Skip to comments.Paul Ryan Wants Budget Conference (GOP caves on shutdown?)
Posted on 10/10/2013 9:31:30 AM PDT by Alter Kaker
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this is how ya tell em!
Pelosi? Good faith?
What an effing moron.
Using your logic, we may as well go to one party rule.
Paul Ryan should apologize to the U. S. citizenry, admit his total lack of principle, resign his Congressional seat, vow never to seek any office again, and consider renouncing his citizenship and moving to some appropriate foreign nation more consistent with his complete whorishness.
The Illinois Congressional District in which I reside immediately abuts Ryan's Wisconsin Congressional District. He looks and stinks just as bad locally as nationally.
No Child Left Behind √
Auto bailout √
Amnesty - TBD
SS means testing - TBD
Is it any wonder why the establishment parades PR out as the "conservative" voice?
I wonder whether Paul Ryan ever dreamed, as a freshman congressman, that he would one day become a mere apparatchik doing the bidding of an America-hating Communist. Was this man EVER any good, or did he simply contrive a convincing facade? Bob
“I have come to conclusion I will only vote for conservatives who not only say they are conservative but ones who once elected continued to maintain conservative principles.”
I agree. I will describe that principled sort as a “Cruz Conservative” Drives the libs bat-chit!
Too damn bad. KEEP the government partial shutdown in place while the American people slowly digest this nightmare. Who cares how long it goes on? Not me! BOb
The thing that pisses me off the most is the respect they show to their comrade across the aisle. Pelosi could call Ryan and gay granny killer and Ryan would say “She’s acting in good faith.”
The GOP is dead to me.
The more I read about this, the more I think that we really dodged a bullet in the 2012 election.
Admittedly, it was dodging a bullet by jumping off a cliff...
Hopefully Alan Keyes will move to WI
Pelosi, good faith in negotiating?
Keep this up, GOP, then don’t blame me for not EVER voting for you.
So what they really, truly care about is protecting their cushy position in government ... which, as far as nationalized healthcare is concerned, conflicts directly with how someone (most notably, Ted Cruz) who really, truly cares about Americans, our constitutional republic and traditional American values thinks and acts.
They have said for days they would do a short-term budget deal, so I don’t see this as a big deal. Basically doing what they said they would.
But, Obama and the Dems refused to do that before. Now it appears he is caving some.
I am honestly surprised they held out this long.
Sort of ironic that they originally said the fight should be over the debt limit (wrt O-care) and not the CR, from the polls on both.
But now they want to completely cave on the debt limit but not the CR. from what I heard.
And they want to revive the grand bargain deficit reform idea and forget about Obama-care,
Who cares, they can't spend it if the House don't say so.
There can be no default because the Constitution requires the debt to be paid.
Ever wonder why there is a debt ceiling in the first place?
Of course there is the chance that Obozo will just ignore the Constitution and the law in which case the House then has a duty, which they will likely ignore, but they have one.
Facts sure mess up these little surrender dances don't they.
If you can honestly explain how you expect Obamacare to be repealed, I would like to hear it. They can shut the government down for a year. Obama will not cave on it.
And that’s even though the GOP isn’t even asking to defund it at all....all they are actually asking for is a delay in the individual mandate a year.
Well between you and me and the fencepost ( something Pappy would say so I wuold know it was really important) Bout the only “true conservatives” I would even think of voting for right now are Cruz, Lee, and possibly Rand Paul...but this is all open to future votes by these guys
“Huh? What do you think the Continuing Resolution is? It’s a BUDGET resolution.”
Our entire strategy is to force negotiations over the budget, now Paul Ryan is a traitor for seeking negotiations over the budget?
Are you an idiot? Are you going to have your chain yanked around with every word puffed out of DC?
The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!
Stupid F’n headline.
Just because they talk doesn’t mean that The Sky is Falling!
So now, everytime DC talks, you are going to scream that the GOP is “surrendering”?!
With #1) No government cheese (for programs) some will complain
2) The people support Ted Cruz and the Republicans (especially in light of the disastrous O’Care roll out, especially with continued premium spikes)
3) Most don't feel a shutdown so all they see is Obama and the Senate Dems being obstinate, so that puts pressure on them, not Republicans.
4) Let the shutdown continue the momentum is on our side and we will get a delay/defund!
Then he was a naive fool (including his coaching staff) for not anticipating or being able to handle Biden's smirks & guffawing & interruptions & bullying tactics. It's not like they hadn't seen the past 30 years of bluster & buffoonery from Biden and they were completely unprepared & naive to handle it.
Ryan looked like a deer frozen in the headlights, even the moderator would interrupt Ryan with no comeback from Ryan, and through it all Ryan just stood there frozen with a sick looking expression on his face. Perception is everything, points are nothing, when scoring a presidential or VP debate. And for this part, the GOP candidates usually are miserable in at least 2 out of 3 debates. Or in Ryan's case, he was miserable in 1 out of 1 debates.
If there are cameras anywhere near the conference, this is a grand surrender by the French republicans.
The best way would be to retake the Senate before forcing the question.
Well, we are a single party in effect.
My word, Paul Ryan SUCKS.
No thanks. I'll take the shutdown. Cruz is doing exactly what I wanted him to do when I elected him.
You don't wait until everything is perfect to push for what you want. You push until everything is perfect and then you close for the kill.
Makes ya nervous, don't it?
Negotiations are great, conference committee is a no go.
Not really. There will be a crash sooner or later. Timing no longer concerns me. The only question is who will leverage that crash into election results
Gawd, I despise the RINOs in Washington. If someone isn't 100% tea party, they can bite me come the next election. I won't be deceived again. They'll be booted out like they deserve, because they're no different than their so called "opponents."
There will another “imperfect deal” in the end probably right before Christmas when your minds may be in diverted or in a different mode.
The train will keep rolling down the tracks to the cliff, its only the rate of speed that needs to be determined.
Because as budget Chair he's going to do his job and negotiate a budget?
I agree. I never “got it back” for Ryan after that bizarre debate performance. His, not Biden’s. I expect that crap from the democrats.
There are approximately 80 other posts on this thread laying out reasons why he “sucks”. Not sure why you singled me out but peruse the thread and pick one.
I did pick one. You.
And that's because your post stuck out as slamming Ryan with no reasoning.
Negotiating a budget is Ryan's job. So because he's doing his job he sucks?
Wow. Someone on Free Republic who is actually employing logic and rationale rather than having a hissy fit with their emotions.
Kudos to you.
You are, of course, correct. That is his role.
We don't control the Senate. We don't control the White House.
Ryan actually should have gone to Conference months ago. The Senate called our bluff and actually passed a budget this year (first time since 2009).
Per regular order, the House MUST hold a Conference with the Senate budget to work out the discrepancies.
Ryan was under tremendous pressure to bring this mess to yet another "cliff" and beyond.
Last week, many GOP House members realized too late that they have painted themselves into a corner.
They know they can either raise the debt ceiling before great harm is done to the US economy, or after great harm has been done to the US economy.
We have done that, and the gain was always going to be minimal given the two inconvenient facts again:
We don't control the Senate. We don't control the White House.
Once the America voter corrects the above, then it is another ballgame - but unfortunately, we have millions of lazy, immoral Takers who voted otherwise (not to mention a rigged election due to the IRS scandal and voter fraud, but that is another conversation).
Any budget agreement, be in yet another CR or a real budget (the first in years) has to be negotiated.
Ryan warned yesterday, in no uncertain terms, that if have a technical default (and prioritizing payments is a default by another name), then the interest rates on our debt will skyrocket, and that slice of the Federal budget we now make in debt payments will eat the budget alive.
Correct and yet a majority of people here hate the GOP for not giving them everything they want.
Basically the main job of the GOP right now is to hold the line. They've done it with gun control, they've done it with cap and trade...and we actually got a slowing in spending which is remarkable given we only have 1/3 of the Govt.
I can't believe the hatred toward Ryan is so thick because he "caved" and wants to negotiate a budget. Ryan didn't cave. He's doing his job.
Ryan is out of influence. HE IS A CAVER.
*OBAMA REJECTS REPUBLICAN PROPOSAL FOR SHORT-TERM PLAN: NYT
Posted on 10/10/2013 3:32:28 PM PDT by thought
They can refuse to vote for funding Obamacare. If the house does not fund it, it does not get funded. Period.
They already have a years delay on the mandate....Seblius said individuls can ‘pay the fine’ and they have a year.
It’s my understanding this 6 week extension would keep them coming back for more money the next six weeks etc. etc....wearing them down ..meanwhile the House passes funding bills for everything else in Government one bill or so at a time .... then the Senate has to or not fund each one...but in doing this piece by piece it bypasses entirely funding Obamacare.
Fair enough. At this point, it seems we have to keep prayers up that the House GOP stays the course and if they don;t, respond accordingly for the next year and a half, all the way through the Nov 2014 elections and cast our votes in accordance to who stays the course and who folds.
“then defeat obamacare through persuasion”
After we lose 90% of our best doctors. Yeah, sounds ‘great’.
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