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Raw Milk Comes Under Attack in South Dakota Smaller Farms Get Hurt
Freedom Outpost ^ | October 12, 2013 | Joshua Cook

Posted on 10/12/2013 7:18:54 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Proposed South Dakota raw milk regulations will make it difficult for smaller operations to continue selling the substance in the state.  Department of Agriculture officials finished a third public hearing on the issue on Wednesday, saying the rules are necessary to ensure safety.  A legislative committee last August had rejected the rules until it had more information on their financial impact for farmers.

The State of South Dakota currently allows the sale of raw milk, though not from retail stores.  Farms are allowed to sell the popular substance directly to consumers. Raw milk must also be clearly labeled as raw, but no other regulations currently exist.  The new regulations would regulate the production, testing and labeling of raw milk in the state.

One of the new regulations would require the labels to have written, "This product has not been pasteurized and may contain harmful bacteria.  Pregnant women, infants, children, the elderly and persons with lower resistance to disease have the highest risk of harm from this product."  This would require farms, both large and small, to redesign their labels and in some cases print more expensive ones.

The other regulations are more severe.  They would require a bottling date, as well as requiring regular testing and setting standards for bacteria and other contaminants.  Some have argued that the regulations – such as those designating maximum numbers of beneficial bacteria – are unreasonably low, and will be next to impossible to achieve.

Many who drink raw milk drink it specifically for these beneficial bacteria.  Individuals have cited raw milk as beneficial for health problems, from arthritis to irritable bowel syndrome.  The idea that the state would regulate the production of raw milk to minimize the very aspects of the product that people find beneficial and appealing simply reiterates the idea that the state feels it knows best.

Another effect of the new regulations would be the favor of larger operations over small farms.  Since 2010, raw milk producers have been required to have a license or permit, and only five dairies in the state are currently licensed to sell raw milk.  The new regulations would push more dairies out of business by imposing testing and labeling requirements which put extra financial burden on the operations.

Citizens believe this law would violate personal freedoms and give unfair advantages to larger farms over smaller competitors. Bigger corporations frequently use lawmakers to create regulations to push smaller operations out of businesses in order to strengthen their market share by reducing competition. Clearly this is a concern in S.D.

Those who oppose this law want the freedom to enter into private, contractual agreements without government interference.

Raw milk connoisseurs want to consume a living product that is fresher, full of nutrients and tastier, not a sterile, pasteurized product. Raw milk proponents say pasteurization – the process of heating milk to kill disease-causing bacteria – kills the good stuff, and they claim the bacteria is beneficial to human health.

There continues to be a high demand for raw milk despite the debate on its health benefits. North Carolina has banned raw milk sales, but residents are buying the products through the black market. According to reports, there is such a high demand that distributors have created "drop sites" in N.C. and will only sell to people they know. For many states "raw milk" has become the "new pot" and purchasing this popular substance will continue to be funneled through the black market despite government regulations.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: blackmarket; diecorporatescum; disease; followthemoney; nannystate; pasteurization; rawmilk; rawmilkgoodforyou; regulations; scam
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1 posted on 10/12/2013 7:18:55 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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Nanny State PING!


2 posted on 10/12/2013 7:19:51 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Major brain damage at UMES, but no property damage!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Raw milk is awesome. Chock full of enzymes and beneficial bacteria destroyed when milk is boiled (same with honey and many other foods). Let people CHOOSE.


3 posted on 10/12/2013 7:22:47 PM PDT by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: reaganaut

Honestly, this whole labeling thing has gone too far. People KNOW who they’re buying from here.


4 posted on 10/12/2013 7:22:52 PM PDT by mrreaganaut (Coolidge 2016!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Raw milk! Yummy!


5 posted on 10/12/2013 7:33:48 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I haven’t had raw milk since I was a kid. At my sister’s farm we milked, separated, bottled and stored it for our own use. As well as delivering some to the creamery in town. The rest went into a giant storage and and the dairy truck came and picked it up.

The raw milk was like skim milk and the cream was to die for. We also churned butter. We collected eggs and ate them fresh every day. I always looked forward to my summer visits of a week or 2 and my occasional extended stays in the winter.


6 posted on 10/12/2013 7:51:02 PM PDT by SolidRedState (I used to think bizarro world was a fiction.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The mythology surrounding raw milk is incredible. Its supposed benefits have no scientifically verifiable basis; they seem to have been invented whole-cloth by those who want to sell their milk without having to invest in pasteurizers or adhere to basic sanitation standards.

Less than 1% of milk consumers consume it raw. A recent study found that someone drinking raw milk is 150 times more likely to get a food-born illness than someone drinking pasteurized milk. Furthermore, the illnesses caused by raw milk tend to be more serious than those caused by contaminated pasteurized milk.

I will be blunt. Those who want to sell their raw milk but resist putting warning labels on it or testing it for microbial content have a lot in common with abortion mills that dig in their hills to resist adhering to standards that even hair salons must meet, while claiming they care about women’s health.


7 posted on 10/12/2013 8:34:38 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom
Well, I won't go as far as comparing raw milk juggers to abortionists, but I agree completely with what you're saying. I've been on hundreds of dairy farms of all sizes, manners and descriptions over the course of my career, and I would no sooner drink raw milk than I would eat food from the bottom of the garbage can.

Fully warned, if people want to drink raw milk that's their affair, and they can win their Darwin awards as far as I'm concerned.

8 posted on 10/12/2013 8:50:43 PM PDT by FredZarguna (The sequel, thoroughly pointless, derivative, and boring was like all James Cameron "films.")
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To: FredZarguna
I don't drink "whole" milk at all, since I discovered Half & Half.
9 posted on 10/12/2013 9:42:59 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: exDemMom

“Less than 1% of milk consumers consume it raw.”

Banning something, aggressively enforcing the ban, normalizing the ban - and then claiming “nobody wants it” does not make for valid statistics.


10 posted on 10/12/2013 9:59:46 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: exDemMom

Equating production of unpasteurized milk to practices at an abortion mill? Wow. Just. WOW. I question why I should even respond. You don’t need any validation from the likes of me. Or do you?


11 posted on 10/13/2013 12:21:33 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: ctdonath2

Stole my thunder. All of us kids were raised on raw milk, fresh eggs and pen raised chickens and hogs, fresh bread and home made butter. Throw in elk, muledeer, pheasant, a couple of species of grouse. We picked wild mushrooms, blue berries, thimble berries and straw berries.The vegetables came from the garden and what we didn’t have we traded for. Our water came from a stream running down a mountain and mom cooked on a woodburning stove. Our refrigerator was the Blue Mountains of Oregon! There was 5 of us kids and all lived nice health lives, I’m the youngest at 63.


12 posted on 10/13/2013 4:47:54 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Rodamala

“Equating production of unpasteurized milk to practices at an abortion mill? Wow. Just. WOW. I question why I should even respond. You don’t need any validation from the likes of me. Or do you?”

Yea I seen it and yea your right, it’s not worth responding to. I sit back and laugh when I see comments such as that. I’ve watched over time how we as people have truley starved ourselves of the wondeful narural riches this earth and GOD provides.


13 posted on 10/13/2013 5:01:57 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Big Ag and Free Trade Communists are the biggest opponents to any type of small farming and ranching. Sad to see SD bought off by Big Ag and Free Trade Communists


14 posted on 10/13/2013 5:56:09 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Fact Is: GOPe want ObamaCare.)
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To: ctdonath2
Banning something, aggressively enforcing the ban, normalizing the ban - and then claiming “nobody wants it” does not make for valid statistics.

The statistics are what they are; I got those from the CDC. This article about consumption of raw milk explains the issue a little more clearly. Ironically, the majority of comments after the article are people who feel that anecdotal experience=scientific evidence.

I have no issue with people who are fully informed and understand both that there are risks and that there are no magical properties of raw milk, and choose to drink it anyway. My big issue is with the people who base their decision to drink raw milk on the mysticism surrounding it, none of which is supported by scientific evidence. Real people get sick and even die because they believe that raw milk is magical.

15 posted on 10/13/2013 6:20:54 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Dusty Road
“Equating production of unpasteurized milk to practices at an abortion mill? Wow. Just. WOW. I question why I should even respond. You don’t need any validation from the likes of me. Or do you?”

Yea I seen it and yea your right, it’s not worth responding to. I sit back and laugh when I see comments such as that. I’ve watched over time how we as people have truley starved ourselves of the wondeful narural riches this earth and GOD provides.

In both cases, the product is aggressively sold on the basis of lies, and the lies are constructed so as to appeal to a certain type of person. Those selling the product have convinced their targeted customers that their product is wonderful and has all kinds of magical benefits; the reality is that they are sociopaths--they are incapable of caring about anyone but themselves--and they are after profit. True, not as many people die from raw milk as die from abortion, but there, the differences end.

16 posted on 10/13/2013 6:25:23 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Dusty Road
I don't like point fingers on here, but the point is this: People have been consuming milk long before Louis Pasteur. Why does the government need to regulate this saying that I can't buy this product from someone I know without fearing that USDA forces are going to be pulled out of shutdown to come and destroy my dairyman's livelihood?

If people are going to start about food safety, they ought to start with the pesticides they put on our food. They ought to take a hard look at farming practices in places like South America and China. They ought to take a look at a box of any processed food in the grocery story and note how soy is in EVERYTHING, and acknowledge that soy is a phytoestrogen and has no business being feed to humans.

FACT: Raw milk contains Lactic Acid producing bacteria, and it doesn't "go bad", it develops culture. The acidification of the milk prevents "bad bacteria" from establishing a culture of it's own. The cream, turns into, literally, sour cream. The skim milk, turns into something much like buttermilk. The product is basically naturally-made kefir, which people are now recognizing many health benefits from. I have had work assignments send me away for 2-1/2 months and coming home, the unopened glass bottles of acidified milk, refrigerated at 41 degrees F were perfect.

It is "an acquired taste" certainly (I could describe the taste perfectly, but not in polite company... let's just say that lactobacteria cultures are natural), but the product is still good, when "store milk" would have been gag and puke city one week after it was bought.

17 posted on 10/13/2013 6:29:42 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: FredZarguna
Well, I won't go as far as comparing raw milk juggers to abortionists, but I agree completely with what you're saying. I've been on hundreds of dairy farms of all sizes, manners and descriptions over the course of my career, and I would no sooner drink raw milk than I would eat food from the bottom of the garbage can.

Fully warned, if people want to drink raw milk that's their affair, and they can win their Darwin awards as far as I'm concerned.

My issue is not that people might choose to drink raw milk; it is that they do so on the basis of mysticism. If they are fully informed and choose to drink raw milk knowing the risks, I have no issue with that. I choose to eat rare steak, but I am under no illusions that the practice is perfectly safe.

18 posted on 10/13/2013 6:36:06 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom
"The statistics are what they are; I got those from the CDC."


19 posted on 10/13/2013 7:56:03 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: ctdonath2

great book that I read almost fifty years ago.


20 posted on 10/13/2013 7:57:28 AM PDT by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.h)
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To: Dusty Road

All that sounds very romantic, and I’m sure it was.

But that was for 7 people.

But how do you provide that same level of romantic life and also feed 300,000,000 people?


21 posted on 10/13/2013 8:15:21 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Damn ObamaCare, full speed ahead!)
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To: Rodamala
I don't like point fingers on here, but the point is this: People have been consuming milk long before Louis Pasteur.

So why is Louis Pasturer remembered and revered? Because once he invented the pasturization method tens of millions of lives have been saved.

22 posted on 10/13/2013 8:21:10 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Damn ObamaCare, full speed ahead!)
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To: ctdonath2

As a trained medical researcher, I am very aware both of the proper use and the misuse of statistics. The book you linked describes a specific type of misuse of statistics, which involves the “correlation = causation” fallacy. Correlations can be strong, but unless a specific mechanism can be established by which X can cause Y, anyone claiming that they proved causation on the basis of statistics does so on the basis of no evidence.

If you want, I can address very specific and widely known incidences of such misuse of statistics. I will not do so at this time in the interest of brevity.

The statistic of 1-3% of people use raw milk products is not a correlative statistic. It is made on the basis of various types of numerical sampling. For instance, random groups of people can simply be asked whether they use raw milk products, and the results of such surveys can be compiled to come up with the incidence of the practice. Another way of getting at that number would be to examine total milk sales and simply divide the quantity of raw milk products by the total quantity of milk sold to end consumers. Since the purpose of such a statistic is purely descriptive, and no one is trying to push an agenda with it, the 1-3% figure is accurate.


23 posted on 10/13/2013 9:51:35 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

You forgot to mention that Pasteur made the production of milk profitable for many farmers, since many people who previously avoided drinking milk began to do so once they knew it was safe.


24 posted on 10/13/2013 9:53:32 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

There was no part of it that was romantic, it was all hard work. I don’t provide for 300 million but I do provide for my family and others that I choose. The rest need to provide for themselves and their families.


25 posted on 10/13/2013 10:32:30 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Balding_Eagle
So why is Louis Pasturer remembered and revered? Because once he invented the pasturization method tens of millions of lives have been saved.

         And they say that now in Paris, France, even as we speak, Louis Pasteur has devised a new vaccine that will obliterate anthrax once and for all!

...Think of it, gentlemen! Hoof and mouth disease, a thing of the past!

26 posted on 10/13/2013 11:25:54 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: exDemMom; Balding_Eagle
On the traditional family farm, butter and cheese production was quite the profitable endeavor to undertake... butterfat being and cheese curds being the marketable commodity. The useless buttermilk and whey was fed to the hogs and chickens as a valuable nutrition supplement... the hogs, chickens, and eggs also being quite the profitable venture to raise and market...

...then came government interference and corruption of a free and open market and the introduction of the Big Agriculture crony capitalist lobby, having farmers paid off to not produce... leaving fields to go fallow for a government handout.

Outrageous.

Now, that has been warped further with corn and soy subsidies from the federal government... to produce useless products that consumers do not need in a free market.

No, thank you.

27 posted on 10/13/2013 11:41:46 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Dusty Road
The rest need to provide for themselves and their families.

You're right, they do. That's why pasturized milk is so critical.

28 posted on 10/13/2013 2:30:47 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Damn ObamaCare, full speed ahead!)
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To: Rodamala

As a former farmer, I can smell bullshit, upwind, from a mile away.

While I doubt you are deliberately lying in your posting, I imagine it’s ignorance, however those words are’t even near the truth.


29 posted on 10/13/2013 2:34:16 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Damn ObamaCare, full speed ahead!)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Former farmer. Nuf’ said.


30 posted on 10/13/2013 2:46:43 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Balding_Eagle

Former farmer. Nuf’ said.


31 posted on 10/13/2013 2:46:49 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Rodamala

LOL! You’re right, enough on my credentials.

What I appreciate about your posts is that they are so over the top that no reasonable person believes them.

OK, I’ve wasted enough of my few remaining years on you.


32 posted on 10/13/2013 2:53:00 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Damn ObamaCare, full speed ahead!)
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To: Rodamala

LOL! You’re right, enough on my rather lengthy credentials.

What I appreciate about your posts is that they are so over the top that no reasonable person believes them.

OK, I’ve wasted enough of my few remaining years on you.


33 posted on 10/13/2013 2:53:44 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Damn ObamaCare, full speed ahead!)
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To: Balding_Eagle

34 posted on 10/13/2013 3:04:51 PM PDT by Rodamala
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35 posted on 10/16/2013 7:54:43 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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