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IS RED STATE AMERICA SECEDING?
WND ^ | 10-10/13 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 10/10/2013 7:43:59 PM PDT by barmag25

In the last decade of the 20th century, as the Soviet Empire disintegrated, so, too, did that prison house of nations, the USSR.

Out of the decomposing carcass came Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Moldova, all in Europe; Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan in the Caucasus; and Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan in Central Asia.

Transnistria then broke free of Moldova, and Abkhazia and South Ossetia fought free of Georgia.

Yugoslavia dissolved far more violently into the nations of Serbia, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Macedonia and Kosovo.

The Slovaks seceded from Czechoslovakia. Yet a Europe that plunged straight to war after the last breakup of Czechoslovakia in 1938 and 1939 this time only yawned. Let them go, all agreed.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/is-red-state-america-seceding/#RJEXqqidHdJgjlMX.99

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: bho44; patbuchanan; redstates; secession; succession
Hmmm...
1 posted on 10/10/2013 7:43:59 PM PDT by barmag25
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To: barmag25

Pat’s off his meds! < /S >


2 posted on 10/10/2013 7:46:54 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: barmag25

“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation”


3 posted on 10/10/2013 7:47:16 PM PDT by scbison
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To: barmag25

No but there is a growing GOP majority within the states and a growing resistance to the federal government.


4 posted on 10/10/2013 7:48:17 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: barmag25

Buchanan would love for the USA to break up so that the European Union could become the next superpower.


5 posted on 10/10/2013 7:49:01 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: barmag25

Fascinating. We have Invasion, Secession, and Fascism all at the same time.


6 posted on 10/10/2013 7:49:49 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: barmag25
Don't make me laugh.

We can't even get one Red State governor to merely nullify one federal mandate.

7 posted on 10/10/2013 7:51:06 PM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Ping!


8 posted on 10/10/2013 7:56:23 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: barmag25

Gee. What a crazy idea. Never seen that discussed around here /sarc. Heck we were talking that during the GWB push for amnesty.


9 posted on 10/10/2013 7:56:50 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Olog-hai

>>Buchanan would love for the USA to break up so that the European Union could become the next superpower.

Yeah...because the EU is such a successful monolithic nation? The only thing that holds them together is competition with the US. If we balkanized, they’d probably go back to monarchies.


10 posted on 10/10/2013 7:56:53 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92

The USA going to pieces would encourage them. And they’d find new enemies to compete with, e.g. Red China.


11 posted on 10/10/2013 7:58:03 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: barmag25

Impeachment File on Communist “B. Hussein Obama,” aka Barry Soetoro, a legal citizen of the Sovereign Nation of Indonesia.


12 posted on 10/10/2013 8:00:43 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Marxist Obama'care' Insurance violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: barmag25
Well, I could have continued working, but sending about half of my income to FedGov and state governments finally pushed me over the edge. I have broken the chains and they are not getting another dime from me. I just get too tired of funding a corrupt and decaying welfare state.

I am now working on taking my money back from them after paying into the system for 31 years. I am moving into “starving the beast” mode.

13 posted on 10/10/2013 8:01:48 PM PDT by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse.)
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To: barmag25

Not a huge Pat fan, but this was a good read.


14 posted on 10/10/2013 8:07:22 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Olog-hai

The European Union is closer to dissolution than we are.


15 posted on 10/10/2013 8:07:52 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: BradyLS

Not quite. There’s no division at the top. And of course they don’t have an armed populace that can think for itself.


16 posted on 10/10/2013 8:10:22 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Europe will never be a cohesive unit unless the muzzrats succeed in taking control, which is a possibility.


17 posted on 10/10/2013 8:13:38 PM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: ExpatGator

Don’t count out the zealots running the EU. They really do have things planned out. Even the fiscal mess the EU is in was planned.


18 posted on 10/10/2013 8:15:41 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: barmag25

Secession would require leaders driven by principle, and we are sorely lacking those at this time.


19 posted on 10/10/2013 8:24:52 PM PDT by matt1234 (obamacare: the "New Coke" of the 21st Century)
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To: barmag25

this is why I feel especially bad for our compatriots in Cali., Maine, NY. And others. I live in Washington county Maryland. As conservative as anywhere in Texas. But alas... we suck. All of beautilful America belongs to US. LET’S TAKE IT BACK!


20 posted on 10/10/2013 8:28:42 PM PDT by Into the Vortex
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To: Olog-hai

I’m not a big Buchanan fan, but that’s absurd....


21 posted on 10/10/2013 8:39:21 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: barmag25

Michigan would split...red state West Michigan, blue state....LanDetArbor...


22 posted on 10/10/2013 8:41:01 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I hope it is. Buchanan is vocally a “Euroskeptic”, but I think he knows that the USA is the real bulwark against the EU actually gaining real hard power.


23 posted on 10/10/2013 8:41:53 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

The EU’s problem is the EU.....period. The US would be stronger is about 3,4,5 conservative states seceeded from liberal states - meanwhile, the Europe will actually be weaker if the EU somehow holds itself together....because their system is simply unworkable.

Besides, world power is not a zero sum game, including economic power.


24 posted on 10/10/2013 8:48:57 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Olog-hai

sorry for the two or three typos in previous post....I’m tired.....should’ve put the keyboard up twenty minutes ago....


25 posted on 10/10/2013 8:49:42 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: barmag25

Secession might provide temporary relief from Liberalism, but it follows you wherever you go.

Liberalism is a product of politics. Politicians can’t help but legislate money & privileges to their constituents to get reelected. Ever more legislation, passed year after year, cannot help but create more entitlements for some at the expense of others. More & more government is the only way a legislator can do his job. Big government & entitlements are the hallmarks of Liberalism.

Too, conservatives do not necessarily have conservative children. The most conservative person I know has a gay daughter. His other 3 kids are rock solid conservative. Some people just don’t have the capacity to be responsible for themselves - they have to be carried by society. If they are in your family, will you put them on a bus to San Francisco?

In an ideal society there would be a fixed set of laws, rarely amended. New laws would be even more rare. Government at the federal & state level would be minimal. The Feds would play no part in health, education, welfare, housing, etc. Government interference in interstate commerce, communication, pollution - those things that span multiple states - would be limited to settling disputes & providing advice.

I know this is not a perfect prescription. It’s a complicated system to govern minimally & impartially. No nation has ever done it. Our species may be incapable of sustained conservative government.

So, conservative secessionists can go create all the new states & nations they want, but if politics (human weakness) rather than set laws governs the country, then Liberalism is just around the corner.


26 posted on 10/10/2013 8:59:12 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

The EU put an unworkable system in place deliberately in order to make it palatable to push the member states to surrender their sovereignty. They do have a backup system waiting in the wings; it won’t come to any good, but it is a power play.


27 posted on 10/10/2013 9:09:28 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: DouglasKC

I think it is not secession but expulsion that is the issue.

I would be less surprised to to see the Blue States try and expel the Red ones. In fact I work with some very left wing fools who are fond of making the argument for expulsion. Interestingly enough they get the Constitutional issue involved. Since the Civil War it is illegal for States to secede but there is no prohibition against expulsion.

The argument they make goes like this

Many Red States (Texas for example) receive more in Federal money than they pay in. If they expel Texas and the other red States then there is actually more Federal money for liberal programs.

The problem is the way they figure the amount of Federal money. It includes things like expenditures on military bases, military payroll and the purchase of things like fighter planes that are made in Ft. Worth. These are not generally items that are considered a subsidy in any sense except liberal math.

It also includes payments to various welfare recipients which should the then Republic of Texas cease to pay would happily move legally or otherwise to a Blues State and the Republic of Texas might be glad to see them go. Texas might even facilitate the immigration process.

I tried pointing this out to a couple of leftist but they didn’t understand


28 posted on 10/10/2013 9:10:04 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: Into the Vortex

Maine? Why do you mention Maine? True, it’s a welfare state, but we have a TEA party guy as governor and, with a third party candidate in the race, he has an even chance of being re-elected.

Our gun rights in Maine, a mostly rural state, are as stong as those in Texas, except we have open carry. In the Second Amendment arena, Maine is nothing like California or New York (thankfully).


29 posted on 10/10/2013 9:10:10 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The Second Amendment makes all the other amendments possible)
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To: Flycatcher

We can’t get one red state governor to say “If it was up to me, nobody would sign up.” Just give a little push.


30 posted on 10/10/2013 9:35:04 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I’ve never really understood the frothing-at-the-mouth Buchanan-haters around here. I’m guessing they’re the more establishment GOP, party hack types.


31 posted on 10/10/2013 9:41:25 PM PDT by Junior_G (Funny how liberals' love affair with Muslims began on 9/11)
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To: Olog-hai

Who are these wizards behind the curtain you refer to as “they’ - who can apparently defy gravity, reality, economics, and history????


32 posted on 10/10/2013 11:55:05 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: barmag25

Let the RED Commies secede.


33 posted on 10/11/2013 12:24:05 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: barmag25
Ironic you should post this....

Here's a list of states where residents have filed secession petitions in recent days:

Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming.

34 posted on 10/11/2013 2:03:13 AM PDT by progunner (no compromise)
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To: barmag25; noprogs; ColdOne; KC_Lion; boxlunch; Jack Black; Nowhere Man
Secession and Anti-Secession Ping and Prayer list
Stories and commentary both for and against secession.

To be added or taken off this list, please send a FR mail to RKBA Democrat. DISCLOSURE: I'm ANTI-secession, but I'll attempt to administer the ping and prayer list fairly for seceshers, ejectors, and anti-seceshers of Good Will. Search the keyword "secessionlist" to see previous articles and pings.

35 posted on 10/11/2013 2:13:28 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: KC_Lion

Thanks for the tip.


36 posted on 10/11/2013 2:13:57 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: Mister Da
Secession might provide temporary relief from Liberalism, but it follows you wherever you go.

You have to go back to the Founders' idea of who should vote ...

... No nonsense about picture ID or whatever ...

Modernized, it would be, roughly, those who net-contribute can vote. The rest not.

It's a conflict of interest for welfare recipients to be voting.

37 posted on 10/11/2013 2:13:58 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

As I understand it, Maine has one built-in defense against Obamunists. Any stupid POS that lives there expecting others to tend to them probably won’t survive the first winter...


38 posted on 10/11/2013 2:53:25 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: cripplecreek

States ought to confiscate illegally held Federal property within their borders; national forests, national parks, etc.


39 posted on 10/11/2013 5:50:12 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

“They” are the elite politicians behind the European Union. Usually those in high places that the press has dubbed a “Europhile”. Examples are people such as Guy Verhofstadt and Jean-Claude Juncker, and in the past people like Franz Josef Strauss.


40 posted on 10/11/2013 6:50:45 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: barmag25

Not a far fetched idea. What unifies us?


41 posted on 10/11/2013 6:55:53 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Olog-hai

...and you think they wanted this “failure” and moreover, are able to defy gravity and keep it together even as it’s broke and increasingly unpopular???

I don’t.....


42 posted on 10/11/2013 6:59:47 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
They’re on record as wanting this failure. It is still ongoing too. They are quite zealous.
The European Commission’s top economists warned the politicians in the 1990s that the euro might not survive a crisis, at least in its current form. There is no EU treasury or debt union to back it up. The one-size-fits-all regime of interest rates caters badly to the different needs of Club Med and the German bloc.

The euro fathers did not dispute this. But they saw EMU as an instrument to force the pace of political union. They welcomed the idea of a “beneficial crisis”. As ex-Commission chief Romano Prodi remarked, it would allow Brussels to break taboos and accelerate the move to a full-fledged EU economic government.
Does it still seem counterintuitive that politicians such as those running the EU would do something like this?
43 posted on 10/11/2013 7:04:05 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: kearnyirish2
A group of Somali immigrants living in Georgia actually targeted the small town of Lewiston, Maine, and moved there to receive the generous "entitlements". They overwhelmed the small town's resources to the point that the mayor politely begged them to stop inviting more Somalis to inundate the town. The Somalis sued the town and won, forcing it to accept more federal dollars to give to them. It was a small, former logging town with many retirees.

The crime rate has risen. The town had to build more "low-income" housing to accomodate the influx of teat-sucking Somalis. They have already trashed the housing through vandalism and through such "cultural" practices as not using the plumbing as intended, making fires on the floor of their apartments, butchering goats, etc. In addition to government teat-sucking and crime, they aggressively panhandle.

Keep in mind, they were already in Georgia receiving "benefits", in a climate much more akin to where they came from. They actually targeted Lewiston in looking for a new place to infest, a place with greater "entitlements". Lewiston had them because they were rarely used. The climate was not the least bit a deterrence.

"Christian" churches such as liberal Lutherans actually receive federal dollars to import these Somalis and dump them somewhere, after which they are the problem of the community where they are dumped. All the liberal Lutherans (and other denominations which are active in this) have to do is bring them over, get compensated, and wash their hands of them. The communities they inflict are then left to deal with the crime and other dysfunction they bring (and most Somalis are Muslim, which is a whole set of problems in addition).

This is how such places as Minnesota, with its Scandinavian heritage and cold winters, have wound up being infested with large Somali populations and all the dysfunction they bring. And billboards exhorting the whites there to examine their "white privilege" , as the unfortunate victims of Mao's cultural revolution were exhorted to "self-criticise".
44 posted on 10/11/2013 7:13:00 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Fai Mao
Many Red States (Texas for example) receive more in Federal money than they pay in. If they expel Texas and the other red States then there is actually more Federal money for liberal programs.

Expulsion would be the best thing to happen to Texas. Free from the EPA, Texas would be the #1 producer of fossil fuels in the world within two years.

45 posted on 10/11/2013 7:22:15 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: mrsmel

I’m sorry to hear that about Maine; when the money runs out they’ll go elsewhere. Minnesotans deserve their plague because when surrounding states started cutting their freebies Minnesota dragged their feet - they got stuck with the “hot potato” (an influx of Americans seeking freebies). The Somalis were just the icing on the cake there.

Here in NJ we are overwhelmed with Hispanics because the politicians want them to keep classrooms and housing full; why don;t these imported refugees get steered into Detroit (using the same logic).

American-Americans have a lot of reason to hate their government (both parties); they’ve opened our borders to skirt the normal supply/demand role in wages, and couldn’t care less how the imported dregs from the Third World rape & pillage Americans...


46 posted on 10/11/2013 7:21:58 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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