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Paul Ryan Wants Budget Conference (GOP caves on shutdown?)
Roll Call ^ | 10/10/2013 | Emma Dumain and Niels Lesniewski

Posted on 10/10/2013 9:31:30 AM PDT by Alter Kaker

Updated 12:28 p.m. | House Budget Chairman Paul D. Ryan, R-Wis., told reporters Thursday morning that he intends to go to conference on the budget, signaling the end to one of the year’s greatest impasses between the two parties and chambers.

“We’re gonna start negotiations,” Ryan said. “I intend to go to conference.

“I think when Leader Pelosi said that they would remove all the motions to instruct, that was a good-faith effort to get serious negotiations going,” he continued. “We intend to go to conference on that. As you know, a budget resolution is not sufficient to do all that we need to do, but it’s a step in the right direction.”

Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., flanked by other members of Democratic leadership, announced Oct. 5 that her party was prepared to forfeit its right to offer “motions to instruct” should Republicans name conferees to merge the House and Senate budgets. That removed the threat of forcing Republicans having to take numerous politically difficult but nonbinding votes.

Speaker John A. Boehner made mention of a budget conference as part of an overall offer to President Barack Obama that would extend the debt ceiling for six weeks but not reopen the government.

“What we’re going to do is offer the president the ability to move a temporary increase in the debt ceiling [and] an agreement to go to conference on the budget for his willingness to sit down and discuss with us a way forward to reopen the government and start to deal with America’s pressing problems,” the Ohio Republican said.

Senate Democrats have held the position that both the debt ceiling and the current government shutdown must be addressed before moving into broader negotiations on the top-line spending levels for fiscal 2014 and other budgetary changes.

“We think the only way out of this cycle of constant crises is for the two sides to work together, make some compromises, and get to a fair and responsible long term deal,” Senate Budget Chairwoman Patty Murray said Wednesday. “But it just doesn’t make sense to do that while families and communities are being hurt by this government shutdown and while the threat of a default hangs over our head.”

The Washington Democrat made the comments on the Senate floor while making yet another request for a budget conference committee upon action to avert a default and get the government funded.

“We will sit down and negotiate over anything Republicans want, and we pledge to work as hard as we can, for as long as it takes until we get a fair long-term budget deal to end these constant crises. But first, this current crisis needs to end and the threat of the next one needs to be lifted,” Murray said. “Republicans don’t need a hostage, there are plenty of things Democrats want out of a long term deal that we are very interested in making some compromises for.”

TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cavein; paulryan; shutdown
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To: skinkinthegrass

The more I read about this, the more I think that we really dodged a bullet in the 2012 election.

Admittedly, it was dodging a bullet by jumping off a cliff...

61 posted on 10/10/2013 10:56:49 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: informavoracious

Hopefully Alan Keyes will move to WI

62 posted on 10/10/2013 11:00:06 AM PDT by tsowellfan (
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To: Alter Kaker

Pelosi, good faith in negotiating?

Keep this up, GOP, then don’t blame me for not EVER voting for you.

63 posted on 10/10/2013 11:03:18 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: SoConPubbie

So what they really, truly care about is protecting their cushy position in government ... which, as far as nationalized healthcare is concerned, conflicts directly with how someone (most notably, Ted Cruz) who really, truly cares about Americans, our constitutional republic and traditional American values thinks and acts.

64 posted on 10/10/2013 11:06:53 AM PDT by glennaro
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To: Alter Kaker; All

They have said for days they would do a short-term budget deal, so I don’t see this as a big deal. Basically doing what they said they would.

But, Obama and the Dems refused to do that before. Now it appears he is caving some.

65 posted on 10/10/2013 11:09:31 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
RE :”Once again the GOPe snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.’

I am honestly surprised they held out this long.
Sort of ironic that they originally said the fight should be over the debt limit (wrt O-care) and not the CR, from the polls on both.

But now they want to completely cave on the debt limit but not the CR. from what I heard.

And they want to revive the grand bargain deficit reform idea and forget about Obama-care,

66 posted on 10/10/2013 11:18:01 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: redgolum
The Senate will not pass a bill that allows Obamacare to be defunded.

Who cares, they can't spend it if the House don't say so.

There can be no default because the Constitution requires the debt to be paid.

Ever wonder why there is a debt ceiling in the first place?

Of course there is the chance that Obozo will just ignore the Constitution and the law in which case the House then has a duty, which they will likely ignore, but they have one.

Facts sure mess up these little surrender dances don't they.

67 posted on 10/10/2013 11:21:26 AM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: JSDude1

If you can honestly explain how you expect Obamacare to be repealed, I would like to hear it. They can shut the government down for a year. Obama will not cave on it.

And that’s even though the GOP isn’t even asking to defund it at all....all they are actually asking for is a delay in the individual mandate a year.

68 posted on 10/10/2013 11:30:42 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: austinaero

Well between you and me and the fencepost ( something Pappy would say so I wuold know it was really important) Bout the only “true conservatives” I would even think of voting for right now are Cruz, Lee, and possibly Rand Paul...but this is all open to future votes by these guys

69 posted on 10/10/2013 11:35:13 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Alter Kaker

“Huh? What do you think the Continuing Resolution is? It’s a BUDGET resolution.”

Our entire strategy is to force negotiations over the budget, now Paul Ryan is a traitor for seeking negotiations over the budget?

70 posted on 10/10/2013 11:41:51 AM PDT by Blackyce (French President Jacques Chirac: "As far as I'm concerned, war alwaysmeans failure.")
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To: Alter Kaker

Are you an idiot? Are you going to have your chain yanked around with every word puffed out of DC?

The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!

Stupid F’n headline.

DC talks.

Just because they talk doesn’t mean that The Sky is Falling!

So now, everytime DC talks, you are going to scream that the GOP is “surrendering”?!

F’n moronic.

71 posted on 10/10/2013 12:11:26 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: rwfromkansas
Then let government stay shut down-eventually Obama will crack like a bat!

With #1) No government cheese (for programs) some will complain

2) The people support Ted Cruz and the Republicans (especially in light of the disastrous O’Care roll out, especially with continued premium spikes)

3) Most don't feel a shutdown so all they see is Obama and the Senate Dems being obstinate, so that puts pressure on them, not Republicans.

4) Let the shutdown continue the momentum is on our side and we will get a delay/defund!

72 posted on 10/10/2013 12:11:42 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Is John Boehner the Neville Chamberlain of American Politics?)
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To: freedom462; Fiji Hill
To be fair, Ryan did not get beat on content in that debate. He only ran into trouble because of his lack of experience on political debates at that level and dealing with the hardline leftist style of debating. So it is hard to count that too much against him.

Then he was a naive fool (including his coaching staff) for not anticipating or being able to handle Biden's smirks & guffawing & interruptions & bullying tactics. It's not like they hadn't seen the past 30 years of bluster & buffoonery from Biden and they were completely unprepared & naive to handle it.

Ryan looked like a deer frozen in the headlights, even the moderator would interrupt Ryan with no comeback from Ryan, and through it all Ryan just stood there frozen with a sick looking expression on his face. Perception is everything, points are nothing, when scoring a presidential or VP debate. And for this part, the GOP candidates usually are miserable in at least 2 out of 3 debates. Or in Ryan's case, he was miserable in 1 out of 1 debates.

73 posted on 10/10/2013 12:32:02 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: Alter Kaker

If there are cameras anywhere near the conference, this is a grand surrender by the French republicans.

74 posted on 10/10/2013 12:44:20 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: tnvol01

Beware outer space lizards dressed as humans...
75 posted on 10/10/2013 12:58:37 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: freedom462
That is a question of strategy.

The best way would be to retake the Senate before forcing the question.

76 posted on 10/10/2013 1:05:08 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Well, we are a single party in effect.

77 posted on 10/10/2013 1:06:17 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Alter Kaker

My word, Paul Ryan SUCKS.

78 posted on 10/10/2013 1:08:34 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: redgolum
Jam yesterday, jam tomorrow, but never jam today.

No thanks. I'll take the shutdown. Cruz is doing exactly what I wanted him to do when I elected him.

You don't wait until everything is perfect to push for what you want. You push until everything is perfect and then you close for the kill.

Makes ya nervous, don't it?


79 posted on 10/10/2013 1:11:21 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: redgolum
The best way would be to retake the Senate before forcing the question.

If the Republicans don't give conservatives a reason to show up in 2014, it's a moot point. The Republicans will get destroyed. Retaking the Senate before forcing the question is an impossibility -- the only way to retake the Senate is to force the question.
80 posted on 10/10/2013 1:14:18 PM PDT by jjsheridan5
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