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Posted on 10/14/2013 8:38:08 AM PDT by null and void
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“The older cities would be mined for the metals, and the remaining traces after enough weathering could easily be taken as ore deposits.”
How exactly would we mistake man-made, refined metals and alloys for natural ores?
Your point about maintaining continuity is well-taken, although my point was that the scientists were trying to preserve civilization and technology, something the Cult had no interest in...they were simply mystics trying maintain their religion (a point of view Asimov wasn't particularly fond of; the scientists are presented positively, whereas the members of the Cult are wild-eyed fantatics).
Also the original short story is different from the expanded novel.
I've never read the novel, only the short story.
Exactly so. Certain metals (chromium, nickle, etc.) would still be present in far greater concentrations than any natural ore.
Especially if you are convinced that any metal ores you find simply have to be natural!
No one, and I mean no one, thinks it the slightest bit odd that the iron ore deposits in India had precisely the amount of vanadium need to make Damascus steel.
Nickle iron? Ever been to Sudbury?
You read it, I'll read Evolution, sounds like a fair deal to me!
It's my understanding that the concentrations of heavy metals that would result from the remains of a cluster of skyscrapers such as those present in a major city are far great than even a nickle-rich area such as Sudbury.
My understanding could be wrong, of course...
(after I finish Baxter's latest novel, "Proxima", which I just started)
“Add enough oxygen, chlorine and just plain dirt and slime and it would eventually look “natural”.”
No, it really wouldn’t.
Run by libs, everything was renewable, natural fiber and biodegradable. Government shut down and they disappeared without leaving a trace.
And, as always, be afraid of Bad Juju.
Of the several Shelties family members have had, I knew one who would look where I was pointing, and another that would look at my finger.
Obliviously the work of a civilization barely out of the stone age. /s
Yes, it must of been engineers from Atlantis...or Mu..or...Hyperboria...or Middle Earth...or maybe Narnia...or:
And these stone age people were very well organized too!
We had four dogs at one time-—one of the dogs, a lab, dobie, spaniel, terrier mix watched and reacted to the TV and would obey the finger point. He was a lot human, even with expressions-we miss him awfully.
The other three of various and sundry mixes(papillon/terrier; beagle/corgi; lab/beagle/herder dog) just didn’t follow the finger pointing idea. The latter survives, but does not respond to us much...then again he’s getting up there in years.
People calculate stone placement rates for the Egyptian pyramids based on the “fact” that it must all have been done in 20 year, yet no one asserts that a medieval cathedral had to be built in 20 years.
Absolutely! Not only that, some of them will retrieve what you are pointing at!
Well I hope that GOP-”E” Elephant mascot knows which finger I’m holding up right now and remembers it.......
Yup. All my dogs look at my finger.
Are you sure you’re pointing correctly?
My dog would just look at my finger.
And my Dobes will look where I’m looking if I say “What’s that?”.
If I then point in that direction, they tear off to see if something needs biting.
I trained mine to eat, too.
I just recently read a science study demostrating this to be true.
I taught mine that old trick where you tell him a treat is poison and he looks at it till you tell it was really ok, and then he’s supposed to gobble it up.
Took about 2 minutes to teach him poison but for some reason I couldn’t teach him the signal that it was ok. So I picked up the biscuit and took a nibble and he gobbled it down.
So that was the trick from then on. He wouldn’t touch it till I proved it was ok by tasting it myself. Which made it a 10X better trick. I’m not sure if it was him or me who came up with the twist.
I think your dog trained you well. Did he show you off to his friends?
Lets start that conversation by acknowledging we arent going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants... bringing these workers out of the shadows and into being taxpaying members of society. Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers.12 million more people assimilating into society. 12 million more people being productive contributors. [but hes not in favor of amnesty, snicker, definition of is is]
...by softening its edge on some volatile social issues and altering its image as the party always seemingly "eager to go to war... We do need to expand the party and grow the party and that does mean that we don't always all agree on every issue" ... the party needs to become more welcoming to individuals who disagree with basic Republican doctrine on emotional social issues such as gay marriage... "We're going to have to be a little hands off on some of these issues ... and get people into the party," Paul said.
See below when it went underwater.
As far as that ratio goes, there’s no reason to think much of it — there’s no record of any intent, it’s merely the consequence of their having stacked up stones and our having measured it, inferring an intent. Not much different than seeing a Face on Mars.
The alleged accuracy of the construction of the Great Pyramid is obviously greatly exaggerated, since A) it’s in very rough shape, so unless it was built in rough shape, the original accuracy must have been much different :’) and B) the exterior used to be faced with smooth limestone (inscribed with hieroglyphics to boot), now virtually gone, carted off to build mosques and whatnot in Cairo.
Thanks. Not only is the name of the 4th dynasty pharaoh who had it constructed known, the name of the 4th dynasty architect of the Great Pyramid is also known, the nearby site of his tomb is known, and at least one large image of Hemienu (excavated near the base of the GP) is known.
The Sphinx is older than the Pyramids; that information comes from a New Kingdom copy of an Old Kingdom record, and the longterm effects of water erosion of the oldest parts of the Sphinx are clear and obvious. But Khufu built the Great Pyramid.
His son and successor Djedjefre began construction of his own pyramid and tomb at Abu Roash, but died young (there may have been a dynastic struggle, or an invasion, but he very well may have just died of disease), the pyramid was not completed (circumstantial evidence for a dynastic struggle), and what remained of it was finally carted off on camels to build modern Cairo.
Djedjefre’s son was a child, may have briefly ruled after him, but Djedjefre’s younger brother Khafre succeeded one or both and built the second of the large Giza pyramids.
At least one of Khufu’s granddaughters was entombed (or at least had a tomb constructed) under the surface of the Giza plateau, which is somewhat riddled with catacombs, shafts, and tunnels.
Khafre’s son and successor was Menkaure, builder of the smallest of the large pyramids at Giza. It’s a pipsqueak compared with the others; Khafre’s appears as large as Khufu’s because it’s built on higher ground, but has something more than half the mass, and Menkaure’s was a fraction of that size. If memory serves, in modern times when accessed the Khafre burial chamber was found to hold the sarcophagus of a New Kingdom noble.
I wholeheartedly agree, there would be nothing much to find, and thousands of years for unfamiliar artifacts to be vandalized, melted down, reused in other ways, dumped somewhere else, incorporated into foundations, and of course, more or less permanently obscured by the last rise of the seas after the glaciers melted.
Stan: “Them! Don listen properly, do they? Don look properly either. Never notice nuffink, they don”
Yeah ...he needs to be put out to pasture next time he’s up for reelection ......
My opinion !
Typical modern science: GIGO.
Yes, they do. But they’re been domesticated for a very long time.
Tests with wolves, even those reared with humans, demonstrate that understanding humans pointing is NOT inherent in wolves.
So the dog’s ability to understand human pointing has been a recent genetic development.
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Or humans understand elephant gestures.
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