my option is to vote for a Democrat, or a Democrat masquerading as a Republican. This does more harm than good, and I can no longer pretend otherwise.


29 posted on 10/10/2013 10:24:04 AM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: Defiant

Fair enough. What do you think Ryan and Cruz and the Tea Party leaders should be saying about the default hysteria? At the moment, there is the whole notion about how debt default will cause complete economic collapse and make us worse off than we were in the 1930s and ruin global economies, and the Senate and WH and their MSM followers are making sure to try and convince the public that the deficit is all the GOP’s fault.

So first off, what is your view on the default hysteria to begin with? Do you think it is mostly just unfounded hysteria to begin with? And how should the House GOP mobilize to counter the debt default hysteria?


30 posted on 10/10/2013 10:26:26 AM PDT by freedom462
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To: Jane Long
I wish WE had a Senator like that;
we have Sen. *itch "Mumbles" McConnell.

31 posted on 10/10/2013 10:27:37 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: jjsheridan5

Understood. What I was getting at was the notion that when real conservatives do show up in 2014 - and they will, not just GOP elite types but real conservatives too - that one should not get out the vote for them either because one has personally giving up. That is the kind of lack of principle I was referring to, NOT the idea that we are somehow obligated to vote for more GOP elites - I did not mean that at all. I was referring to the idea that if the House GOP does not get Obamacare defunded now then it means the Tea Party must drop its fight entirely - that is what I was objecting to.


32 posted on 10/10/2013 10:29:07 AM PDT by freedom462
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To: freedom462
THE ONLY WAY THE USA DEFAULTS ON IT'S DEBT PAYMENT IS BY AN ILLEGAL ACT OF THE CLOWN IN THE WHITE HUT. He has a CONSTUTITONAL obligation to prioritize payments and HAS to make payments on the debt instruments BEFORE the people riding in the wagon get one red cent.

THIS DRIVES THE CLOWN CRAZY BECAUSE IT "REWARDS THE RICH BOND HOLDERS AND PENALIZES HIS WORSHIPPERS"

This is just one more step in CLOWN'S WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION.

America you get the Government that you elected and yes that includes the Weeper of the House has already telegraphed his intention to fully CAVE.
There is a very solid reason I left the GOP in 2006 and I am never coming back. I will only vote for SOLID CONSERVATIVES.
33 posted on 10/10/2013 10:31:51 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: SoConPubbie

The man speaks words directly from our Founders.


34 posted on 10/10/2013 10:32:23 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: SoConPubbie

We need to show support folks!!!!

FReepers know how to fight.


35 posted on 10/10/2013 10:34:05 AM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: bigbob

Why are you not calling our leadership and telling them to fight this evil? THAT is something that you can do... many of us already are.


36 posted on 10/10/2013 10:35:08 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: SoConPubbie

I (and others) contend we have already exceeded the debt limit and did so back in May (or even earlier):

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3049087/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3077242/posts

This is hugh and series!


37 posted on 10/10/2013 10:37:49 AM PDT by castowell (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: karatemom
Yes, the American people.

.............of which, each passing month there are fewer Americans and more foreigners.........

38 posted on 10/10/2013 10:44:54 AM PDT by varon ( para bellum, remove Obama)
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To: onedoug

I completely agree with you.

Senator Cruz is one in a billion.

God bless and keep him.


39 posted on 10/10/2013 10:51:00 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: freedom462

We’re on the same page. As far as I am concerned, the fight over ObamaCare is a fight for the soul of this country, and I believe that we should throw away the worthless consultants, and fight for every inch. I have no intention of giving up, although I am not averse to giving up on the Republican party, should that become necessary.


40 posted on 10/10/2013 10:57:55 AM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: freedom462

2014 is going to be a big win for the tea party and the GOP. Remember, Obama’s not going to be on the ticket, and his main supporters do not show up on mid-term elections.


41 posted on 10/10/2013 11:11:09 AM PDT by skinndogNN
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To: jjsheridan5; SoConPubbie
Every step of the way on this battle Senator Cruz has laid out his plan in simple terms that anyone can understand.

He has stated continually that the end game was for the House to do their constitutional duty (Budgeting) and defund Obamacare.

It was his plan to send up individual CRs each funding a separate function of government and let the Democrats own the problem. By doing this, and not including any funding for Obamacare, it shuts up the Democrats mouths that the GOP wants to shut the government down and it effectively kills Obamacare.

The added benefit of his approach is that it has smoked out the cockroaches in the GOP who pretend to be against Obamacare with their mouths, but now have nowhere to hide, because their backs are up against the wall.

It has also rallied the base, the Tea-Party in advance of the 2014 elections.

Ultimately, however, this plan requires some manhood, some political courage from the GOP Senate and House members to be successful.

-----------------------------------

Simply because it needs repeating, since so many don't seem to get it.

Amen!! Even though it's as clear as it can possibly be ;-)

42 posted on 10/10/2013 11:20:38 AM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: bigbob

43 posted on 10/10/2013 11:36:16 AM PDT by caww
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To: bigbob

Fine, ok Senator - other than mouthing platitudes, what exactly do you or “we” need to do? Thus far, we sit and watch but little changes.

Enough platitudes. What is the plan?


I like Cruz and would vote for him in a NYC minute. But you make very good points and ask very fair questions.


44 posted on 10/10/2013 11:45:34 AM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: cotton1706

There already has been ‘a victory of sorts’.

Cannot be claimed until we have it... there is no victory until the winner crosses the line.

The people may become better informed...but their leverage is unfortunately in the hands of congressional leaders at this point....and there’s no winner if Obamacare is funded.


45 posted on 10/10/2013 11:55:44 AM PDT by caww
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To: tsowellfan; bigbob
I like Cruz and would vote for him in a NYC minute. But you make very good points and ask very fair questions.

Apparently you haven't been paying attention either.

I'm posting the same reply I posted to BigBob, since you apparently have been hiding under a rock during the last month or so.

Every step of the way on this battle Senator Cruz has laid out his plan in simple terms that anyone can understand.

He has stated continually that the end game was for the House to do their constitutional duty (Budgeting) and defund Obamacare.

It was his plan to send up individual CRs each funding a separate function of government and let the Democrats own the problem. By doing this, and not including any funding for Obamacare, it shuts up the Democrats mouths that the GOP wants to shut the government down and it effectively kills Obamacare.

The added benefit of his approach is that it has smoked out the cockroaches in the GOP who pretend to be against Obamacare with their mouths, but now have nowhere to hide, because their backs are up against the wall.

It has also rallied the base, the Tea-Party in advance of the 2014 elections.

Ultimately, however, this plan requires some manhood, some political courage from the GOP Senate and House members to be successful.
46 posted on 10/10/2013 12:07:11 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: hattend
Paul Ryan didn't cave.

The Gov't will still be shut down.

Ryan is budget chair...now why should be not negotiate a budget?

47 posted on 10/10/2013 3:12:09 PM PDT by what's up
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To: SoConPubbie

This thing is a disaster. As open enrollments proceed, people will be looking at him as the modern day Paul Revere


48 posted on 10/10/2013 3:16:47 PM PDT by jersey117
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To: SoConPubbie
He has stated continually that the end game was for the House to do their constitutional duty (Budgeting) and defund Obamacare.

That's called an objective. Not a plan or roadmap to realize it. And "a plan" is the term which I reponded to, not "end game" as you added in your comment. We all know what the end game WAS. The end game is not what's in question, it's how you get there - A Plan. I have been paying attention and I noticed that the term "Defund Obamacare" has morphed into "delay obamacare" which then morphed into nothing even close to defunding ObamaCare permanently.

We're talking about the republican party here so it's more likely a communication problem from their end than it is an anti-ObamaCare, pro-defund Freeper "not paying attention".

If the end game is still to defund ObamaCare as you stated, it's not looking good for us at the moment.

The truth of the matter is, Congress has had the right to defund ObamaCare long ago and continues to have that right, so why not just DEFUND IT?

Here's the comment of the poster and below that my reply to that poster:

Fine, ok Senator - other than mouthing platitudes, what exactly do you or “we” need to do? Thus far, we sit and watch but little changes.

Enough platitudes. What is the plan?

Me: I like Cruz and would vote for him in a NYC minute. But you make very good points and ask very fair questions.

As you can see, the Freeper asked "what is the plan?" and NOT what is the "end game".

So now, SoConPubbie, who's not paying attention?

49 posted on 10/10/2013 8:59:07 PM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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It was his plan to send up individual CRs each funding a separate function of government and let the Democrats own the problem. By doing this, and not including any funding for Obamacare, it shuts up the Democrats mouths that the GOP wants to shut the government down and it effectively kills Obamacare.

First, that's a plan a Senator has for the House. A good plan, yes but the problem is, can the average American name the last individual separate function of government the House most recently passed? Was it the cancer-stricken kids which was more than a week ago? Was it last week's re-opening the war memorials that needed not be closed by the Obama administration in the first place? To vote to re-open the war memorials that Obama closed looks more like the voters are accepting responsability for something they really did not do in the first place.

But that last one along with funding the fumerals of our dead soldiers typically is not included as part of a government shutdown. No vote needed, just a microphone to expose Obama and the democrats in front of the American people.

So, what's the latest individual separate function of government the House most recently passed in this plan?

I can't name it. I simply don't know. Which one was passed yesterday? And today? The day before? The plan was to pass at least one everyday. But that's not where the task of the plan ends. In order for the plan to be effective, after passing each individual separate function they need to run to the microphones and tell those Americans who do not sit in front of CSPAN 24/7 and tell them "it's in Obama's and Harry Reid's lap now" and that's the part missing.

It's a good plan which I have been supporting but that plan does not work unless the American voter is informed about it after each vote. Informing the American people is as important as voting to fund that individual function.

So, again I ask, what individual part of the federal government did the House vote on today "thursday" and yesterday "wednesday" or give me one they passed this week?

And if I can't name one, it's highly doubtful the average Americasn even knows about it.

50 posted on 10/10/2013 9:23:18 PM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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