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Paul Ryan Wants Budget Conference (GOP caves on shutdown?)
Roll Call ^ | 10/10/2013 | Emma Dumain and Niels Lesniewski

Posted on 10/10/2013 9:31:30 AM PDT by Alter Kaker

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To: Alter Kaker

this is how ya tell em!
http://www.speaker.gov/contact


51 posted on 10/10/2013 10:29:04 AM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: Alter Kaker

Pelosi? Good faith?

What an effing moron.


52 posted on 10/10/2013 10:33:24 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: redgolum

Using your logic, we may as well go to one party rule.


53 posted on 10/10/2013 10:34:56 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: freedom462
What should Paul Ryan do now?

Paul Ryan should apologize to the U. S. citizenry, admit his total lack of principle, resign his Congressional seat, vow never to seek any office again, and consider renouncing his citizenship and moving to some appropriate foreign nation more consistent with his complete whorishness.

That's what.

The Illinois Congressional District in which I reside immediately abuts Ryan's Wisconsin Congressional District. He looks and stinks just as bad locally as nationally.

54 posted on 10/10/2013 10:35:07 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
Medicare Part D √

No Child Left Behind √

TARP √

Stimulus √

Auto bailout √

Amnesty - TBD

SS means testing - TBD

Is it any wonder why the establishment parades PR out as the "conservative" voice?


55 posted on 10/10/2013 10:42:29 AM PDT by tnvol01 ("...answering that question w/ specificity uh, you know, is, is, uh above my pay grade.")
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To: Alter Kaker

I wonder whether Paul Ryan ever dreamed, as a freshman congressman, that he would one day become a mere apparatchik doing the bidding of an America-hating Communist. Was this man EVER any good, or did he simply contrive a convincing facade? Bob


56 posted on 10/10/2013 10:45:35 AM PDT by alstewartfan ("Guardian angels, wherever you may be Reach down and keep my soul for me. Al Stewart)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

“I have come to conclusion I will only vote for conservatives who not only say they are conservative but ones who once elected continued to maintain conservative principles.”

I agree. I will describe that principled sort as a “Cruz Conservative” Drives the libs bat-chit!


57 posted on 10/10/2013 10:47:28 AM PDT by austinaero
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To: redgolum

Too damn bad. KEEP the government partial shutdown in place while the American people slowly digest this nightmare. Who cares how long it goes on? Not me! BOb


58 posted on 10/10/2013 10:47:37 AM PDT by alstewartfan ("Guardian angels, wherever you may be Reach down and keep my soul for me. Al Stewart)
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To: Alter Kaker

The thing that pisses me off the most is the respect they show to their comrade across the aisle. Pelosi could call Ryan and gay granny killer and Ryan would say “She’s acting in good faith.”


59 posted on 10/10/2013 10:47:54 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Alter Kaker

The GOP is dead to me.


60 posted on 10/10/2013 10:48:18 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache (In a world where I feel so small, I can't stop thinking big.)
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To: skinkinthegrass

The more I read about this, the more I think that we really dodged a bullet in the 2012 election.

Admittedly, it was dodging a bullet by jumping off a cliff...


61 posted on 10/10/2013 10:56:49 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: informavoracious

Hopefully Alan Keyes will move to WI


62 posted on 10/10/2013 11:00:06 AM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: Alter Kaker

Pelosi, good faith in negotiating?

Keep this up, GOP, then don’t blame me for not EVER voting for you.


63 posted on 10/10/2013 11:03:18 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: SoConPubbie

So what they really, truly care about is protecting their cushy position in government ... which, as far as nationalized healthcare is concerned, conflicts directly with how someone (most notably, Ted Cruz) who really, truly cares about Americans, our constitutional republic and traditional American values thinks and acts.


64 posted on 10/10/2013 11:06:53 AM PDT by glennaro
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To: Alter Kaker; All

They have said for days they would do a short-term budget deal, so I don’t see this as a big deal. Basically doing what they said they would.

But, Obama and the Dems refused to do that before. Now it appears he is caving some.


65 posted on 10/10/2013 11:09:31 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
RE :”Once again the GOPe snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.’

I am honestly surprised they held out this long.
Sort of ironic that they originally said the fight should be over the debt limit (wrt O-care) and not the CR, from the polls on both.

But now they want to completely cave on the debt limit but not the CR. from what I heard.

And they want to revive the grand bargain deficit reform idea and forget about Obama-care,

66 posted on 10/10/2013 11:18:01 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: redgolum
The Senate will not pass a bill that allows Obamacare to be defunded.

Who cares, they can't spend it if the House don't say so.

There can be no default because the Constitution requires the debt to be paid.

Ever wonder why there is a debt ceiling in the first place?

Of course there is the chance that Obozo will just ignore the Constitution and the law in which case the House then has a duty, which they will likely ignore, but they have one.

Facts sure mess up these little surrender dances don't they.

67 posted on 10/10/2013 11:21:26 AM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: JSDude1

If you can honestly explain how you expect Obamacare to be repealed, I would like to hear it. They can shut the government down for a year. Obama will not cave on it.

And that’s even though the GOP isn’t even asking to defund it at all....all they are actually asking for is a delay in the individual mandate a year.


68 posted on 10/10/2013 11:30:42 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: austinaero

Well between you and me and the fencepost ( something Pappy would say so I wuold know it was really important) Bout the only “true conservatives” I would even think of voting for right now are Cruz, Lee, and possibly Rand Paul...but this is all open to future votes by these guys
Freegards
LEX


69 posted on 10/10/2013 11:35:13 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Alter Kaker

“Huh? What do you think the Continuing Resolution is? It’s a BUDGET resolution.”

Our entire strategy is to force negotiations over the budget, now Paul Ryan is a traitor for seeking negotiations over the budget?


70 posted on 10/10/2013 11:41:51 AM PDT by Blackyce (French President Jacques Chirac: "As far as I'm concerned, war alwaysmeans failure.")
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To: Alter Kaker

Are you an idiot? Are you going to have your chain yanked around with every word puffed out of DC?

The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!

Stupid F’n headline.

DC talks.

Just because they talk doesn’t mean that The Sky is Falling!

So now, everytime DC talks, you are going to scream that the GOP is “surrendering”?!

F’n moronic.


71 posted on 10/10/2013 12:11:26 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: rwfromkansas
Then let government stay shut down-eventually Obama will crack like a bat!

With #1) No government cheese (for programs) some will complain

2) The people support Ted Cruz and the Republicans (especially in light of the disastrous O’Care roll out, especially with continued premium spikes)

3) Most don't feel a shutdown so all they see is Obama and the Senate Dems being obstinate, so that puts pressure on them, not Republicans.

4) Let the shutdown continue the momentum is on our side and we will get a delay/defund!

72 posted on 10/10/2013 12:11:42 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Is John Boehner the Neville Chamberlain of American Politics?)
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To: freedom462; Fiji Hill
To be fair, Ryan did not get beat on content in that debate. He only ran into trouble because of his lack of experience on political debates at that level and dealing with the hardline leftist style of debating. So it is hard to count that too much against him.

Then he was a naive fool (including his coaching staff) for not anticipating or being able to handle Biden's smirks & guffawing & interruptions & bullying tactics. It's not like they hadn't seen the past 30 years of bluster & buffoonery from Biden and they were completely unprepared & naive to handle it.

Ryan looked like a deer frozen in the headlights, even the moderator would interrupt Ryan with no comeback from Ryan, and through it all Ryan just stood there frozen with a sick looking expression on his face. Perception is everything, points are nothing, when scoring a presidential or VP debate. And for this part, the GOP candidates usually are miserable in at least 2 out of 3 debates. Or in Ryan's case, he was miserable in 1 out of 1 debates.

73 posted on 10/10/2013 12:32:02 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: Alter Kaker

If there are cameras anywhere near the conference, this is a grand surrender by the French republicans.


74 posted on 10/10/2013 12:44:20 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: tnvol01

Beware outer space lizards dressed as humans...
75 posted on 10/10/2013 12:58:37 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: freedom462
That is a question of strategy.

The best way would be to retake the Senate before forcing the question.

76 posted on 10/10/2013 1:05:08 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Well, we are a single party in effect.


77 posted on 10/10/2013 1:06:17 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Alter Kaker

My word, Paul Ryan SUCKS.


78 posted on 10/10/2013 1:08:34 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: redgolum
Jam yesterday, jam tomorrow, but never jam today.

No thanks. I'll take the shutdown. Cruz is doing exactly what I wanted him to do when I elected him.

You don't wait until everything is perfect to push for what you want. You push until everything is perfect and then you close for the kill.

Makes ya nervous, don't it?

/johnny

79 posted on 10/10/2013 1:11:21 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: redgolum
The best way would be to retake the Senate before forcing the question.

If the Republicans don't give conservatives a reason to show up in 2014, it's a moot point. The Republicans will get destroyed. Retaking the Senate before forcing the question is an impossibility -- the only way to retake the Senate is to force the question.
80 posted on 10/10/2013 1:14:18 PM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: jjsheridan5
BTTT.

/johnny

81 posted on 10/10/2013 1:18:19 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Blackyce
Our entire strategy is to force negotiations over the budget, now Paul Ryan is a traitor for seeking negotiations over the budget?

Negotiations are great, conference committee is a no go.

82 posted on 10/10/2013 1:28:11 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Not really. There will be a crash sooner or later. Timing no longer concerns me. The only question is who will leverage that crash into election results


83 posted on 10/10/2013 1:33:01 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Alter Kaker
Oh great. The polls are showing oboma as one of the most irresponsible presidents in recent history, and what do the idiot the Republicans do? They turn him back into a savior of all man kind in the name of "bipartisanship.".

Gawd, I despise the RINOs in Washington. If someone isn't 100% tea party, they can bite me come the next election. I won't be deceived again. They'll be booted out like they deserve, because they're no different than their so called "opponents."

.

84 posted on 10/10/2013 2:13:47 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: hattend

There will another “imperfect deal” in the end probably right before Christmas when your minds may be in diverted or in a different mode.

The train will keep rolling down the tracks to the cliff, its only the rate of speed that needs to be determined.


85 posted on 10/10/2013 2:43:21 PM PDT by Nextrush (BALANCED BUDGET NOW, PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN,CHANGE I BELIEVE IN)
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To: riri
He sucks why?

Because as budget Chair he's going to do his job and negotiate a budget?

Really?

86 posted on 10/10/2013 3:09:06 PM PDT by what's up
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To: rcrngroup

I agree. I never “got it back” for Ryan after that bizarre debate performance. His, not Biden’s. I expect that crap from the democrats.


87 posted on 10/10/2013 3:13:20 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: what's up

There are approximately 80 other posts on this thread laying out reasons why he “sucks”. Not sure why you singled me out but peruse the thread and pick one.


88 posted on 10/10/2013 3:18:06 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: riri
pick one

I did pick one. You.

And that's because your post stuck out as slamming Ryan with no reasoning.

Negotiating a budget is Ryan's job. So because he's doing his job he sucks?

89 posted on 10/10/2013 3:35:25 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up
He sucks why? Because as budget Chair he's going to do his job and negotiate a budget? Really?

Wow. Someone on Free Republic who is actually employing logic and rationale rather than having a hissy fit with their emotions.

Kudos to you.

You are, of course, correct. That is his role.

We don't control the Senate. We don't control the White House.

Ryan actually should have gone to Conference months ago. The Senate called our bluff and actually passed a budget this year (first time since 2009).

Per regular order, the House MUST hold a Conference with the Senate budget to work out the discrepancies.

Ryan was under tremendous pressure to bring this mess to yet another "cliff" and beyond.

Last week, many GOP House members realized too late that they have painted themselves into a corner.

They know they can either raise the debt ceiling before great harm is done to the US economy, or after great harm has been done to the US economy.

We have done that, and the gain was always going to be minimal given the two inconvenient facts again:

We don't control the Senate. We don't control the White House.

Once the America voter corrects the above, then it is another ballgame - but unfortunately, we have millions of lazy, immoral Takers who voted otherwise (not to mention a rigged election due to the IRS scandal and voter fraud, but that is another conversation).

Any budget agreement, be in yet another CR or a real budget (the first in years) has to be negotiated.

Ryan warned yesterday, in no uncertain terms, that if have a technical default (and prioritizing payments is a default by another name), then the interest rates on our debt will skyrocket, and that slice of the Federal budget we now make in debt payments will eat the budget alive.

90 posted on 10/10/2013 3:46:21 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
We don't control the Senate. We don't control the White House.

Correct and yet a majority of people here hate the GOP for not giving them everything they want.

Basically the main job of the GOP right now is to hold the line. They've done it with gun control, they've done it with cap and trade...and we actually got a slowing in spending which is remarkable given we only have 1/3 of the Govt.

I can't believe the hatred toward Ryan is so thick because he "caved" and wants to negotiate a budget. Ryan didn't cave. He's doing his job.

91 posted on 10/10/2013 3:52:09 PM PDT by what's up
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To: SkyPilot
We do have the ultimate power of the purse in the House, though. That's a pretty big club to wield. The debt cap doesn't require a default.

/johnny

92 posted on 10/10/2013 4:35:45 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

Ryan is out of influence. HE IS A CAVER.


93 posted on 10/10/2013 5:25:46 PM PDT by SADMILLIE (r)
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94 posted on 10/10/2013 5:48:44 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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95 posted on 10/10/2013 6:42:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: freedom462

They can refuse to vote for funding Obamacare. If the house does not fund it, it does not get funded. Period.


96 posted on 10/10/2013 10:17:46 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: rwfromkansas

They already have a years delay on the mandate....Seblius said individuls can ‘pay the fine’ and they have a year.


97 posted on 10/10/2013 10:33:34 PM PDT by caww
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To: Jim Robinson; ez

It’s my understanding this 6 week extension would keep them coming back for more money the next six weeks etc. etc....wearing them down ..meanwhile the House passes funding bills for everything else in Government one bill or so at a time .... then the Senate has to or not fund each one...but in doing this piece by piece it bypasses entirely funding Obamacare.


98 posted on 10/10/2013 10:38:49 PM PDT by caww
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To: Jim Robinson

Fair enough. At this point, it seems we have to keep prayers up that the House GOP stays the course and if they don;t, respond accordingly for the next year and a half, all the way through the Nov 2014 elections and cast our votes in accordance to who stays the course and who folds.


99 posted on 10/10/2013 11:21:12 PM PDT by freedom462
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To: glennaro

“then defeat obamacare through persuasion”

After we lose 90% of our best doctors. Yeah, sounds ‘great’.


100 posted on 10/11/2013 5:44:39 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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