Skip to comments.MSNBC Host: The Constitution is Flawed, So Obama & Democrats Need Absolute Power
Posted on 10/13/2013 6:09:32 PM PDT by Kaslin
It was only a matter of time before the clash of ideologies between Constitutional conservatives and statist progressives manifested itself in a call for a ‘benevolent dictator’ to resolve the differences in authoritarian fashion.
The hyper-educated Chris Hayes of MSNBC echoed such calls, which have occurred under the Obama administration before in various guises. Hayes appeals to astute analysts of American politics at The Washington Post, Slate, and New York magazine, and spoke with one of them — Jonathan Chait.
Hayes says that there is a “growing consensus” that the nation’s law of the land is “fatally flawed,” and therefore we should look to European style parliamentary government used by other “democracies” [sic] for guidance on how to run the most powerful and prosperous country in world history (before the progressives got into power, it should be said).
Hayes lauds the European parliamentary system because the executive and legislative functions are controlled “by the same groups of people.” He then condemns the Constitution for checks and balances, which allow “different parts of the government to be controlled by different parties.”
In other words, the U.S. has a government that is based on reasoned deliberation and not naked force; regardless of the empty appeals to paternalistic virtue that allowed fascism to rise in Europe; and regardless of the demagogue’s calls for the centralized control of wealth redistribution that is the model for socialist and communist countries.
Europe’s tortuous history is lesson enough to remind many of the dangers of central control; but the U.S. has been sheltered to an extent from open calls for dictatorships, which nonetheless did occur under Woodrow Wilson and FDR. The context of Hayes’ call for control in one party’s hands is unmistakable: he wants the Democrat Party to have the absolute power to disregard the need for compromise.
Nearly a great majority of Americans, for example, believe that the U.S. government should cut spending before raising the debt limit. Hayes would presume the Democrats ignore them, and those voters who gave the Republicans power of the purse, and for the Democrats to do as they pleased.
A professor of Constitutional law at Georgetown by the name of Louis Michael Seidman late last year argued in the pages of the New York Times, “Let’s Give Up on the Constitution.” Thomas Friedman, also of the New York Times, argued for a concept called “China for a day” (as if it would last for a day) when the (communist) government could actually make decisions. The left’s pedigree of authoritarianism is unmistakable: the more radical the policies, the more the upheaval, and the more incessant the calls for authoritarian “solutions” – in the name of “fairness” or what-have-you.
In opposition, conservatives want divided government, because they have read history and distrust authoritarians, who almost always rise to power to promote the “common good.” The popular image of the tea party, for example, spread by opinion-molders is that it is a right-wing extremist movement within the Republican party. But actually, it is a coalition of American conservatives near the center of two extremes. According to widely accepted political theory and European history, leftists are extremists.
Right-wing is a slur reflexively hurled by socialists and progressives at any party, movement, faction, or individual that opposes the left-wing agenda. The smear tactic is intended to confuse those who support the traditionally American tenets of liberty, limited government, and individual rights with European fascists and ultra-nationalists.
It is the appreciation of conflicting interests in a free society that led to the innovations of the Constitution; divided powers and checks and balances were designed to safeguard people against abuses by either an absolutist ruler, or a tyrannical majority seeking to despoil its prey of property, life, or freedom. The requirement of legislation by majority, and the stipulation that changing the Constitution demands a super-majority, were but two safeguards. One of the most important barriers to oppression is the Bill of Rights, which lists individual rights not to be violated by tyrants of any variety.
Those who hold that that conservatives are extremist have the false conception that virtuous men can lead a compassionate government that will give people everything their hearts desire. But they fail miserably to account for the historical track record of consolidated governmental authority, which is always justified by appeal to lofty sentiments. The American government must inevitably disappoint and frustrate progressives, because it is designed to spur men to manage themselves and become productive members of society.
Conservatives do not desire to rule their political opposition or otherwise impose their will on their fellow citizens. Instead, they want to restore the nation to its Constitutional foundations, establish fiscal responsibility in government, reinstate the free market economic principles that allowed the majority of the nation to prosper, and renew the virtue in individuals to see human beings as ends in themselves, and not as means to some political end.
Ultimately, the Constitution, the embodiment of those founding principles that conservatives cherish most, is specifically designed to protect American citizens from political threats arising from both the right and the left. Leftists, on the other hand, are for complete state control of economy, society, and the government, making them absolutists. Americans should protect the Constitution and strive to prevent further abuse of power by the U.S. government.
The are like bored children.
Well fascism is just a subspecies of socialism.
I have an idea..how about all the libs and Commie freaks can all live in 1 state, they can have all the gay marriage, social justice, Communists running the joint, anything they want..and the Conservatives can have their own state..lets see who runs out of money first..because I am sick and tired of living amongst these Commie pricks who despise this great country and want to destroy it..put all the libs on an Island and let them destroy each other
King Obama is America’s first dictator. An example of his power he closed national parks and have now threatened arrest and imprisonment if Americans cross the barriers. He is King and absolute ruler and in the next few months will exercise his power. America is finished. There is no real opposition. All the Federal Departments of law enforce is now following his command. Look at the Park rangers.
“Now, open calls for Fascism!”
Yes, with the disintegration of America, the Marxist are feeling their oats. They no longer have to hide their agenda.
The leftist, the liberals, the Marxist have overplayed their hand to far and it’s only a matter of time that there will be a tipping point and a huge ground swell of push back.
Beware of the referenced page. I counted 15 cookies.
The video is a bunch of anti-constitutional sophistry that will probably appeal to low-information voters.
The pushback has begun.
If you believe in the constitution you are an extreme ideologue but if you call for a coup on National TV you are a commentator.
They want a shooting war.
10/05/2010 Mr. President, learn from Ceausescu!
Now? Obama’s Ceausescu Moment?
They had best be careful about what they ask for.
If you open that can of worm, the outcome is not predictable.
He would be the first to yell, kick, scream and throw a hissy fit if a Repub tried even one tenth of what this bozo wants the Zero King and his merry band of court jesters to do.
It is nothing less than a declaration of war.
Excellent point. I like the last part especially
Just waiting for our Reichstag fire
Id love to see how long it would take for liberals on their own to destroy each other..let them have their own state, with all the Commie goodies they could ask for, Communism all over the place, they could have Obama as their leader forever for all I care..I give them a month tops before they destroy each other because they are out of other libs money and nothing left to pay for their Commie treats
“hyper-educated” = educated beyond his intelligence
Charity comes from the heart, is a choice, and is sacred and divine. Socialism is forced upon those who don't support it, is anything but sacred, and steals from some while making many into slaves.
What have they done to our fair Constitution?
Ravaged and plundered and ripped her and bit her.
We are playing the same game that the English had to lay with their Scottish king, who wanted be absolute, which is to say, rule without Parliaments, like the kings of France after Henry IV established a Bourbon dictatorship that would survive until the French Revolution. Chief Justice Coke involved magma carta, an ancient document which each king of England swore to uphold. For James and Charles, the document was hopelessly outdated, and they wanted to establish a modern government. Mr. Obama seems to share the same sentiments.
Conveniently, everyone on this site is already pre-enlisted.
in my lifetime, preferably
The democratic deficiency in Europe has been noted many times.
Why don't you take your whining defeatism elsewhere?
Good historical information there. And it was our English heritage which gave birth to our own limited-government constitution. Which of course today’s “liberals” want to abolish.
The Leftists had better hope that the rule of law and the Constitution survives after this all shakes out.
If civil war breaks out and the Left goes down in a military coup, we will not have the niceties of a constitutional republic and these guys will be executed.
If the Left gets total control, Lefties will still have to worry about purges a la Trotsky.
Absolute power in the hands of these Dems would be a repeat of Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin and Mao, with even larger body counts.
Grow a pair or, if yer a girl, get behind someone who has.
It ain't over til it's over.
Todays liberals follow the tradition of French absolutism. We, the ancient Whig tradition, perhaps best spelled out by Edmund Burke in some of his early essays and which was taken up by American revolutionaries.
Wow...the sheer level of useful idiots is astounding...
The media will be held responsible for their crimes if such a future comes to pass, and their punishment will be severe.
Yes, good analysis. The problem is, many Americans don’t understand this and wind up talking like French revolutionaries rather than Whigs.
Senator Ted Cruz
If you like your iPhone, you can actually keep it. If you dont like Obamacare, too bad!
“The hyper-educated Chris Hayes...”
He has a BA from Brown. That makes you “hyper educated these days?
“Hyper-educated” would now probably mean “one who repeats the slogans of the left in complete sentences”.
I’ve heard/read about the Constitution being a flawed document my entire lengthy life yet never hear/read precisely what is flawed. Only that it is.
What is flawed about the Constitution IMO is that it allows Leftists opportunities they should never have.
More like hyper-indebted.
The flaw in the Constitution is it allows Communists, Socialists and Fascists, whom we we know as Democrats, all of which do not want a Constitution. The stake in the heart of a statist is the Constitution.
Yes, our President has much in common with Robespierre and St, Just.
These guys actually have a point.
Our checks and balances style government was set up for a government of limited authority and powers.
It was not designed for a government that would “run the country” and is not compatible with one.
So we can change our system to one that is compatible with “running the country,” something a great many Americans seem to want. Or we can return to a government of limited powers and scope of authority.
What we can’t do is keep limping along with a government trying to run the country with limited power and divided government.
It makes him like Obama, who seems intellectual but is not.
We have seen what happens when States try to secede from the Union, but, can we throw States out of the Union?
Looking forward to sitting on that jury!
"...the natural tendency of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield...in questions of power let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution." Thomas Jefferson
"Yes, we did produce a near perfect Republic. But will they keep it? Or will they, in the enjoyment of plenty, lose the memory of freedom? Material abundance without character is the path to destruction."
Thomas Jefferson (on the free market/private property system they tried to leave us and the incredible wealth they knew it would allow us to produce ‑‑ and what MIGHT happen to us as a result. The familiar vernacular expression today is "Fat, dumb and happy." Have we become fat, dumb and happy? If you want to sleep tonight, don't answer that!)
I prefer the tag Alan Keyes hung on them: INSANE CHILDREN!