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Senate GOP rallies around rival plan on debt ceiling, shutdown
The Hill ^ | October 10, 2013 | Alexander Bolton

Posted on 10/10/2013 12:34:47 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Senate Republicans are unhappy with a House GOP plan to raise the debt ceiling for six weeks without funding the federal government — and are coalescing around their own proposal to pair a short-term debt-ceiling increase with a year-long stopgap spending bill.

Under their plan, government would be funded for a year at the $967 billion level set by the 2011 Budget Control Act.

The package would also include a repeal of ObamaCare's medical-device tax and language to require income verification of people who apply for healthcare subsidies under the Affordable Care Act, say GOP sources familiar with the talks.

Some Senate Republicans are willing to extend the debt limit for as long as six months, while others say the extension should only last for a few months.

Republican lawmakers say Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), who did not support the push to shut down the government in order to win concessions on ObamaCare, is at the center of the talks.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: budget; debtlimit; kentucky; lundergangrimes; mattbevin; mitchmcconnell; obamacare; shutdown

1 posted on 10/10/2013 12:34:47 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Worse than useless.


2 posted on 10/10/2013 12:36:58 PM PDT by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: All

McConnell, McCain, Lamar Alexander, Corker....

“.....Senate Republicans are not satisfied with the House GOP debt-ceiling plan because it would do nothing to re-open the government...........”


3 posted on 10/10/2013 12:37:32 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The media keeps pushing the big lie that the USA will default on its debt if the debt ceiling is not raised. this a big lie. It's all to get Republicans to cave

Americans and the low info voters have no idea it's a lie nor know anything about anything really.

Hold the line Republicans .keep the useless government shut down and don't cave on the debt ceiling.

99% of gov agencies are useless and only oppress and take away our freedom

4 posted on 10/10/2013 12:38:46 PM PDT by rurgan (only taxes allowed 5% federal sales tax, 3% state ,2% local. no income, no property tax)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Only 967 Billion, gee thats less than a trillion. /s

DITCH MITCH.


5 posted on 10/10/2013 12:38:49 PM PDT by Gasshog (Welcome to the United States of Stupidos!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Flame away - I’d take it, and use the issue of Fairness of Obamacare for House, Senate, and Spite House staff as a campaign issue.


6 posted on 10/10/2013 12:38:58 PM PDT by 11th_VA (I want a president who won't enforce tax laws ...)
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7 posted on 10/10/2013 12:39:20 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This is an opportunity for Cruz to take charge again.

C’mon senate... hold the line. How could they think this would help?

just damn!


8 posted on 10/10/2013 12:39:38 PM PDT by Principled
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To: henkster; All

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/charles-krauthammer-ted-cruz-obamacare-98144.html?hp=r1

“Conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer continued his criticism of Sen. Ted Cruz on Thursday, asking, “Where is he now?”

“How exactly was he going to achieve abolition of Obamacare? Explain that to me. Has he ever explained it? And where is he now?” Krauthammer said on “The Laura Ingraham Show.”

Krauthammer, who has previously hit Cruz (R-Texas) on the strategy of shutdown to defund Obamacare, included Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) in his questioning and said the two went home to “have lunch.”

I mean his sidekick, Sen. [Mike] Lee said, ‘Oh, we’re past Obamacare. We moved on.’ These are the generals who lead people into the Battle of [the] Little Bighorn and then go home and have lunch and leave the troops out there? Where are they? Where are the generals? What’s their strategy to get abolition of Obamacare?” Krauthammer said.......................................”


9 posted on 10/10/2013 12:41:05 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Dang, my office pool bet was 11 days. I might just make some money on this one. Thanks empty suits!


10 posted on 10/10/2013 12:41:51 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: Principled

Ck Post #9.


11 posted on 10/10/2013 12:41:55 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Kraut is dead to me. He can do that rolling donut thing.


12 posted on 10/10/2013 12:43:01 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The GOOBs! Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. The Kenyan and his Alinskyites win again.


13 posted on 10/10/2013 12:43:47 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The DemocRAT Pahtay! Spending our grandchildren's future, today!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Is this the same “conservative” Charles Krauthammer who broke bread with the pResident the other night, no doubt while in the kneeling position?


14 posted on 10/10/2013 12:44:37 PM PDT by Arm_Bears (Refuse; Resist; Rebel; Revolt!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

They announce this just as the House delegation is about to meet with Obama.

Classy.


15 posted on 10/10/2013 12:45:12 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Well Charles, what’s YOUR strategy to get rid 0bamacare, the singularly worst piece of legislation ever drafted?

Or are you perfectly happy living in communism?


16 posted on 10/10/2013 12:49:05 PM PDT by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Kraut’s roots are on the left and his home is inside the nut way.


17 posted on 10/10/2013 12:49:53 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Gasshog

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/ole-mcconnell-on-the-farm-e-i-e-i-o/


18 posted on 10/10/2013 12:53:00 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Arm_Bears

I don’t think he can kneel but the wheel chair puts him at about the right height.


19 posted on 10/10/2013 12:58:27 PM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The rats will do anything they can to move any pain that may affect them until past the Nov '14 elections.

NO-NO-NO!! STAND STRONG, GOP; DON'T CAVE YET AGAIN.

20 posted on 10/10/2013 1:06:34 PM PDT by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Time to donate money to Matt Bevin.


21 posted on 10/10/2013 1:07:14 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (ZeroCare: Make them pay; do not delay.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Charles, they are not writing speeches for Mondale, fool!


22 posted on 10/10/2013 1:11:57 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (The injustice of trendiness is nearly dualistic in its isomorphism.)
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To: henkster

I believe CK indicated that that ACA should just be funded, let it go and watch it all collapse.

I disagree with the approach as the last time I checked it is not a majority government situation. The HoR has leverage and should use that leverage.


23 posted on 10/10/2013 1:12:00 PM PDT by hawkaw
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To: JPG

If the GOP caves, yet again, maybe this time we can just ignore them for good. The Republicns by and large are a very confused lot and generally not fit to lead.


24 posted on 10/10/2013 1:16:46 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

2011 Budget Control Act

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A complete farse. More feel good legislation that accomplishes nothing except to fool a gullible populace — again and again.


25 posted on 10/10/2013 1:20:11 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: hawkaw

I disagree completely with that approach. 0bamacare (I refuse to call it “ACA” because it is neither affordable nor care) will become permanently entrenched into the fabric of our society with it’s own army of bureaucrats, dependents, and surrounding businesses before it collapses. The cry will be to “fix it” with ever increasing sums of money, rather than to junk it.

That’s the way it always works. I suspect Charles knows this.


26 posted on 10/10/2013 1:20:32 PM PDT by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Charles Krauthammer is not now and has never been a “Conservative”.


27 posted on 10/10/2013 1:21:57 PM PDT by Gator113 (Ted Cruz is settled law.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

NO to the medical device tax repeal these Republicans (those unwilling to fight) ARE Useless!


28 posted on 10/10/2013 1:25:40 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Is John Boehner the Neville Chamberlain of American Politics?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What is Rand Paul’s stance on this? Is he joining these Senate GOP elitists in folding or is he still firmly on Ted Cruz’s side at least on this?


29 posted on 10/10/2013 1:28:48 PM PDT by freedom462
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To: freedom462

I haven’t seen any statement but found this.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/09/christian-conservatives-to-meet-cruz-and-rand-paul/?_r=0

“A group of longtime Christian conservative activists are holding a private meeting Thursday in Washington to hear informal presentations from two of the most talked-about potential Republican presidential candidates: Senators Ted Cruz of Texas, and Rand Paul of Kentucky.

“This is not a fundraiser, nor an endorsement of U.S. Senator Rand Paul or U.S. Senator Ted Cruz, just a great opportunity for you to get to know them and discuss your ideas and views with them and hear of their lives, faith, and respective vision for our nation,” wrote Robert Fischer, a South Dakota-based conservative organizer, in an emailed invitation to dozens of evangelical Christian leaders.

The gathering is being held in conjunction with the Family Research Council’s Values Voters conference, an annual gathering of Christian conservatives in Washington, but it is not an official part of that event. Rather, it is being staged by a loosely-organized group of Republican leaders that call themselves “Conservatives of Faith.”

The hosts include Tony Perkins, the head of the Family Research Council, the former presidential candidate Gary Bauer, the conservative talk show host Janet Parshall and Richard Viguerie, the direct mail pioneer, along with a handful of others from the conservative movement. Mr. Fischer is the group’s chief organizer......................”


30 posted on 10/10/2013 1:38:49 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

People are way, way too wrapped up in the ballgame aspects of this, and are not paying attention to the legitimacy issue (this means you, John Boehner).

The House of Representatives exists for one simple reason - to embody the will of the People, to exercise their RIGHT of self-government, and as a sub-purpose TO CONTROL TAXATION AND SPENDING. They are elected every two years for a reason, and that reason is to ACCURATELY REFLECT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE IN A TIMELY MANNER.

THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE was elected in response to Obamacare. It was elected by the People, not by “Tea Party anarchists” or “arsonists”, and it was elected for a specific reason, which was to overturn and undo an act of the previous House, which was thereby clearly and convincingly shown, in the only available non-bloody way, to NOT be the will of the People.

NO ACTOR IN THIS DRAMA IS MORE LEGITIMATE THAN THE GOP MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE. Not the Senate, not the President, certainly not the Supreme Court.

Yes, the People can and do change their minds. Yes, the People may, as a result of what is happening now, kick out the GOP and return the House to the communists.

But, in the meantime, NO ONE has more right than the House majority to stand their ground and do what the sovereign sent them there to do.


31 posted on 10/10/2013 1:56:17 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Well, it IS The Hill LOL!

The article doesn’t cite enough traitors for Harry to stop the House from raising the debt ceiling.

They know what they’re talking about in the article will lose them seats in the Senate next year so unless there’s something a whole lot better in the works nothing will come of this.


32 posted on 10/10/2013 2:05:49 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: freedom462

Did you see Rand Paul arguing with Dick Durbin on the Senate floor yesterday? It’s on Rand’s YouTube channel. Rand floated an idea that sounded close to the one described in the article. However, the new continuing resolution would make the sequester a little big bigger than the current sequester. I think Paul is involved in the negotiations, at some level. It will be interesting to see where he lands.


33 posted on 10/10/2013 4:57:12 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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