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Healthcare Navigators Battling Dedicated Obstructionists—and Fox News
Non-Profit Quarterly ^ | October 9, 2013 | By Rick Cohen

Posted on 10/10/2013 7:53:51 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

The fate of the Affordable Care Act, notwithstanding obstructionism by the Republicans and the nine House Democrats, depends strongly on the success of efforts to get uninsured people to enroll for health insurance.

First and foremost in making this happen are the navigators.

There’s no reason to let the Obama administration off the hook for its own responsibility in making the work of the navigators tough, what with navigator grants that were announced only in August with training materials issued in September for the October 1st start-up of the exchanges, not to mention embarrassing computer glitches. Since the nonprofit sector plays a lead role in the navigators’ function, the treatment and support of the navigator groups is critically important for the nonprofit sector to watch, making sure that health insurance obstructionists don’t make nonprofit navigators into fall guys.

The importance of the navigators cannot be understated. Their success isn’t important just for the Affordable Care Act, but for the reputation and trustworthiness of nonprofits as government contractors. All of us have a duty to counter misinformation about the ACA navigators from the likes of Fox News and the House Energy and Commerce Committee.

(Excerpt) Read more at nonprofitquarterly.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: babies; excusemakers; excuses; failure; navigators; obamacare; rinocare; whinners; winners
October 5, 2013; USA TODAY
1 posted on 10/10/2013 7:53:51 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

A bunch of cry babies trying to blame others and make excuses for something that was never going to work.


2 posted on 10/10/2013 7:57:44 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty or Big Government - you can't have both.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Impeachment File on Communist “B. Hussein Obama,” aka Barry Soetoro, a legal citizen of the Sovereign Nation of Indonesia.


3 posted on 10/10/2013 7:58:39 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Marxist Obama'care' Insurance violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This is the predictable shift of blame for failure. I expect to see much more of this.


4 posted on 10/10/2013 8:04:00 PM PDT by matt1234 (obamacare: the "New Coke" of the 21st Century)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The importance of the navigators cannot be understated.

Nor, apparently, can the intelligence of the author.

5 posted on 10/10/2013 8:06:18 PM PDT by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
First and foremost in making this happen are the navigators.

Wrong. If you want the uninsured to buy insurance you need to offer them a scaled down catastrophic insurance that is cheap, cheap, cheap. And it should be cheap when it is bought through a government navigator.

6 posted on 10/10/2013 8:07:29 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“Navigators”. ROTFL! Those wacky liberals are at it again.


7 posted on 10/10/2013 8:07:35 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The DemocRAT Pahtay! Spending our grandchildren's future, today!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Would you expect anything different from an administration (hauntingly similar to FDR’s) that doesn’t have a single Dept., agency, or other top level manager with any experience or job history other than an incestuous university positions. They have never done anything, been responsible for anything, and have no capability to accomplish anything.


8 posted on 10/10/2013 8:09:17 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (When His Arrogance talks out of his a$$, Harry Reid's lips move.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

How many, out of the dismally low enrollment numbers to date, were paying customers and not Medicaid (no payment required) recipients?


9 posted on 10/10/2013 8:09:37 PM PDT by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

My Barf-o-Meter is binging.


10 posted on 10/10/2013 8:09:42 PM PDT by madison10
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

As the nonprofits enter the health insurance industry, the NGOs and other nonprofits signed up as Navigators are being held to the same consumer protection laws, Health data privacy laws, and state level regulation of trade as the existing health insurance sales industry. That is to say, the NGOs are being held to the same standards as the existing ~600k health insurance agents/brokers in the country.

Most nonprofits in this country can not and will not be able to hold up to this level of scrutiny. It will take time to recruit existing health insurance industry professionals to management, then train the new Navigators.

Very doubtful there is a longterm sustainable strategy due to the abysmal pay scale, and soul crushing mountains of paperwork involved while performing face to face transactions.


11 posted on 10/10/2013 8:13:25 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Insurance companies have had trained, experienced “navigators” for years. They call them sale representatives or agents. The Obamau navigators are a bunch of clueless clowns, just like those in the House and Senate that voted for this monstrosity.


12 posted on 10/10/2013 8:16:24 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The Navigators are hard at work trying to tailor a plan for this poor uninsured fellow:

Meanwhile, crack programmers are hard at work in the wee hours fixing a few minor glitches at the exchange website:


13 posted on 10/10/2013 8:16:58 PM PDT by DeFault User
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To: Interesting Times

“The importance of the navigators cannot be understated.”

Yet the appropriations for the Navigators was abysmally low, and it was the HHS that divvied out the monies to prepare the Navigator programs, not the Congress.
List of Navigator grants:
http://www.cms.gov/CCIIO/Programs-and-Initiatives/Health-Insurance-Marketplaces/Downloads/navigator-list-8-15-2013.pdf

New Jersey has less than 200 Navigators, for New Jersey’s working-age population of nearly 7 million eligible for ObamaCare.

The Navigator program was designed and implemented to guarantee failure. The nonprofits who signed up were the suckers at the poker table, all chomping at the bit to get in on that ObamaCare trough.

As a final note, the Navigator program is not a bad idea, it targets to facilitate subsidies to the most vulnerable people in society, to make sure the transition from the prior system to this quasi-Fascist health care delivery system doesn’t let the vulnerable fall through the cracks. The program was never designed for middle income Americans to use a Navigator to sign up.


14 posted on 10/10/2013 8:23:21 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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15 posted on 10/10/2013 8:29:17 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Just for information....NON-PROFIT doesn’t mean the people in charge get chump change for salaries.

Many, if not most, non-profits pay their top people big, big money because they can reap public relations benefits from the title and get special tax handling from this most corrupt Administration of all time!


16 posted on 10/10/2013 8:33:53 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: Interesting Times

Hmmmm. Navigators? Hmmmm. Can you spell ACORN? I knew you could.


17 posted on 10/10/2013 8:35:41 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; Grampa Dave; tubebender; ElkGroveDan; ScottinSacto; Carry_Okie; NormsRevenge; ...
As one who has helped young and old navigate through the savage markets of formerly freemarket health insurance since before there was ever a Medicare, I prefer to call these creepy, untested, unlicensed and generally unqualified folks Nagivators, instead of Navigators.

Con men are impersonating them to gain personal info to steal identities right and left!!!

Government by liberal lawmakers just makes a mockery of commonsense and traditional American decency!!!

18 posted on 10/10/2013 8:38:12 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I pledge to the USSA & 2 the democrazy for witch it stands, a nation with liberalism & misery 4 all!)
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To: DeFault User

Good gravy, a C64!


19 posted on 10/10/2013 8:39:12 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I just left a comment on that Lefty Website.

Since it is under review, I doubt it will see the light to day. Made me feel better though.


20 posted on 10/10/2013 8:47:56 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Due to the Federal Government Shutdown, the Tagline is closed.)
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To: DeFault User

lol


21 posted on 10/10/2013 8:49:22 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Their success isn’t important just for the Affordable Care Act, but for the reputation and trustworthiness of nonprofits as government contractors.


Perhaps the author potential impact on reputation/trustworthiness of nonprofits as government contractors of the Federal Government’s ban on background checks and especially the ban on questions or background checks regarding applicants or criminal arrest history and felony convictions for Navigators, who are given unprecedented and unsupervised access to the IRS database,

You just can’t make this stuff up.


22 posted on 10/10/2013 9:13:13 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: RetiredTexasVet
(hauntingly similar to FDR’s)

Hauntingly similar to Stalin's you mean, even to the blame for continual failure placed on "wreckers".

23 posted on 10/10/2013 9:16:52 PM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: Rembrandt
Hmmmm. Navigators? Hmmmm. Can you spell ACORN? I knew you could.

It took 17 posts for someone to state the first thought that came to my mind when I saw this.

24 posted on 10/10/2013 9:55:52 PM PDT by NurdlyPeon (It is the nature of liberals to pervert whatever they touch.)
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To: JPG
How many, out of the dismally low enrollment numbers to date, were paying customers and not Medicaid (no payment required) recipients?

In Washington State it is running close to 50:50. A little less than half are Expanded Medicaid and a little more than half are completed enrollments for exchange policies (but waiting for the first month's premium to be paid).

25 posted on 10/10/2013 10:11:33 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

All I want to do is go to the FREAKIN doctor when I am sick,these bastards could screw up a wet dream


26 posted on 10/11/2013 3:35:07 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

To me the fact that they need “navigators” proves the overreaching complexity of the law and its processes. Just design a system that does not need navigators!


27 posted on 10/11/2013 4:02:38 AM PDT by AMDG&BVMH
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Ah, yes, the Navigators.
So nice to see the ACORN folks get a gig in the vote-fraud off-season.
Too bad their pay continues to come out of the tax payers' pockets.
I really don't appreciate being forced to fund the destruction of the world's greatest healthcare system and the economy of the nation.
My tagline:
28 posted on 10/11/2013 4:06:17 AM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: FreeAtlanta

We will soon hear that the reason the on line system is not working is because of outside hacking by the teaparty. Ineptness has nothing to do with it


29 posted on 10/11/2013 4:22:19 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; SierraWasp

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3077845/posts

Ben Carson: Obamacare is ‘Slavery’
ABC News ^ | October 11, 2013 | Abby D. Phillip

Posted on Friday, October 11, 2013 3:12:28 PM by 2ndDivisionVet

Ben Carson is probably best known for his work as a neurosurgeon, but in recent months he has become a conservative firebrand and today he offered some controversial red meat to the audience at the Values Voter Summit in Washington.

Carson, who is a contributor to Fox News, assailed president Obama’s health care law, saying it is akin to slavery.

“I have to tell you, you know Obamacare is really, I think, the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery,” Carson said. “And it is slavery in a way because it is making all of us subservient to the government.”

Carson, who is African American, went on to say that the administration’s push toward Obamacare is reminiscent to a push toward socialism.

“It was never about health care, it was about control,” Carson said. “That’s why when this administration took office it didn’t matter that the country was going off the cliff economically. All forces were directed toward getting this legislation passed.

“Vladimir Lenin, one of the fathers of Socialism and Communism, said that socialized medicine is the keystone to the establishment of the socialist state,” he added...


30 posted on 10/11/2013 4:33:46 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Boycott Reno & Las Vegas until those in control there, remove Reid from the senate!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Only “hundreds” have been able to sign up for a health care plan at the Obamacare websites. The Wall Street Journal reported:

Okay now we will try the landline # 1-800-318-2596 listed above or 1-800-318-2596 = 1-800-FAU-CKYO.


31 posted on 10/11/2013 4:36:14 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Boycott Reno & Las Vegas until those in control there, remove Reid from the senate!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Non-profit Quarterly? Just shoot me now.


32 posted on 10/11/2013 4:43:15 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Grampa Dave
Yes... Mrs. Wasp and I are both very fond of Dr. Carson! In fact we follow his every public act with great admiration and concern!! He belongs to the same church that she and I were raised in and he is deeply concerned about religious liberty (1st Amendment issue #1) and the moral attributes of this nation that are progressively being abandoned!!!

He wants freedom of religious faith, not freedom from it!!! His reference to the ACA as a form of slavery to the government is positively profound!!!

33 posted on 10/11/2013 6:47:41 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I pledge to the USSA & 2 the democrazy for witch it stands, a nation with liberalism & misery 4 all!)
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