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“Vindictive” Park Service Inflicting Maximum Pain During Shutdown
Colorado Observer ^ | October 9, 2013 | Audrey Hudson

Posted on 10/10/2013 9:35:42 AM PDT by george76

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1 posted on 10/10/2013 9:35:43 AM PDT by george76
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2 posted on 10/10/2013 9:41:38 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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I would add that even though those decisions are made at a higher management level - the general staff appeared to be fine with enforcing it - so they are also complicit, despite their claims "we were just following orders"
Their job should get MUCH more difficult upon return to normal operations (nobody would ever think of breaking them off on Park Service employees before, not so much now).
3 posted on 10/10/2013 9:43:04 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: george76

Don’t blame the Park Service, blame the Spite House, which is where this vindictiveness comes from. It’s the Chicago Way.


4 posted on 10/10/2013 9:43:09 AM PDT by expat2
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To: george76
The Park Service provides vets with a comfortable place to rest.
5 posted on 10/10/2013 9:46:49 AM PDT by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: george76

The National Park service should shut down ‘President’s Park’ in Washington D.C.

If they did that, then the pain would be felt where it needs to be and we would not have this nonsense going on.


6 posted on 10/10/2013 9:49:37 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Eclipse, the sequel to Bright Horizons is out! Get it now!)
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To: george76

The regime is trying to show people how much they need the government. All they’re proving is that the government can and will make citizens suffer when they cross their rulers. How I loathe this thuggish Administration and all its works.


7 posted on 10/10/2013 9:50:46 AM PDT by jumpingcholla34
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To: george76

Would be great if AF pilots at Andrews refused to fly AF1.


8 posted on 10/10/2013 9:51:58 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: expat2

> Don’t blame the Park Service, blame the Spite House, which
> is where this vindictiveness comes from. It’s the Chicago Way.

Sorry, they don’t get a pass.

Police and military are obliged to refuse illegal orders.

In fact, this goes to show that, when given the orders, they will fire on American citizens.

After all, they’re just following orders.


9 posted on 10/10/2013 9:52:09 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: expat2

Just following orders : was also the Nazi defense after WW II.


10 posted on 10/10/2013 9:55:41 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: expat2

The Interior Department is infested with arrogant liberal environmentalists. They have now shown their true ‘nature’..................


11 posted on 10/10/2013 9:56:42 AM PDT by Red Badger (TANSTAAFL always wins. Always...........................)
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To: Psalm 73

Many middle level NPS brown shirts seem to enjoy their new Nazi style power.


12 posted on 10/10/2013 9:57:13 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Psalm 73

“...despite their claims “we were just following orders”

From http://english.turkcebilgi.com/Nuremberg+Defense

“The Nuremberg Defense is a legal defense that essentially states that the defendant was “only following orders” (”Befehl ist Befehl”) and is therefore not responsible for his crimes. The defense was most famously employed during the Nuremberg Trials, after which it is named.

Before the end of World War II, the Allies suspected such a defense might be employed, and issued the London Charter of the International Military Tribunal, which specifically stated that this was not a valid defense against charges of war crimes.

Thus, under the Nuremberg Principles, “defense of superior orders” is not a defense for war crimes, although it might influence a sentencing authority to lessen the penalty.

“The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him.”

The United States military adjusted the Uniform Code of Military Justice after World War II. They included a rule nullifying this defense, essentially stating that American military personnel are allowed to refuse unlawful orders. This defense is still used often, however, reasoning that an unlawful order presents a dilemma from which there is no legal escape. One who refuses an unlawful order will still probably be jailed (and in some countries probably killed), and one who accepts one will probably be jailed.”

Dear Park Service Rangers (PSGestapo),

If you use the Defense, don’t be surprised if you’re compared with those who created it - or if that’s who you become.

Unlike the military, you won’t be jailed or killed if you refuse an unjust order, at worst, you’ll just lose your job. Do you guys (and girls) have ANY integrity left, at all?


13 posted on 10/10/2013 9:57:39 AM PDT by Larry - Moe and Curly (Loose lips sink ships.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Recreational areas like Camp David and the Andrews AFB golf course should be closed if there was the rule of law.


14 posted on 10/10/2013 9:59:43 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Maybe we should call them the Nazi Park Service...................


15 posted on 10/10/2013 9:59:58 AM PDT by Red Badger (TANSTAAFL always wins. Always...........................)
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To: george76

The Fau King has declared No One can enter the Kings Forest, until we all accept subjection.

FUBO!


16 posted on 10/10/2013 10:03:46 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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It’s time to shut down the park service and the parks. All federal land should be either sold or returned to the states.

I loved the parks as a kid. But now I realize that they’re competing against private enterprise at taxpayer expense. We need to start limiting what the federal government does and how many employees it has. This would be a great and painless place to start.


17 posted on 10/10/2013 10:07:42 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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They are vindictive because they don't have to be fair. >>They are the government. You are not!<<

This reaffirms our attitude about government. If a private sector business did this, they'd risk losing business. Not the government — they don't have to worry about providing customer service. They don't have to care. They have a monopoly.

And that same government will be even more involved in our lives through Obamacare. Will Obamacare be any different? Absolutely not. A perfect example of this is the past two weeks of the Obamacare roll out. It has been a complete disaster but all standards. Is there an effort to fix it? Probably. But apparently it is going to take months. And when asked about it, the administration gets “vindictive.” Theres that word “vindictive” again.

Apparently government and vindictive are synonymous.

18 posted on 10/10/2013 10:08:55 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Westbrook

“Sorry, they don’t get a pass.

Police and military are obliged to refuse illegal orders.

In fact, this goes to show that, when given the orders, they will fire on American citizens.

After all, they’re just following orders.”

These bootlicking thugs all live somewhere. They are part of some community. One would think that some shunning and very public beratings by their neighbors, friends, family would be in order. Shame these a-hole turds into the ground. They are greatly outnumbered.


19 posted on 10/10/2013 10:18:54 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE ("If guns cause crime, there must be something wrong with mine." -Ted Nugent)
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To: george76

All Federal Park Rangers and Goons should be made to pay for their “following orders”. They should be denied service in any and all private owned business. Let’s see how long they follow orders when they cant buy food or other items. Let them eat grass in the parks they are ordered to protect from America’s citizens.


20 posted on 10/10/2013 10:19:39 AM PDT by drunknsage
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To: Larry - Moe and Curly
"Dear Park Service Rangers...."

Your cushy job is about to become a living hell - we've always been especially nice to Park Servivce personnel - that is gonna' end.

21 posted on 10/10/2013 10:40:11 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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Well my plans are to go to the World War II monument and say a pray for every American that gave the ultimate sacrifice. Gonna tell them that their deaths were not in vain. They did not die for this vile and corrupt US government that has drowned the country in debt, has given special treatment to illegal invaders and has ignored the US Constitution. Eventually this US government will pass and another will take its place. These brave and courage Americans gave their lives for their fellow citizens. Their fellow Americans. Not for crony politicians and not for illegally invading immigrants. They did not sacrifice and struggle for the US government. They sacrificed and struggled for the American people.


22 posted on 10/10/2013 10:40:32 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: expat2
Don’t blame the Park Service, blame the Spite House, which is where this vindictiveness comes from. It’s the Chicago Way.

DISAGREE. Just following orders wasn't a valid defense for soldiers in wartime where the penalty for not following them could be death. Here if the brown shirt rangers don't follow orders they would get a reprimand or at worst lose their jobs. A JOB BTW that is paid for by the very taxpayers that they're turning away.

Park Rangers in their proper uniforms


23 posted on 10/10/2013 10:54:29 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: george76
The Average Park Ranger Political Profile:


24 posted on 10/10/2013 11:00:16 AM PDT by Regulator
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So far as I know they have not been so pushed as to draw weapons. I have only been to a couple places on the BRP and have not had any run-ins...but they should be pushed until they do commit some act of violence such as pulling a weapon on a citizen.

While the hardcore bama ball supporter won’t say anything, there are a lot of other Americans who will. And the support will continue to drop. That’s how we win 2014 and hammer away in 2016.

Very Sam Adams-ey.


25 posted on 10/10/2013 11:02:29 AM PDT by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: from occupied ga
Fittingly, they are marching on the "rude bridge" (in Concord, Mass.).

The ones in Yellowstone Park at least seem to be relishing their assigned role of being nasty to the tourists.

26 posted on 10/10/2013 11:15:45 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: george76
I saw this on another forum. It would make a great tagline!

"Obama Used More Security Against Vet’s WWII Memorial Than He Had At Benghazi."

27 posted on 10/10/2013 11:17:54 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: READINABLUESTATE
They are part of some community. One would think that some shunning and very public berating's by their neighbors, friends, family would be in order. Shame these a-hole turds into the ground. They are greatly outnumbered.

I agree. This is the best strategy.

28 posted on 10/10/2013 11:19:01 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: Texas Fossil
The Fau King has declared No One can enter the Kings Forest, until we all accept subjection.

I believe it's spelled "faux", as in: "Houston, we have a Faux King problem."

Or it could be spelled "foe" in this case, which would also be correct.

29 posted on 10/10/2013 11:21:53 AM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: from occupied ga; Westbrook
I'm not defending the Park Service employees, but pointing out the greater evil that we should be focusing on.

As far as the Park service is concerned, we need to respond to them with MASS civil disobedience -- make it more unpleasant for them to buck us than to buck their evil 'superiors'.

30 posted on 10/10/2013 11:35:15 AM PDT by expat2
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To: jumpingcholla34

“How I loathe this thuggish Administration and all its works.”

People are at a loss to know how to deal with this administration because there has never been one like it before. This is why people left the old world to come to America. This is why we fought a war against the British. No other President comes close to the tyrannical behavior of Obama and his band of gangsters and criminals.

I believe most of the democrats who voted for him realize how wrong and gullible they were but stupid pride won’t allow them to admit it. They will go down with the ship and take the rest of us with them before they do the right thing and help convict the whole lot of these misfits for high treason.

Necks need to be stretched!


31 posted on 10/10/2013 11:37:44 AM PDT by beelzepug (if any alphabets are watchin', I'll be coming home right after the meetin')
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To: george76

Tree Cops.........what a joke.


32 posted on 10/10/2013 11:39:56 AM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Case back hoe for sale or trade for diesel wood chipper....Enforce the Bill of Rights. It's the Law!)
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Isn't there ONE decent Park Service employee that has come out and defied Hussein's "orders"?

There must be hundreds of them that do NOT like to be Obama's brownshirts.

Obama couldn't possibly have gotten them all.

And yes, this "just following orders" $hit had better be investigated the hell out of, and people's asses fired over it.

33 posted on 10/10/2013 11:43:15 AM PDT by boop ("You don't look so bad, here's another")
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To: Max in Utah

An infrequently used word, should have checked the spelling. Sorry.


34 posted on 10/10/2013 11:44:45 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: george76

“After we win this election, it’s our turn. Payback time.
Everyone not with us is against us and they better be ready because we don’t forget.
The ones who helped us will be rewarded,
the ones who opposed us will get what they deserve.
There is going to be hell to pay.”

Valerie Jarrett, Obama’s Mommy


35 posted on 10/10/2013 11:52:09 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed "Elderly Kooky Type" Catholic Texan)
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To: george76

“Many middle level NPS brown shirts seem to enjoy their new Nazi style power.”

Indeed. I’m afraid the next order from King Barry will be “Shoot to Kill”.


36 posted on 10/10/2013 11:53:48 AM PDT by Polyxene (Out of the depths I have cried to Thee, O Lord; Lord, hear my voice.)
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To: Max in Utah

So, a census worker is going door to door in an Asian neighborhood, verifying some information, and when one occupant answers the door he asks, “Are you Foo King?”
And the man answers, “No, we just watching television.”


37 posted on 10/10/2013 11:54:39 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Verginius Rufus
The ones in Yellowstone Park at least seem to be relishing their assigned role of being nasty to the tourists.

People don't go into law enforcement because they

  1. Want to defend the constitution
  2. think that enforcing every law, regulation, executive order, and rule is silly
  3. Enjoy a live and let live philosophy
They feel like the tourists - the ones who are ultimately paying their salaries - are second class citizens (or serfs) because they aren't part of the government. Hence they're entitled to be as nasty to them as they want.
38 posted on 10/10/2013 11:56:56 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Psalm 73
good people don't just follow orders, especially petty litte vindictive orders like these....

you call in sick, leave work early, act distracted, throw up all over your bosses shoes, spend too much time parking your car, look the other way....

39 posted on 10/10/2013 12:34:30 PM PDT by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: george76; onyx; Psalm 73; expat2; JPG; Anitius Severinus Boethius; jumpingcholla34; ...
Last weekend I did this (picture links to thread):

This weekend if I find the gate locked again, it will be this:

My retired father told me, "Don't get shot or hauled off to jail".

I told him, "Shelter in Place".

40 posted on 10/10/2013 12:43:29 PM PDT by Rodamala
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My retired father told me, "Don't get shot or hauled off to jail".

I would have said, "Don't get hauled off to jail and shot."....................

41 posted on 10/10/2013 12:46:49 PM PDT by Red Badger (TANSTAAFL always wins. Always...........................)
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42 posted on 10/10/2013 12:47:57 PM PDT by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: Red Badger
I would have said, "Don't get hauled off to jail and shot."....................

...and I woulda said, "Shelter in Place".

43 posted on 10/10/2013 12:50:10 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Rodamala

My advice: Take a whole bunch of people with you, as many as possible. That prevents us from being knocked off one at a time, and makes it much more difficult for any trying to stop you and your video phones.


44 posted on 10/10/2013 1:05:51 PM PDT by expat2
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To: george76

I am wondering how many businesses will refuse service to park rangers after this mess is finally over.


45 posted on 10/10/2013 1:35:39 PM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- <<http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: Psalm 73

“Dear Park Service Rangers....”
Your cushy job is about to become a living hell - we’ve always been especially nice to Park Servivce personnel - that is gonna’ end.

The National Park Service Ranger that most people are used to dealing with is sitting around furloughed right now. They are not the people who are writing tickets or blocking access. The staff on duty now are mostly “Protection Rangers”...basically they are the Federal police that work for NPS.

I know quite a few NPS personnel who are not “protection” rangers and most of them would like nothing more than to have the parks open for visitors but they aren’t allowed to work right now.


46 posted on 10/10/2013 1:55:41 PM PDT by XRdsRev (New Jersey - Crossroads of the American Revolution)
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To: george76

House GOP should drag these “following orders” employees and those giving “the orders” into hearings and EXPOSE them to the country.


47 posted on 10/10/2013 2:04:02 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Park Service employees "following orders" should be SHAMED and SHUNNED!)
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To: drunknsage

Agreed. Thus my tagline.


48 posted on 10/10/2013 2:08:47 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Park Service employees "following orders" should be SHAMED and SHUNNED!)
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To: XRdsRev

Well, then maybe they should stand with us, in uniform, and protest or do they care about their jobs more than their country?

If so that’s quite selfish.


49 posted on 10/10/2013 2:12:14 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Park Service employees "following orders" should be SHAMED and SHUNNED!)
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To: Westbrook

Police and military are obliged to refuse illegal orders.

These orders are not illegal. They are just vindictive.

Parks are closed all the time for various reasons. this time its for spite but it isn’t illegal.


50 posted on 10/10/2013 2:31:25 PM PDT by XRdsRev (New Jersey - Crossroads of the American Revolution)
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