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Paul Ryan Flashes Anger at Senate Republicans
National Review Online ^ | October 12, 2013 | Jonathan Strong

Posted on 10/12/2013 7:42:55 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Thank you

It sure does put a light on why one of the supposed young turks in the Pub party appears to be trying to shift the fight from obamacare to better management of big govt.

51 posted on 10/12/2013 8:41:20 AM PDT by wmfights
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To: wmfights

Ryan’s plan exchanges Obama’s silly and punitive hissy-fit cuts (closing parks, shutting down gov websites) for long-term entitlement reform and re-writing the tax code.

It’s exchanging a small can of potted meat with prime rib.

But, you say, it doesn’t get rid of Obamacare, the monster sitting at your front door.

No. Maybe a concession (medical device tax, delay till the website works), but no defunding. The monster sits there, growling.

The reality is that without enough Senators to overrule a Presidential veto, Obamacare cannot be defunded at the moment. You need to get rid of the monster, but you need a weapon with enough power to kill him, not just make him mad.

That happens next year, if all the whiners can see the big picture. Take permanent entitlement cuts and revision of the tax code today, take the Senate next fall.

Let that Obamacare website get up and working. Right now, it’s a joke. When it’s working and people see how it affects them, it will be a nightmare.

I may not like Boehner or Cantor or others in House leadership, but giving up seniority and majority would be suicidal stupidity.

Ryan is a pragmatist and a good guy. I will never agree with him, or any politician, on everything, but we must quit eating our own if we hope to rescue this country.

The 2014 elections are critical. Opponents of this administration must stop bickering and trying to destroy one another, or we are all doomed.


52 posted on 10/12/2013 8:42:42 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Enterprise
"Obamacare is part of the grand strategy to seize power completely."

Wouldn't it be grand if th GOP had a health care plan to replace Obamacare incorporating a way to eliminate free health care for uninsured.

53 posted on 10/12/2013 8:48:01 AM PDT by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I appreciate Ryan finally emerging to help end this standoff, but the biggest problem with the House's approach is that he is seeking another 6 week or so extension, which puts the nation right back into "crisis" mode with another self imposed "cliff" right before Thanksgiving.

The Senate disagrees with that, and so do I.

End these constant "crisis-es" every 6 weeks, or 3 months! Stop this.

It is bad for our country, and for our economy.

For Pete's sake, the House had months to go to Conference after the Senate passed a budget last Spring. They did nothing. Then Congress went on a 5 1/2 week "vacation" last August and September, knowing full well they had this mess on 1 Oct.

Enough of this garbage.

54 posted on 10/12/2013 8:48:07 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: wmfights
My mistake. It seems he's more of a "go along get along" type Pub.

Just looked up his voting record, Ryan voted for the $700 billion bank bailout, the biggest Medicare expansion in U.S. history, a massive highway bill that included the “Bridge to Nowhere” and the Obama 987B stimulus bill!

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/79688.html#ixzz2hWVHn1UA

55 posted on 10/12/2013 8:49:31 AM PDT by thirst4truth (www.Believer.com)
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To: wmfights
Forget winning the Senate and after immigration reform forget winning the Presidency.

With this sentiment its almost easy to sit back and let it all go down, I mean it. Keep spending, keep giving free stuff to illegals and to those who refuse to work and let them eventually really find out what it is like when there is no government left to turn to.

How long do you think it will take? How many more trillions do they have to print, borrow and spend before it is over and collapses?

56 posted on 10/12/2013 8:57:43 AM PDT by thirst4truth (www.Believer.com)
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To: FrdmLvr

“This unwillingness of the principled to call a spade a spade is part of the problem.”

Yes.


57 posted on 10/12/2013 8:59:08 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: FrdmLvr

Yes it is and is why we have a communist in the Whitehouse now!


58 posted on 10/12/2013 9:02:08 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Jedidah

Yes, but we are now choking on pragmatists. Any more of it is a step up into the trains.

Many must be suffering from this new fangled label called “normalcy bias”, a blinder to impending danger.

The clock has run out on these jocks for compromise and endless peace at any price. To hell with that.

Ryan is an affable cull, but he is a cull and he’s proven it, on not a few critical occasions.


59 posted on 10/12/2013 9:03:16 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: SkyPilot

Agree.

Under previous administrations, I do not recall a new budget crisis every 2 months.

Of course, these are ‘manufactured crises’ and, thus, make for good detractors.

Benghazi?

Syria?

Fast & Furious?

It is a 3 or 4 ring circus of distractions: Dems fighting Pubbies who are fighting Pubbies who are fighting Obama. And then they all got out for drinks and comradery after a hard day of partisanship.


60 posted on 10/12/2013 9:03:51 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

“...The time for normal political means is rapidly fading.....”

That it is. These professional political hacks have NO IDEA the outage of the American People right now. Maybe that’s why they’ve brought in thousands of foreign troops to our shores in the past few days....several plane loads have supposedly landed near Fort Polk. IF true, I seriously doubt it’s just a routine “training exercise”. They know it’s just a matter of time. It’s coming and I fear that it’s gonna be ugly. To drive a peaceful, freedom-loving people to this end is just outright evil and an atrocity.


61 posted on 10/12/2013 9:04:16 AM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: bert

Well not everybody. But, many. V’s wife.


62 posted on 10/12/2013 9:06:07 AM PDT by ventana
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To: Theodore R.
One group Paul Ryan never seems to get angry with is his “Democratic friends.”

They are all just one cocktail party away from being a RINO.

Like hookers, democRATS know what will lure them into the trap.

63 posted on 10/12/2013 9:06:55 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Jedidah

What are you smoking? The Ryan plan gives up the store in exchange for some vague PROMISES from a rampaging marxist. The kenyan will to agree to NOTHING right now. His prioirty is destroying the GOP ahead of 2014. Not entitlement reform. LOL. You seem to be believing a complete fairy tale, FRiend.


64 posted on 10/12/2013 9:07:02 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: SkyPilot

Ryan stuck crap in there for negotiations, the time being one of the crap pieces.

He cheerfully ducks the whole battle, for kudos, by misplacing the war declaration...Obamacare.

We’re rubes to be impressed with such chicanery.


65 posted on 10/12/2013 9:08:39 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: lodi90

Amen. Ryan needs to stick to his bottled water, if he can’t use his considerable brains to save the country from socialism, not drag out the clock to facilitate it. He’s done.


66 posted on 10/12/2013 9:13:18 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: wmfights
Ah yes, Case Argentina.

A marvelously sophisticated country goes down the tubes with national socialism, while across the Andes Chile prospers with a rather more free-market approach.

However, there must be something in the water. Both countries have largely european populations, although Argentina is browning up fast with illegal immigrants from less wealthy neighbors. But in prosperous Chile, saved from castro-Style Sovietization by Pinochet's Administration, there are Leftists in Chile trying tosubvert prosperity as we speak.

67 posted on 10/12/2013 9:16:10 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( "Obama, The Movie" Introducing Reggie Love as "Monica! ")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Ryan is absolutely right on that time limit, Collins is dead ass wrong. February of 2014????? Hell NO!!!!


68 posted on 10/12/2013 9:24:30 AM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: onyx

I trust Cruz and a handful of others. The rest are bleating sheep facing ravenous wolves, including wolves in sheeps’ clothing like McCain.


69 posted on 10/12/2013 9:36:22 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's foundinge fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Kenny Bunk
A marvelously sophisticated country goes down the tubes with national socialism, while across the Andes Chile prospers with a rather more free-market approach.

Perfect counter point!

In the USA we think we are above economic forces, but this is just hubris. We can fall just like the British Empire fell, but I don't believe a war will be involved. We are embracing national socialism with fascism/crony capitalism serving as an intermediate stage.

Both countries have largely european populations, although Argentina is browning up fast with illegal immigrants from less wealthy neighbors.

Great point illustrating another similarity between our plight and what we've seen happen to other countries.

70 posted on 10/12/2013 9:56:37 AM PDT by wmfights
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To: wmfights
Paul Ryan is an IDIOT!! We hadVERY UNPOPULAR Obamacare on the ropes and he lets him squirm out and take on VERY POPULAR things like SS and Medicare which will scare a segment we can't afford to scare right now.

PAUL RYAN IS AN IDIOT!!!! Call DR> BENNETT!!

71 posted on 10/12/2013 10:43:23 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

OMG I had NO idea Ryan’s wife was a Lobbyist and most likely a Democrat one at that!! YUK!!


72 posted on 10/12/2013 10:45:47 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: bert
Collins is a Northeast yankee and not really a Republican nor An American for that matter.

I'm a Yankee and so is my Tea Party governor Paul LePage.

73 posted on 10/12/2013 12:22:34 PM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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As Cruz hews to hard line, other 2016 contenders go mute on shutdown
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3077997/posts
[snip] ...in the aftermath of Cruz’s fiery speech... The shutdown went unmentioned by Sens. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), both early champions of the defunding battle. Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), who is working toward a compromise with the White House on the shutdown and debt ceiling that does not erode ObamaCare, made a short argument for his alternate plan in Friday afternoon video message to the group... Paul’s and Rubio’s dodges, and Ryan’s implicit rebuke, demonstrate that they are seeking to avoid being tainted by the fight’s fallout while avoiding any confrontation with the party’s base. Cruz used his speech to frame the debate over ObamaCare and the government shutdown in stark terms, painting it as a key battle in the larger war for individual freedom. [/snip]


74 posted on 10/12/2013 12:37:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: FrdmLvr

Every now and then the folks in Taiwan and/or SKorea have a real duke out on the floors of their parliaments. Kind of refreshing to see someone get a bellyfull of “niceness”. There’s a certain level of snarkiness, like, oh, say Shumer’s, that requires a left hook. A little fear of an actual hit goes a long way toward courtesy and tranquility—— and progress for that matter. If this bunch of milk duds can’t get it done then the “flex” will have to come from outside the hallowed halls. And it WILL come.


75 posted on 10/12/2013 1:09:37 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Looks like a severe case of inbreeding. You can’t breed automatic ingrown liberals with proper animal husbandry.


76 posted on 10/12/2013 1:18:18 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: RitaOK
He cheerfully ducks the whole battle, for kudos, by misplacing the war declaration...Obamacare. We’re rubes to be impressed with such chicanery.

I agree. I am tired of being lied to.

77 posted on 10/12/2013 2:02:04 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
For Pete's sake, the House had months to go to Conference after the Senate passed a budget last Spring. They did nothing. Then Congress went on a 5 1/2 week "vacation" last August and September, knowing full well they had this mess on 1 Oct.

Enough of this garbage.

For Pete's sake? What about America's sake? Since conservatives won the House in 2010 the House has sent MANY budget proposals to the Senate that have been DOA.

There has been NO budget passed since 2009, the right has been compromising with one continuing resolution after another all this time WHILE the Senate hold American hostage to a 2009 LEFTIST budget!

I would not trust anything the Senate originates; regardless, it has been the Senate uncompromising and it should be the Senate that NOW compromises and takes up a House originated budget. The People's House has compromised enough. The federal government is still spending DOUBLE what Bush spent his last year in office. It is time to CUT spending.

78 posted on 10/12/2013 2:06:39 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: lgjhn23
It may come but you are wildly over stating it. Most Americans don't have a clue about what is going on with the government. They are far more concerned with Duck Dynasty, their favorite team, crazy Wives of and other mindless pap.
79 posted on 10/12/2013 4:17:28 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: Jedidah
Take permanent entitlement cuts and revision of the tax code today, take the Senate next fall.

There will be no significant entitlement cuts under this President. Further, Ryan is offer to dilute the sequester as part of that deal, a step backwards. Also, controlling the Senate won't help kill Obamacare, since there will be a Presidential veto until January 2017. I guess you could horse-trade it for another socialist on the Supreme Court, but I'm sure you would not favor that. Finally, Ryan's position on immigration is anathema to the country's best interests.

Paul Ryan lost me when he watered down his budget proposal in March of last year to position himself under Mitt Romney's wing. We see where that straying from principle got him.

80 posted on 10/12/2013 5:15:20 PM PDT by Kennard
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To: Georgia Girl 2

The article states: “One of the most significant differences between a House framework sent to the White House late Thursday and Collins’ plan is the length of time it would extend the debt ceiling. Boehner has put forward a six-week extension, while Collins’ plan has been reported to extend almost until February 2014.”

you stated: “More like he lashed out at Senate Republicans for interfering with his and Boehnor and Cantor’s attempts to cave in to the Whitehouse.”

The article is stating: “Senate Republicans, led by Senator Susan Collins of Maine, are negotiating with Democrats on a package to reopen the government and lift the debt ceiling into next year with relatively modest concessions for the GOP. “

it appears to me that Ryan is upset because Senate Republicans are offering the Democrats a longer debt ceiling extension [c. 4 months] period before budget talks would recommence than what the House/Ryan was proposing: a 6 week extension.

would someone explain why the carping at Ryan??

should Ryan be pleased that the Senate GOP/Collins wants to give this Administration even more time to extend the debt ceiling than what the House/Ryan was proposing?

what am i missing?


81 posted on 10/12/2013 7:40:58 PM PDT by IWONDR
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To: IWONDR

I think you partly answered your own question.

Why would Ryan express surprise that he is getting jammed by senate Marxists, who have no respect for his constant compromises with their point of view? That’s one complaint against him, right there.

The big complaint is he dares to show up for a gun fight, not with a knife, but with a spread sheet, and leaves the declaration of war in the drawer.

What war, you say?

OBAMACARE!

Not one word. Ryan says not one word! Not even a mention, and these guys want one sixth of the economy under government control.

Wake up. Stop ‘wondr’-ing.


82 posted on 10/12/2013 8:10:11 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: IWONDR

“what am i missing?”

Ryan’s plan allows increased Medicare costs for better off seniors to offset some of the sequester cuts. How did we get from defunding Obamacare to backing off on sequester cuts? He’s nuts.


83 posted on 10/13/2013 7:31:47 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It’s good that Ryan is getting angry at the right people. Maybe he’ll add the ObamaCare delay back into his proposal. Those Senators are the ones who want to fund ObamaCare now.


84 posted on 10/13/2013 7:51:05 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
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To: Kennard
Paul Ryan lost me when he watered down his budget proposal in March of last year to position himself under Mitt Romney's wing. We see where that straying from principle got him.

Ryan lost me when he started promoting Amnesty for Illegals.

85 posted on 10/13/2013 4:03:08 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Has Paul Ryan ever flashed anger at a Democrat?


86 posted on 10/14/2013 1:23:40 PM PDT by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!")
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To: Ann Archy

Her maiden name is Boren, niece of the popular OK
Dem David Boren.


87 posted on 10/14/2013 1:25:29 PM PDT by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

CRUSH THE BARRYCADES!!!! NEVER GIVE IN........ODUMBI must stop spending more than he has! Lets not end up like Gingrich giving in to Clinton. This time the PEOPLE WIN.


88 posted on 10/14/2013 1:43:26 PM PDT by TomasUSMC
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To: Qbert

Yeah, makes you wonder for whom you’re supposed to root.


89 posted on 10/14/2013 1:53:45 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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