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Obama: “I Will Not Negotiate” (And If I Don't Get My Way, I'll Throw A Temper Tantrum)
Townhall.com ^ | October 13, 2013 | Bruce Bialosky

Posted on 10/13/2013 8:05:15 AM PDT by Kaslin

You would have had to be under a rock to miss our President stating that recently. He mouthed that repeatedly during the budget debate and the government shutdown. It became his mantra leading up to the impending vote for raising the debt ceiling. The constitutional lawyer was apparently absent the day they taught that we have three co-equal branches of government. More than anything else, Mr. Obama apparently does not understand how the debt ceiling works.

President Obama has regularly repeated “I will not negotiate over the full faith and credit of the United States.” Certainly he may mean that, but it appears he does not really understand the nature and the history of the debt ceiling. Or like many other things he may just be choosing to ignore it.

As with many other things, there was not always a debt ceiling. It was not part of our Constitution, as I am sure the Founders of our country never envisioned us being this much in debt. In fact, until 1917 the Congress had to authorize every specific incident of the country contracting debt. Then the United States entered World War I. Six months after our entry into the war, the Congress passed the Second Liberty Bond Act. The concept of a debt ceiling was created in this act. The law allowed the executive branch to issue bonds or incur other debt without Congressional approval. The debt could be issued up to a pre-established limit. The law was signed by the then most liberal President (Wilson) the country has had (other than the current one). It was passed by a Congress that had a plurality of Republicans in the House and a majority of Democrats in the Senate.

You may wonder what the leaders were thinking at the time. You can surmise that they wanted to provide flexibility to the President during a time of war. But since financial matters originate in the House, they did not want to provide a carte blanche to the executive branch to incur unlimited debt.

Thus, they established that a vote would have to be taken any time the debt ceiling would be raised. And it has been that way for 96 years. A vote in the Congress is by definition a political event. During the past 96 years there have been numerous votes regarding raising the debt ceiling, and I cannot remember a President flatly stating he will not negotiate.

Just to be clear there have been 53 votes to change the debt ceiling just since 1978. Of those votes only 26 were passed without being tied to other policy issues. The other 27 times (more than half) the debt ceiling was raised as part of either a comprehensive package or tied to significant reforms.

One of the arguments the President makes for his unique position revolves around the manner in which the debt was created. Mr. Obama states that the Congress is just approving the debt for expenditures to which they have previously committed. But our President once again deliberately misstates the facts. He seems to forget that his partner-in-crime, The Undertaker, has not passed a budget out of the U.S. Senate in four years. Well, that is technically incorrect. The Senate did pass a budget, but the Undertaker has ordered Senator Patty Murray, chair of the Senate Budget Committee, to not conference with Paul Ryan and the House Budget Committee as directed by the Constitution. That is why there has been a fight over a continuing resolution to keep the government operating. We once again have no official budget. But why should the Democrats in the Senate follow the law when they know they are doing the right thing?

One writer stated “I know of no other developed nation that has a debt ceiling. This is purely a recurring symbolic vote to make people feel good by voting against it.” That may have been so when Mr. Obama was in the U.S. Senate and voted against raising the debt ceiling during the Bush Administration. But times have changed. We have a President who has spent recklessly, and we have a Senate that has enabled him by not following their Constitutional obligation and approving a budget which might control that spending.

When Liberals are screaming about how irresponsible those crazy Republicans are with trying to negotiate over the debt ceiling, you can now educate them with facts. Then again, as has been said, facts to a liberal are like kryptonite to Superman.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: barrycades; debtceiling; governmentshutdown; operationwhipcracker; resident0bama

1 posted on 10/13/2013 8:05:15 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

We have a childish President who needs his butt blistered! If only we had Republicans with BALLS (sorry) but obviously we don’t.


2 posted on 10/13/2013 8:08:09 AM PDT by Cricket24
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To: Kaslin

obama folded so easily to the syrians ... how come the republicans can’t see that he’s a spineless puss.


3 posted on 10/13/2013 8:08:35 AM PDT by ChiefJayStrongbow
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To: Kaslin

“Waaah! Waaah! Waaah!” - Barack the Kenyan.


4 posted on 10/13/2013 8:09:00 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The DemocRAT Pahtay! Spending our grandchildren's future, today!)
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To: Kaslin

Pubbies....give Obama...nothing, zilch, zero, zippo, etc.!!! Let him go over the cliff with his Obamabot low life Democrat vermin!!! Time to stick and band together, Pubbies!!! Screw RINOs McConnell, McCain, Graham, Cornyn, etc.!!! They are all traitors to the USA and really are just Obamabots in drag!!!


5 posted on 10/13/2013 8:12:17 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: Kaslin

He’s executing the biggest Chicago-style ‘bust-out’ the country has ever seen. In a bust-out, the mobsters use the good credit of a going concern to borrow money to be looted, finally leaving a shell company with huge debts and abysmal credit rating. When the full faith and credit of the US is gone, his bust-out is over, so no wonder he wants to keep that up as long as possible.


6 posted on 10/13/2013 8:13:36 AM PDT by expat2
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To: Kaslin
This standoff is about whether Obama will get his way or not. I was watching HLN and they were explaining to their viewers the difference between the shutdown and the debt ceiling.

They totally mischaracterized both of them as irresponsible attempts to stop the president from doing his job.
This is the level of information being put out to the public.

7 posted on 10/13/2013 8:15:01 AM PDT by oldbrowser (The debt limit is the emergency brake on government spending)
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To: Kaslin

Fine numbnuts. We don’t want a government with that ability anyway.

Don’t negotiate a damn thing, just dry up and blow away already.


8 posted on 10/13/2013 8:16:34 AM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: oldbrowser

I know, it’s either his way or the highway


9 posted on 10/13/2013 8:19:02 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Cricket24
You mean like impeaching that arrogant pos? The House can impeach him but the Senate with the Rats in the majority won't remove him.

Will you help us to get not only the majority, but the Super majority back in 2014?

Personally I think the entire administration should be impeached and removed

10 posted on 10/13/2013 8:24:56 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

I agree 100 percent


11 posted on 10/13/2013 8:25:41 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

Ole Pres—ent “Stompy Feet” in the Spite House just isn’t getting his way!


12 posted on 10/13/2013 8:31:08 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: ChiefJayStrongbow

Negotiates with real terrorists, but not the opposition party.
I guess he considers Republicans a greater threat than Muslims with bombs and poison gas.


13 posted on 10/13/2013 8:34:30 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: Kaslin

I love the say the Demorats and media refer to the negotiations as “extortion”.

The give and take for them is “extortion”.

That must be because they are so used to just the “take” part and have never had to give anything.

No wonder these people hate free enterprise and business and have lived all their lives on the “take”.


14 posted on 10/13/2013 8:35:35 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Kaslin
He's occupied the administration building and issued a nonnegotiable demand.

What is this, Columbia 1968?

15 posted on 10/13/2013 8:36:50 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: Kaslin
KRAKEN
16 posted on 10/13/2013 8:38:01 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: Kaslin

I apologise in advance for being nit-picky, but just as with the use of the word “gay” to refer to sodomites, I wish people would stop calling the opposition “liberals”. These people aren’t “liberal” in any sense, they passed that marker years ago. If “commie” is too strong, “leftists” will do. But they are not “liberal”, just as sodomites are not “gay”.


17 posted on 10/13/2013 8:47:44 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Bushbacker1

It’s called temper tantrum


18 posted on 10/13/2013 8:51:12 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

19 posted on 10/13/2013 8:52:26 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Uncle Chip
Jack Lew threatened the military the other day that they would not get paid if the debt ceiling will not be increased.

I call that a criminal extortion.

20 posted on 10/13/2013 8:57:05 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

What fool has full faith and credit for the American dollar any more.

Our dollar has one foot in a grease spot and another on a banana peel.


21 posted on 10/13/2013 9:03:24 AM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: Kaslin

The administration and 3.3rds. of the Congress along with most of the Supreme Court.

Especially the blackmailed Justice Roberts.


22 posted on 10/13/2013 9:05:59 AM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: Kaslin

President Stompy Foot always has to get his way!


23 posted on 10/13/2013 9:11:36 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: Cricket24

Obama has Reid carrying his water with all the “it’s not gonna happen” rhetoric. Obama has managed to maintain a perfect Zero for accepting responsibility...


24 posted on 10/13/2013 9:14:13 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Tanniker Smith

Spoiled brats usually think they are entitled to.


25 posted on 10/13/2013 9:20:06 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Venturer
How many times has Chief Justice agreed with the liberal justices? One time. You act like as if he did every time.

Stop it.

26 posted on 10/13/2013 9:23:14 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

Stop It?

Justice Roberts is the reason for this shut down.

It was he who pulled this mess out of the fire. If he had ruled correctly Obamacare would be gone or at least in a lot of trouble..

Stop It? I do not have that intention.

Justice Roberts sold America out.


27 posted on 10/13/2013 9:26:08 AM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: Venturer

That is your opinion and you are entitled to it.


28 posted on 10/13/2013 9:40:30 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

Massive payments of Payroll taxes are sent to Washing every day.

Telling Americans they will ‘be out of money’ on the 17 th is a blatant lie.

Are employers being told to NOT send in their Payroll Tax Deposits?

As a life-long bookkeeper, I seriously doubt it.


29 posted on 10/13/2013 10:02:09 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Kaslin

Thank You. So many times in here people feel that people with opposing opinions have no rights.

Respect for the rights of others is lax here.


30 posted on 10/13/2013 10:52:43 AM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: Kaslin

I hate Obama more than anything . then I hate democrats then I hate socialism. but that’s all the same thing

Obama = democrats = socialism


31 posted on 10/13/2013 10:57:39 AM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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To: Kaslin

I hate Obama more than anything . then I hate democrats then I hate socialism. but that’s all the same thing

Obama = democrats = socialism


32 posted on 10/13/2013 10:57:58 AM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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To: Venturer
Stop It? Justice Roberts is the reason for this shut down. It was he who pulled this mess out of the fire. If he had ruled correctly Obamacare would be gone or at least in a lot of trouble.. Stop It? I do not have that intention. Justice Roberts sold America out.

Roberts exposed the heart of the beast. All Americans had to do is acknowledge what he showed them, and they'd be free. But they walked away from the truth.

He did what he could. It's not his fault if people want to play games with their freedom, rather than protect it.

33 posted on 10/13/2013 11:15:54 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

He could have dissented to Scalia and just be done with it. He did not.


34 posted on 10/13/2013 11:33:07 AM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: Kaslin

I don’t think the R party’s leaders or most of its members realize how important Obamacare is to the Dem party. The Dem party has wanted this for decades and it is considered the ultimate achievement in the establishment of a socialist gov’t. No less that Dem saint T Kennedy sought this and it is worth everything the Dem’s can muster to fight for it. They passed it in a very sleazy way, trying to quickly outfox the American citizenry, and will fight with every cell in their socialist bodies to see it stay in place. Its failings, risks, and impossible costliness are of far less concern to Dems than having it. Control over American health care is too important to the Dems to allow it to be compared with any previous political or government efforts.

The R’s need to grasp this if the R’s are to understand how challenging it will be and how hard they must fight to counter Obamacare. If they take up the fight, the R’s have the benefit of a large amount of public support for the fight against Obamacare.


35 posted on 10/13/2013 12:18:17 PM PDT by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: eyedigress
He could have dissented to Scalia and just be done with it. He did not.

That's because Scalia avoided the real issue. They all did, except Roberts.

Roberts pointed out that Obamacare was limited in application to corporate entities, as specified by the tax code itself.

It was the most heroic ruling in SCOTUS history.

36 posted on 10/13/2013 12:26:03 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker
It was the most heroic ruling in SCOTUS history.

Really....

37 posted on 10/13/2013 12:30:09 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: Kaslin

Obama: “I will not negotiate...”
Obama: “I have bent over backwards...”

Zero is a complete and utter failure of a leader and a damned liar.


38 posted on 10/13/2013 1:13:21 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Kaslin

October 17 is Debt Default D-Day. Adjust your stock and bond holdings to account for the looming Market hissy fit.


39 posted on 10/13/2013 1:14:42 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
Democrats, and the arrogant resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, particular, believe that continually taking on more debt to pay existing debt is a more responsible course of action. Even worse, they appear to believe that debt accumulation is the equivalent of economic growth.

Can you say morons?

40 posted on 10/13/2013 2:20:33 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: eyedigress
It was the most heroic ruling in SCOTUS history.

Really....

Really: One Stone, Two Powers: How Chief Justice Roberts Saved America

41 posted on 10/13/2013 4:48:52 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

Why didn’t Roberts rule that taxes must be derived in the House of Representatives?

OK, I read it.

Let’s see what happens.


42 posted on 10/13/2013 4:57:53 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: eyedigress; Talisker

I believe Talisker is referring to the corporate takeover of the united States by UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.


43 posted on 10/13/2013 5:26:35 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: eyedigress

Thanks for reading it.

And indeed, it looks like we’re going to get to see what happens whether we want to or not.

God save the United States of America.


44 posted on 10/13/2013 8:18:40 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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