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Paul Ryan Wants Budget Conference (GOP caves on shutdown?)
Roll Call ^ | 10/10/2013 | Emma Dumain and Niels Lesniewski

Posted on 10/10/2013 9:31:30 AM PDT by Alter Kaker

Updated 12:28 p.m. | House Budget Chairman Paul D. Ryan, R-Wis., told reporters Thursday morning that he intends to go to conference on the budget, signaling the end to one of the year’s greatest impasses between the two parties and chambers.

“We’re gonna start negotiations,” Ryan said. “I intend to go to conference.

“I think when Leader Pelosi said that they would remove all the motions to instruct, that was a good-faith effort to get serious negotiations going,” he continued. “We intend to go to conference on that. As you know, a budget resolution is not sufficient to do all that we need to do, but it’s a step in the right direction.”

Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., flanked by other members of Democratic leadership, announced Oct. 5 that her party was prepared to forfeit its right to offer “motions to instruct” should Republicans name conferees to merge the House and Senate budgets. That removed the threat of forcing Republicans having to take numerous politically difficult but nonbinding votes.

Speaker John A. Boehner made mention of a budget conference as part of an overall offer to President Barack Obama that would extend the debt ceiling for six weeks but not reopen the government.

“What we’re going to do is offer the president the ability to move a temporary increase in the debt ceiling [and] an agreement to go to conference on the budget for his willingness to sit down and discuss with us a way forward to reopen the government and start to deal with America’s pressing problems,” the Ohio Republican said.

Senate Democrats have held the position that both the debt ceiling and the current government shutdown must be addressed before moving into broader negotiations on the top-line spending levels for fiscal 2014 and other budgetary changes.

“We think the only way out of this cycle of constant crises is for the two sides to work together, make some compromises, and get to a fair and responsible long term deal,” Senate Budget Chairwoman Patty Murray said Wednesday. “But it just doesn’t make sense to do that while families and communities are being hurt by this government shutdown and while the threat of a default hangs over our head.”

The Washington Democrat made the comments on the Senate floor while making yet another request for a budget conference committee upon action to avert a default and get the government funded.

“We will sit down and negotiate over anything Republicans want, and we pledge to work as hard as we can, for as long as it takes until we get a fair long-term budget deal to end these constant crises. But first, this current crisis needs to end and the threat of the next one needs to be lifted,” Murray said. “Republicans don’t need a hostage, there are plenty of things Democrats want out of a long term deal that we are very interested in making some compromises for.”


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1 posted on 10/10/2013 9:31:30 AM PDT by Alter Kaker
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To: Alter Kaker

What a flipping moron.


2 posted on 10/10/2013 9:32:56 AM PDT by svcw (Socialism is so great, that it will be forced on you.)
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To: Alter Kaker

Paul Ryan is a craven Coward!

No Fight for principle, just cowardly sniveling in the corner with a white flag.


3 posted on 10/10/2013 9:33:35 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Alter Kaker

The ONLY hostages are the American people,
trapped by the greedy, lazy, whoring, drunk,
treasonous bastards in Congress
unable to read the US Constitution, let alone
the “Affordable Care Act” written by the Senate and
prisoners in US jails, and the Tyrant.


4 posted on 10/10/2013 9:35:46 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Alter Kaker
“We’re gonna start negotiations,” Ryan said. “I intend to go to conference.

Really? With whom are these negotiations going to be with? Obama said he won't negotiate.

GOP is going to cave even as they are winning.

5 posted on 10/10/2013 9:37:33 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: Alter Kaker

This is the same Ryan who was Mitt’s running mate right? Ge I thot he was a conservative...bwahahahaha! they are all alike everyone of them, conservative when they need our vote and something else after we elect them
I have come to conclusion I will only vote for conservatives who not only say they are conservative but ones who once elected continued to maintain conservative principles.
Freegards
LEX


6 posted on 10/10/2013 9:37:44 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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Ryan = Sellout


7 posted on 10/10/2013 9:39:48 AM PDT by InsidiousMongo
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To: Alter Kaker
Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., flanked by other members of Democratic leadership, announced Oct. 5 that her party was prepared to forfeit its right to offer “motions to instruct” should Republicans name conferees to merge the House and Senate budgets.

Pelosi wouldn't lie to us would she? I think it is a blind alley. Pelosi is a hardliner and she won't give up an inch.
But I give Ryan credit for turning over every rock while looking for a solution. The budget is the solution.
The debt limit is the emergency brake on government spending.

8 posted on 10/10/2013 9:40:04 AM PDT by oldbrowser (The debt limit is the emergency brake on government spending)
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To: Alter Kaker

WHO CARES what Paul Ryan wants!?!! He is one person, and shouldn’t be able to dictate to the House Republicans what should happen.


9 posted on 10/10/2013 9:40:45 AM PDT by MNGal
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To: SoConPubbie

This was not a wise move to begin with.

There was no way Obama was going to let his crown jewel be defunded, and no way to put leverage on him.

The Senate will not pass a bill that allows Obamacare to be defunded.

This was a very odd stunt.


10 posted on 10/10/2013 9:41:00 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Alter Kaker

I was skeptical about the CR-defund approach from the start but the idea of leaving Obama-care intact while cutting future SS and/or medicare benefits while increasing short term spending, what Ryan seems to be getting at, leaves me cold.

Ryan : If you want to cut our future retirement entitlements you better cut them some now, and cut Obamacare too.


11 posted on 10/10/2013 9:42:32 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: redgolum

conference committee was always the plan.

load the committee with RINOs and insiders and betray the US people.


12 posted on 10/10/2013 9:42:43 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Alter Kaker

I didn’t expect much from the gutless wonder who got whipped by Joe Biden in the vice presidential debate last fall.


13 posted on 10/10/2013 9:44:15 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: sickoflibs

Once again the GOPe snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.


14 posted on 10/10/2013 9:44:16 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (President Stompyfeet....Priceless.)
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To: MNGal

Ryan is the Budget Committee chairman and a close ally of Boehner’s. That’s why this matters.


15 posted on 10/10/2013 9:44:56 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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16 posted on 10/10/2013 9:45:15 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: MNGal; All
The thing is that Ryan's "turn" here is clearly being orchestrated by Boehner, Cantor, and McCarthy in order to try and undermine the House TEA Party members, with the thinking being that Ryan somehow still carries weight with the national TEA Party movement at large.

In short, they're now using Ryan to do their dirty work on Obamacrae/debt ceiling just like McCain-Schumer used Rubio to do theirs on immigration.

17 posted on 10/10/2013 9:45:24 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: longtermmemmory

RINO’s always panic when it looks like the Democrats might lose something.


18 posted on 10/10/2013 9:46:04 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Alter Kaker

Paul Ryan admitted during the VP debate he hasn’t done anything but work in politics, so I am not surprised. On the other hand, shouldn’t the Republicans be standing in front of every National Park or Monument shouting, “Mr. Obama, open this park!” This is an outstanding opportunity for them to connect with the American people, but all they can do is stab each other in the back.


19 posted on 10/10/2013 9:46:09 AM PDT by Yogafist
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To: oldbrowser

Also Pelosi’s announcement was 5 days ago. That’s Ryan’s excuse?


20 posted on 10/10/2013 9:46:19 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

THEY’D BETTER NOT CAVE ON OBAMACARE!


21 posted on 10/10/2013 9:47:08 AM PDT by JSDude1 (Is John Boehner the Neville Chamberlain of American Politics?)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
This is the same Ryan who was Mitt’s running mate right? Ge I thot he was a conservative...bwahahahaha!

Yes, that is the same guy. I wan't all that certain he was really a conservative, but I did think he was opposed to Obama's "fundamental transformation." The good news is that I am no longer deceived... which I suppose is also the bad news. Oh, well... Bud Day thought John McCain wasn't unworthy of elected office.

We're all wrong now and then.

Mr. niteowl77

22 posted on 10/10/2013 9:47:15 AM PDT by niteowl77 ("There's nothing a vulture hates more than biting into a glass eye.")
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To: Alter Kaker

Exactly. FWIW, call/tweet/FB/email Lyin Ryan...it can’t hurt.


23 posted on 10/10/2013 9:47:29 AM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: redgolum
This was not a wise move to begin with.

There was no way Obama was going to let his crown jewel be defunded, and no way to put leverage on him.


Another Surrender Monkey heard from.

The plan was never to get the Senate or the Zero to go along with this.

The plan was ALWAYS to DEFUND Obamacare, which it is the duty and responsibility of the House, constitutionally, to do.

Senator Cruz's plan was to send multiple CRs to the Senate, each funding single functions of the Government to the exclusion of Obamacre; by doing this, the Democrats and Zero own the problem of the Government Shutdown and the political pressure is on them to compromise.

The only other option is to sit in the corner wimpering about "How elections have consequences" and pretend they can do nothing about it which is a complete lie.

The house has the power of the purse, they can either do what they were elected to do, represent the people who sent them there and look-out for their best interests, or they can look after their own self-interests and their campaign cash.

The choice is real simple.
24 posted on 10/10/2013 9:47:42 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Timber Rattler

“In short, they’re now using Ryan to do their dirty work on Obamacrae/debt ceiling just like McCain-Schumer used Rubio to do theirs on immigration.”

Yes, I know. I think that Paul Ryan’s conservative credentials were completely lost when he began working on immigration reform.


25 posted on 10/10/2013 9:48:21 AM PDT by MNGal
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To: redgolum

In that case, what options does the House GOP have in continuing this fight? If what you said is true, I am still not sure what they can do about it.


26 posted on 10/10/2013 9:48:47 AM PDT by freedom462
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To: Alter Kaker
and to think; while we (held our noses) and voted for Romney / Ryan in '12.
I'm so ashamed; I could have voted for the (U.S.) Constitution Party in '12
...for whatever it was worth.

27 posted on 10/10/2013 9:48:56 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: SoConPubbie

Excellent post. Thank you.


28 posted on 10/10/2013 9:49:32 AM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: JSDude1
THEY’D BETTER NOT CAVE ON OBAMACARE!

That's what this is. You honestly think an Obamacare repeal is going to come out of a Senate conference committee?

29 posted on 10/10/2013 9:50:10 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Fiji Hill

To be fair, Ryan did not get beat on content in that debate. He only ran into trouble because of his lack of experience on political debates at that level and dealing with the hardline leftist style of debating. So it is hard to count that too much against him.

But yes, this is gonna be a serious problem for him unless he can figure out how a solution that will involve actual conservatives achieving the goals they started out with in this fight.


30 posted on 10/10/2013 9:50:54 AM PDT by freedom462
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To: Alter Kaker

What do you think Paul Ryan should be doing right about now? What should his course of action be in your personal opinion?


31 posted on 10/10/2013 9:52:53 AM PDT by freedom462
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To: MNGal
I think that Paul Ryan’s conservative credentials were completely lost when he began working on immigration reform.

Yes, that and his dismal debate with Biden.

32 posted on 10/10/2013 9:54:04 AM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: freedom462

Nice try w/Alinsky playbook, newbie.


33 posted on 10/10/2013 9:54:33 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

He is dead to me.


34 posted on 10/10/2013 9:56:06 AM PDT by informavoracious (Of course I want people to have healthcare, I just didn't know I was the one who would be paying...)
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To: SoConPubbie

Exactly. The house of representatives consist of the citizen’s personal representative. Senators and the President really don’t reflect the will of the people, due to the nature of their elections. The theme that the “Republicans” lost is false. It’s at best debatable, in the sense that a majority of people chose, as their personal representative in DC, a representative running against ObamaCare. This is the correct move, on every level.

As you point out, it is the Representatives’ job to control the purse-strings, and it is their job to represent the people. The “surrender monkeys” are wrong at every level — strategically, politically, ethically, and constitutionally.

Now is the time to make what may be a last stand. The Democrats recognize the stakes involved, and are willing to pursue a scorched earth policy to get it. At stake is the country — either the one that has been the shining city on the hill for over 200 years, or the fundamentally transformed one envisioned by a very malevolent left.


35 posted on 10/10/2013 9:57:51 AM PDT by jjsheridan5
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There is nothing at all wrong with negotiations. How do you expect to end this without being willing to talk to them? Talking to the Democrats is not caving. Voting with the Democrats is caving. The Democrats are talking tough but they are feeling the heat and want to end this too.
36 posted on 10/10/2013 10:02:21 AM PDT by MCF
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To: MCF
There is nothing at all wrong with negotiations. How do you expect to end this without being willing to talk to them? Talking to the Democrats is not caving. Voting with the Democrats is caving. The Democrats are talking tough but they are feeling the heat and want to end this too.

Talk is cheap if you have already caved.
37 posted on 10/10/2013 10:03:30 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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The article doesn’t say anything about a Continuing resolution or the debt ceiling at all. It simply talks about negotiations on a budget.

A lot of knee jerking going on in this thread


38 posted on 10/10/2013 10:07:06 AM PDT by Crimson Elephant
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To: Alter Kaker

What has the Chicago Democrat thugs dug up on Ryan? If they can destroy Gen. Petraeus with his adulterous affair and force Chief Justice Roberts to vote for the blatantly unconstitutional Obama Care law by reportedly questioning the legality of his adopted children, they certainly can blackmail GOP congressmen.
This is the essence of corruption.


39 posted on 10/10/2013 10:09:52 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Crimson Elephant
The article doesn’t say anything about a Continuing resolution or the debt ceiling at all. It simply talks about negotiations on a budget.

Huh? What do you think the Continuing Resolution is? It's a BUDGET resolution.

40 posted on 10/10/2013 10:11:42 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

“I think when Leader Pelosi said that they would remove all the motions to instruct, that was a good-faith effort to get serious negotiations going,.............”

It’s NOT that the Democrats don’t negotiate, but actually there is no such thing as negotiation with a Democrat.

Very naive. Paul Ryan should know this.

Apparently we have novices present on our behalf.


41 posted on 10/10/2013 10:15:02 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Alter Kaker
See Paul Ryan.

See Paul Ryan's portable mattress.

See Paul Ryan's portable red light.

See Paul Ryan's sack pf quarters for making change.

Puke in response to anything Paul Ryan!

42 posted on 10/10/2013 10:16:09 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: Alter Kaker

It doesn’t mean they are passing a CR, it means they are talking about negotiating on the budget. OR one could say they might begin negotiations on funding, which is a CR instead of a budget, since they haven’t had a real budget for years.

But its talking about negotiating what is IN the budget, that doesn’t mean anything right now. People are talking like that means they are caving. It says not such thing.

Now, they MIGHT cave, but THIS article says nothing of the sort.

To get budget changes means negotiations..not sure what people think is going to happen....a money fairy drop out of the sky and wave a wand?


43 posted on 10/10/2013 10:20:31 AM PDT by Crimson Elephant
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To: Crimson Elephant; Alter Kaker
People are talking like that means they are caving. It says not such thing.

That's because "people", which should read informed conservatives, recognize the pattern of caving from multiple historical occurrences with the cowards in the House, especially Boehner an the rest of the so-called "GOP Leadership". They have a well-earned reputation of doing something symbolic, as if it means they are either fighting or conservative, and then caving to the Democrats or GOP-E.
44 posted on 10/10/2013 10:23:57 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: redgolum

It finally forced the enemedia to report on obamacare and report all of the negative garbage that it is. It caused obama’s approval to drop quite a bit. With the source code to their software now leaked by hackers... the entire system is unworkable.


45 posted on 10/10/2013 10:24:06 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: hattend

As heard on Hugh Hewitt’s program yesterday in an interview with Charlie Dent (RINO-PA), it’s clear there are many members of the Republican caucus who think the best way to defund obamacare is to give in on the budget shutdown and debt ceiling, then defeat obamacare through persuasion ... That is, persuade the Democrat Socialists in Congress to support the Republican position. Dent really, truly believes this is the way to defeat obamacare — that this is better than standing firm (audio of the interview is at hughhewitt.com). People this naive — this dumb — shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a position of responsibility.


46 posted on 10/10/2013 10:24:29 AM PDT by glennaro
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To: Alter Kaker

FUPR


47 posted on 10/10/2013 10:25:14 AM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: SoConPubbie
Paul Ryan was obviously a VP plant by the globalist elite ptb. He didn't have enough of a voting record in the HOR yet to show that he's no conservative.

Someone expressed a few months ago "never trust a man who married for his money"

48 posted on 10/10/2013 10:28:00 AM PDT by grania
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To: glennaro


I'd take it a step further, they don't believe this, they know that it will fail, but they think it gives them cover with their base, that they really, really care and are really against it, but what else can they do, sniff, sniff.

They are craven cowards and craven liars, and I think many of them actually, in their hearts, believe that everyone should get Healthcare by law, even if it lowers the standard of care and makes it extremely costly for the producers.

They are socialists at heart and are fearful of their base and of losing campaign cash from big-business and other special interests.
49 posted on 10/10/2013 10:28:36 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: glennaro
Dent really, truly believes this is the way to defeat obamacare — that this is better than standing firm (audio of the interview is at hughhewitt.com).

I'd take it a step further, they don't believe this, they know that it will fail, but they think it gives them cover with their base, that they really, really care and are really against it, but what else can they do, sniff, sniff.

They are craven cowards and craven liars, and I think many of them actually, in their hearts, believe that everyone should get Healthcare by law, even if it lowers the standard of care and makes it extremely costly for the producers.

They are socialists at heart and are fearful of their base and of losing campaign cash from big-business and other special interests.
50 posted on 10/10/2013 10:28:59 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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