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How Ted Cruz won and the GOP lost
Washington Post ^ | October 13, 2013 | Chris Cillizza

Posted on 10/13/2013 9:48:27 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Edited on 10/13/2013 11:13:20 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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1 posted on 10/13/2013 9:48:27 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The GOP hates Cruz because he understands being a leader and fighting for the win. They find it oh-so inconvenient to be forced/shamed into standing tall for even a little while. Ted Cruz is the kind of leader who can count on his followers being willing to crawl through a 100 yards of broken glass for him.


2 posted on 10/13/2013 9:54:50 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The Values Voter Summit is hardly a tea party stronghold. Previous winners of this straw poll are people like Santorum and Huckabee.


3 posted on 10/13/2013 9:55:22 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

GOP is done. Stick a fork in it.


4 posted on 10/13/2013 9:57:18 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: BarnacleCenturion

The 21 hour speech is discussed. I had to edit for allowable text.


5 posted on 10/13/2013 9:58:07 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"Finding a way to put immigration in its political rear-view mirror, focusing on debt and spending rather than repealing health care — these are sound strategic goals for a Republican party that badly needs to re-imagine its national coalition in 2016."

In other words - The GOPe should just keep on with their losing Strategery, just kept repeating the mantra "Don't get a we-weed up, We'll get 'em next time".

6 posted on 10/13/2013 9:58:57 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: trebb

The GOP senate and house leadership is filled with the sort of quislings that eventually destroyed the Roman Empire. Either they stand up as free Americans and fight for the
Constitution or the nation is doomed.


7 posted on 10/13/2013 9:58:58 AM PDT by ez (Muslims do not play well with others.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Simple - Cruz stood up for the people. The GOP didn’t.


8 posted on 10/13/2013 9:59:50 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: ez

With you 100% - God Bless those taking down the barry-cades in defiance of the “won” and his minions.


9 posted on 10/13/2013 10:00:24 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
" That sort of radical change leaves lots of victims in its wake. At the moment, the Republican party is one of them."

Yep, the GOPe needs Fundamental Transformation.

10 posted on 10/13/2013 10:01:29 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
isn't ironic; that the Republican Party IS now (effectively) Defunct...
a casualty of Cruz's success.

11 posted on 10/13/2013 10:01:42 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: Starboard

Maybe it should now be known as the GYP. GOP is beyond expiry date.


12 posted on 10/13/2013 10:08:44 AM PDT by sanjuanbob
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

13 posted on 10/13/2013 10:10:46 AM PDT by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: sanjuanbob

It’s shelf life expired long ago.


14 posted on 10/13/2013 10:11:00 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: trebb

One man with strong convictions and the courage to speak out for them = the majority of one.

People WILL follow conservative principles if those who believe in them just make their case clearly and well. Ted Cruz does both, believing and stating.

And conservatism is not just a product, it is a principled paradigm.

And probably the worst guide in the world for how to live your life, except for all the rest of the ideologies that somehow never measure up to the exalted expectations set for those doctrines.

“Tried and found wanting?” More like, “Found too difficult to reconcile with badly twisted philosophies, and left untried.”


15 posted on 10/13/2013 10:11:56 AM PDT by alloysteel (Those who deny natural climate change are forever doomed to stupidity. AGW is a LIE.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Ronald Reagan was far from a GOP darling at first either. Ronaldus Magnus had his run-ins with the GOP-e. Remember the “I PAID for this microphone...” moment?!?!?! I say that we remain on ‘Cruz Control’ for a while longer and kick Mitch and Boehner to the curb.


16 posted on 10/13/2013 10:13:46 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
How Ted Cruz won and the GOP lost

Well, to be fair, Cruz employed a brain, a spine, and a pair of testicles. You can't fault the GOP for losing to a guy armed with stuff they've never seen before. ;)

17 posted on 10/13/2013 10:14:53 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking

Well said....


18 posted on 10/13/2013 10:34:00 AM PDT by Gator113 (Ted Cruz is settled law.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Ted Cruz is “the Ronald Reagan” of 2016.


19 posted on 10/13/2013 10:38:14 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Cizilla quotes some consultant that says the problem with Cruz’ strategy is that it has zero chance of success.

And to support this supposition, republican politicians from Coburn to P. King are out there screaming that we can’t win because the GOP doesn’t have it in them to stick together long enough to score. “They’ll roll like pancakes.”

What they don’t understand is that THIS is why we despise them so. We can’t win because we can’t do what’ll it’ll take to win. So, vote for us, so that we can be in a position not to win next time, too!

There is a 100% chance that the Cruz strategy will win, IF they stick together.

Vote out all the small CRs that the GOP believes it needs to fund what truly needs to be funded, vote out a debt limit with a defund of Obamacare attached, and put the House in recess.

Tell Reid and Obama that we’ll call the House back in session after they pass the bills to fund government, but, with government closed, they see no need to hold their representatives hostage in Washington.

“While we wait on Reid and President Obama to act to end the shutdown, we believe the best use of our time in the House is to connect back home with our constituients.”

And then leave.

The House controls the purse and that means that the House controls the discussion. This idea that there’s a zero percent chance that we can win on this issue summarizes EVERYTHING that is wrong with the GOPe.


20 posted on 10/13/2013 10:40:57 AM PDT by ziravan (Choose Sides.)
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To: Starboard
GOP is done. Stick a fork in it.

Good! Time for a NEW PARTY headed with REAL CONSERVATIVES like TED CRUZ, MIKE LEE, SARAH PALIN, ALLEN WEST, and others.

21 posted on 10/13/2013 10:46:39 AM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: Paladin2
In other words - The GOPe should just keep on with their losing Strategery, just kept repeating the mantra "Don't get a we-weed up, We'll get 'em next time".

You hit the nail right on the head with that statement.

The current GOP is made up mostly of politicians who are WAITING for something to happen rather than MAKING THINGS HAPPEN.

Very little LEADERSHIP or BACKBONE from the GOP as a whole.

22 posted on 10/13/2013 10:57:27 AM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
This farcical notion that Ted Cruz has hurt the Republican cause is all based on one outlier poll by NBC/WSJ that was even being used on FOX News Sunday like an out-and-out LIAR!!!

ObamaCare is self-destructing all over the place, yet that goofy Krugman on ABC was trying desperately to claim that the exchange website in CA is a smashing success. Peggy Noonan kept refuting it and she's right. Only about 6,000 out of about one million visitors have been able to actually enroll!!!

The day before that skewed poll with a huge increase in government employees included who most likely are AFSCME and SEIU and other government unionized using their lockstep union dictated talking points all of a sudden gives the GOPe an unjustified lift (along with Harry Reid and the Dems) to try once again to make a whipping boy out of the Tea Party. This inspite of the fact this is all one big "pitched battle!"

First Dubya and the Repubs win a big one in 2006 and the Dems panick and begin admitting they don't look too good to voters in the "values" arena. Then Jocko wins in 08 which upsets Repubs and the Tea Party is born and blows out the Dems in 2010 like never before! Then Obozo wins again over a good but non-flashy candidate and the GOPe now tries to halt the rise of the TP that gave them unprecedented victory just as The IRS and other agencies have the TP in a unprecedented straight jacket!!!

If Christ returned as a baby once again he'd be crucified once again. If Ronald Reagan was resurected in the body and mind of Ted Cruz with the backing of the TP, it's a cinch the GOPe would reject him and continue losing as is their habit!!!

This is a pitched battle for the soul of America and fiscal conservatism as well as social conservatism. The GOPe will never win again without both in charge of the Party!!! American voters are beginning to catch on that bloated government is not their friend!!!

23 posted on 10/13/2013 11:08:28 AM PDT by SierraWasp (I pledge to the USSA & 2 the democrazy for witch it stands, a nation with liberalism & misery 4 all!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
super man ted cruz

TED CRUZ:


24 posted on 10/13/2013 11:14:26 AM PDT by jimsin
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To: SierraWasp
This farcical notion that Ted Cruz has hurt the Republican cause is all based on one outlier poll by NBC/WSJ that was even being used on FOX News Sunday like an out-and-out LIAR!!!

Yeah, you know anytime the media feigns concern about Republicans' political future it's either intentional disinformation, OR, if on some rare occasion one of them were being sincere, it would still be an opinion formed by his upside-down view of what's right and what's popular, so it would STILL be 180 degrees out of sync with the truth even if he thought he were giving valid advice.

25 posted on 10/13/2013 11:21:39 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: SierraWasp
Only about 6,000 out of about one million visitors have been able to actually enroll!!!

And don't assume it's entirely the website -- it may be that the plan offerings are so undesirable that out of the million, only 50,000 were even willing to buy, and then out of that only 6,000 were able or something like that.

26 posted on 10/13/2013 11:23:50 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking
Yes, both your replies are SPOT ON!!!

Now I've got to go see that thread about the Washington Examiner's article about the poll being bogus. Rush pointed out yesterday that the "internals" showed that 20% of respondents were government employees. Normally, only 5% are government respondents.

Given that we're in the middle of a government "Lock-Out," not so much a shut-down, that further colored those GovernMental employee responses!!!

This is commonly known in political consultant circles as a "PUSH-POLL!"

27 posted on 10/13/2013 11:38:56 AM PDT by SierraWasp (I pledge to the USSA & 2 the democrazy for witch it stands, a nation with liberalism & misery 4 all!)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
The Values Voter Summit is hardly a tea party stronghold. Previous winners of this straw poll are people like Santorum and Huckabee.

What's wrong, they Paul supporters weren't able to stuff the ballot boxes at this one?
28 posted on 10/13/2013 11:39:06 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Cincinatus' Wife. The Partisan Media Shill author:
...the Long Star State.
I checked, it's in the original text right now. Hey, stupid writer and editor -- it's Lone Star State". But at least he didn't use the term "tea-baggers" (this time).


29 posted on 10/13/2013 11:40:07 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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30 posted on 10/13/2013 11:41:43 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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Rand Paul’s immigration speech
03.19.13 | Hon Sen Rand Paul (KY)
Posted on 03/19/2013 7:04:07 AM PDT by Perdogg
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2998395/posts

...The Republican Party must embrace more legal immigration.

Unfortunately, like many of the major debates in Washington, immigration has become a stalemate-where both sides are imprisoned by their own rhetoric or attachment to sacred cows that prevent the possibility of a balanced solution.

Immigration Reform will not occur until Conservative Republicans, like myself, become part of the solution. I am here today to begin that conversation.

Let’s start that conversation by acknowledging we aren’t going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants.

If you wish to work, if you wish to live and work in America, then we will find a place for you...

This is where prudence, compassion and thrift all point us toward the same goal: bringing these workers out of the shadows and into being taxpaying members of society.

Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers.12 million more people assimilating into society. 12 million more people being productive contributors.

[but he’s not in favor of amnesty, snicker, definition of is is]


31 posted on 10/13/2013 11:41:58 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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Media Pushing Bogus Polls To Force GOP Cave
10/13/2013 | Me
Posted on 10/13/2013 1:50:53 AM PDT by Viennacon
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3078263/posts


32 posted on 10/13/2013 11:42:20 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: SierraWasp

Sounds like an interesting thread. I’ll go check it out too.


33 posted on 10/13/2013 11:42:48 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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This farcical notion that Ted Cruz has hurt the Republican cause is all based on one outlier poll by NBC/WSJ that was even being used on FOX News Sunday like an out-and-out LIAR!!! .....................

If reports of Republican panic on Capitol Hill are accurate, a big reason is likely the latest NBC/Wall Street Journal survey, which purports to show the public overwhelmingly disapproves of the GOP's role in the government shutdown.

..........[snip]....

But there is much less here than at first appears. For one thing, the survey is based on interviews with "adults," not "likely voters," which significantly lessens its usefulness in predicting the shutdown's impact on the 2014 election.

The sample size is only 800 when 1,000 or more is preferable because it usually boosts the confidence level in the results and lowers the margin of error.

But what really detracts from its usefulness is the fact the survey, which was conducted jointly for NBC and the Wall Street Journal by Democratic pollster Peter Hart and GOP pollster Bill McInturff, uses a seriously flawed sample.

As BlueCollarPerspective's Charles Hawkins points out, the sample is heavily over-weighted by the presence of government workers — 20 percent, which is two-and-a-half-times the rate for the general public — and there too many Democrats and too few Republicans being interviewed.

From a statistical perspective, public opinion surveys absolutely depend upon randomness in sample selection. The most accurate survey is produced when every potential respondent has exactly the same chance of being selected as every other potential respondent.

It's impossible to achieve perfect randomness, but the closer a sample gets to it, the more accurate it will be. Hart and McInturff are reputable pollsters, so it appears they simply drew what amounts to an outlier survey sample.

That makes the survey all but useless as support for strategic decisions by anybody involved in the shutdown debate. But it is perfectly consistent with the conventional wisdom of the traditional media, which is heavily skewed against the Republicans, so expect to hear it cited repeatedly in the next few days......"

34 posted on 10/13/2013 11:54:39 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
First Dubya and the Repubs win a big one in 2006

Perhaps you meant 2004? The Republicans got their asses handed to them in 2006. That's the year Nancy Pelosi took over as Speaker of the House.

35 posted on 10/13/2013 12:22:33 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: ez

This nation’s doom will not come from the inaction of a bunch of corrupt politicians, but from the inaction of true American patriots.


36 posted on 10/13/2013 12:22:59 PM PDT by Red White and Blue patriot
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If WAPO says the GOP lost, you got to believe they won as did Cruz! The RATS are getting nervous, that’s why they’re trying to brainwash the public with there phony polls.


37 posted on 10/13/2013 12:24:08 PM PDT by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: ziravan

NOW the GOP is fearful that victory would lead to Ted Cruz becoming de facto leader of the entire party. And on this rare occasion, the GOP-e is correct. Bob


38 posted on 10/13/2013 12:34:18 PM PDT by alstewartfan ("Guardian angels, wherever you may be Reach down and keep my soul for me. Al Stewart)
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To: ziravan
Cizilla quotes some consultant that says the problem with Cruz’ strategy is that it has zero chance of success...

Unfortunately, that's correct. It's a no-win situation.

I watch Boehner and it reminds me of a few things...in The Godfather, Michael tells Tom he'll be sitting this battle out..."I need a wartime Consigliere."(sp)

This is war, and Boehner is no wartime Consigliere.

Then I'm reminded of a dancing bear...they say you shouldn't be critical of the way the bear dances, you should be amazed he can dance at all.

Boehner is not suited for the task. Going to war with this general is suicide. I'm sure he's a nice man, but he's totally unsuited for the task at hand.

39 posted on 10/13/2013 1:15:49 PM PDT by gogeo (I didn't leave the Republican Party, it left me.)
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The Values Voter Summit is hardly a tea party stronghold. Previous winners of this straw poll are people like Santorum and Huckabee.

And that fact serves as a testament to the mans values and character. (If) his name appears on the ballot in 2016 I will be so very happy to pull the lever for him also be happy to contribute some $$ to him when he announces for his run. Go Ted Cruz. You're the best man for the job by far.

40 posted on 10/13/2013 2:37:02 PM PDT by Ron H.
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To: gogeo

Filling a spot critical to the protection of my liberty when unable or unwilling to do so is NOT the act of a nice man. It’s like when you’re on the airplane — if you’re unwilling or unable to work the emergency exit, DON’T sit in that row and make those who are, climb over you to get free.


41 posted on 10/13/2013 2:47:10 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Where is the Long Star State?


42 posted on 10/13/2013 3:32:00 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Still Thinking
Well, to be fair, Cruz employed a brain, a spine, and a pair of testicles. You can't fault the GOP for losing to a guy armed with stuff they've never seen before.

Instant Freeper Classic!

43 posted on 10/13/2013 5:53:52 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: VideoDoctor

The GOP got away with “we’ll settle this next time when we’ll have X and Y and Z ....

Every time the promised opportunity came (as in NOW) they caved and kicked the can for later.

Sorry guys we can’t wait


44 posted on 10/13/2013 6:04:06 PM PDT by chiller (NBCNews et al is in the tank and should be embarrassed)
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To: Windflier

Why, thank ya! I’ll be here all week!


45 posted on 10/13/2013 7:45:15 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: ez

“Quislings”

A very appropriate word.


46 posted on 10/13/2013 10:42:12 PM PDT by esoxmagnum
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To: JPG

Oh oh...

How come his wife looks exactly like him...with a blonde wig?


47 posted on 10/13/2013 10:45:25 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (The "government" is nothing but a RAT jobs program)
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To: JPG

Next first family. Praying. Praying.


48 posted on 10/14/2013 4:03:18 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: gogeo

OTOH, lots of people now know who Ted Cruz is and like him.


49 posted on 10/14/2013 4:04:39 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: BarnacleCenturion

That is an important point. Cruz can unite every component of the conservative movement into a unified whole. Not since Reagan has this happened.....


50 posted on 10/14/2013 5:41:25 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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