Posted on 10/14/2013 8:52:34 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
Obamacare is imploding. But thanks to the government shutdown, everyone is talking about the implosion of the GOP instead.
The shutdown drama has distracted from the fact that Obamacare’s debut is worse than many realize — and it threatens the fundamental viability of the law itself. The administration claims the Obamacare online exchanges crashed because the Web site got more than 8 million hits in the first week. Please. You know how many people visit Amazon.com every week? More than 70 million. The difference is: 1.) Amazon seldom crashes, and 2.) on Amazon, people actually buy something.
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Good question.
Except anyone with a clue knew the answer from the git-go.
Relax, Marc. The shutdown will end soon enough. And the ObamaCare implosion will still be there, bigger and better than ever.
They don’t intend to manage a simple web site. They intend to force us into a single payer system.
The difference is: 1.) Amazon seldom crashes, and 2.) on Amazon, people actually buy something.
Especially 2.
More importantly....without being made to buy something.
But thanks to the government shutdown, everyone is talking about the implosion of the GOP instead.”
...I thought “the memo” says to always pretend that Obamacare is for our own good and will benefit all of us! Instead, it’s more important the GOP “implodes” then this wonderful ACA work. Unreal.
how on earth is it going to manage the health care of millions of Americans?
Good question.
Yeah, it takes that long to write the program, but it also takes the same amount of time to test all the bugs out.
The Obamarxists think they are so smart.
He's a bogus idiot and THEY are near-criminal bounders... any HS debating team could reduce ‘O’ to a puddle on the ground in seconds and could tear the ACA to tatters, in a flash!!!
“They intend to force us into a single payer system.”
Which is true, and which will function worse than 0bamacare.
The same way they were penalizing refiners for not mixing biofuels when there wasn't enough made to use.
Oh yes. Here’s the hitcounter from Drudge:
022,985,750 PAST 24 HOURS
I figured out a way to “freep” the WaPo. Go to the comments and “like” mine. The top comment only has 11 “likes,” so it’ll be easy to put this one on top, where it’ll start gathering more likes on its own.
My comment:
“Comrades, do not listen to capitalist stooges like Marc Thiessen! Soon Obamacare shall be smashing all records like Norelsk Tractor Factory in last 5-year plan! By November 2017, National Socialist health rationing will rival Cuban medical system, free for all good comrades! And best of all, the diligent comrade commissars working day and night at the IRS-NSA-ACA data hubs will be able to track down last desperate right-wing reactionaries, and exclude them from glorious National Socialist medical rationing! Onward to victory, comrades! A new National Socialist day is coming in next glorious 5-year plan! Soviet-style Obamacare soon shall be envy of world!”
“Which is true, and which will function worse than 0bamacare.”
What’s to prevent people from going out and getting their own policy outside of Obamacare?
How can the government fine/tax you for not buying something that is unavailable for you to purchase?
Relax, Marc. The shutdown will end soon enough. And the ObamaCare implosion will still be there, bigger and better than ever.
Upset citizens are one thing....hospitals, doctors, nurses, et al demanding reimbursement from the government and being delayed, denied, or otherwise confused will cause the volume to reach earsplitting levels.
Yes we’ve had Medicaid and Medicare for decades but this will be both new and incomplete - a bad recipe.
What will be the breaking point for the doctors, nurses, hospitals, owners, etc. to seek a way out of their shotgun marriage to Uncle Sam?
Ha! Just came back from local grocery store and saw my first “I heart Obozocare”....
And so it begins......
Let the shutdown continue. The problems are always attributed to the sitting administration, when push-comes-to-shove.
Weak-kneed, sellout RINO’s who fear are fearing nothing.
When it goes bad, it will come to rest in Obama’s corner.
I’ve been asking President Kafka this for weeks.
I have not needled my liberal colleague about this, though it is hard not to.
“What’s to prevent people from going out and getting their own policy outside of Obamacare?”
Nothing. Today. I’m self-employed and have such a policy. It costs a ridiculous amount of money.
But that will become illegal as part of the “fix” for 0bamacare when we go to single payer. All of the insurance company employees will morph into government employed robo-bureaucrats to administer it.
Did it actually say “Obozo” or was it one from a “true believer”?
I think the shutdown simple pointed out the fact that the republicans are all against obamacare and tried to warn the country. People know about both.
Bill Clinton enacted a retroactive tax increase didn’t he?
Just looking at various commentary today, am more annoyed than I was last week, pointing this out.
Today it is Michael Savage and Bill Bennett excoriating Sen.Cruz, for not doing things their way.
Their way, yes, to manipulate public opinion in a better way, not to do this this way but to do this that way.
These guys think anyone can manipulate public opinion to favor the wimpy republicans by allowing the truth of obamacare to come out.
Savage actually said, in between disgusting, typical metaphorical fashion, reserved for anyone who won’t go on his show, that the public will realize that the republicans were right about obamacare after it takes effect and Cruz should have left the argument to that tactic.
Aside from not arguing Sen. Cruz’ point that once it
s in it will not go away, historically referenced and most likely true, as well as not giving credence to the possibility that the republicans will get blamed and take the blame, for obamacare as they do with everything else, Savage does not tell us which particular republicans the public will turn to as having been opposed to obamacare.
There aren’t any. They are all for it, as evidenced by their actions, ie, not having stood up against it as Sen Cruz did.
When I have a very bad day, but a super bad day, I will want to know the blend of drug Dr. Savage is on.
And that liberal-minded Dr. Bennett. Excoriating Sen Cruz, with the same line of thinking. Let the public blame the democrats when this doesn’t go away.
Really? as the republicans sat back allowing it to happen.
Senator Cruz fought it as soon as he could. He’s been in the senate for 10 months.
This fight should have happened a long time ago, but 2 years ago. Republicans’ excuse is that they were not in power.
Well Ted Cruz is in power. His party is not in the majority in his position, but he is a senator, sworn to uphold the constitution.
Bennett took extra time lecturing him at large. And about 15 seconds at the end of three hours on the vets demonstration after a caller reminded him.
If people will want someone to turn to they’ll be sure he is against obamacare.
But not if the conservative and libertarian media personalities destroy Cruz as well.
I am so annoyed.
What is it that these people want? Who is it that is going to fix things? No one? It would be bad for ratings?
Shebelouse would say...we did not spend enough money building the website, only 63 million, we really need and will be asking for 63 billion.
Name spelling intended!
Probably 10,000 people trying repeatedly to get on the system,
The three month rebuild estimate is pure horse sh!t.
They have three months’ worth (millions probably) of purgatory accounts to reconcile (those accounts that were ‘set’ with proper information but locked out because of faulty security protocols leaving ‘new account holders’ with no access to modify, choose, or delete to start anew).
...except in the legislation it's supposed to reference. That turns out not to be a sharply-defined set of rules but a labyrinthine mush of conflicting interests, exemptions, special rules for special people, etc, etc - in short, it's a 2000-page document filled with everything every junior Democrat congressional aide thought to cram in while the getting was good. Yes, you can program stupidity but not that sort of stupidity. That takes a human brain, if that term may be stretched to the people who wrote this mess. Sow's ear, silk purse - it isn't going to work, and it certainly isn't going to be patched in 24 hours.
I’ve been thinking about this obamacare thing for a couple of weeks and something occurred to me that I’ve NOT seen on the MSM, or through the GOP or anywhere else, but it really needs to be looked at.
Since this healthcare thing is going through IRS, has anybody really thought about the implications of that for each and every taxpayer in the USA???
How easy is it to fight IRS when they’ve made an error????
How much power to they have over your finances, bank accounts, property holdings?
What happens if you run into a snag and for one reason or another, can’t pay your tax bill???? This in itself is the
$64,000 question.
Now, add your medical insurance bill to your tax bill and what are your risks?
If you can’t pay, you stand to have your bank accounts shut, loss of your driver’s license, your home and property confiscated and all with very little recourse! It’s already a very long and time consuming process to work out IRS errors with regard to your taxes and now your very life is tied into this circus!
Please ladies and gentlemen, THINK about the implications of this disaster and you’ll see why the tremendous push for repeal of the constitution, Amendment 2, and setups for martial law!
Please think about it and deal with your congress person as you see fit with regard to the potential disaster about to slam each and every one of us to the ground.
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need might sound reasonable on the surface (to some) but who decides what your ability is, and who decides what your ‘’need’’ is??? YOU have not choice in that matter. If the IRS says you are going to be taxed at a certain rate per month, YOU HAVE TO PAY IT! They have decided your ability, not you.
Folks, please...think!
This is what happens when you put a woman who should be at home knitting sweaters for her grandchildren in charge of a vast, highly technical website encompassing all 50 states.
Give them no information
Don't needle him but if he expresses misgivings about the costs or implementation engage him on the topic of future costs.
We have a window of opportunity to do great damage to the amnesty push. While people are in shock over what Obamacare has done to their health costs they will be receptive to discussion of how much more it will soon cost.
If you find yourself in a conversation with someone bemoaning their ObamaCare costs take the opportunity to remind them that those costs will be greatly increased with tens of millions of illegals granted amnesty and added to the rolls of freeloading ObamaCare recipients.
And still, the implosion is not as bad as I want it to be.
I am looking for the fallout to be so devastating, the territory once known as “the United States of America” will be FORCED to break up into a number of republics.
Perhaps then, several of those newly organized republics may once again adopt the words of the original Declaration and the United States Constitution, without certain of the Amendments, most particularly, the 16th, the 17th, the 18th, the 21st and 23rd. Washington, DC, is not even a quasi-state, it is a TOWNSHIP.
Sorry, I go into a shaking fit if I tap out “Oba........” See!
It said “I heart (symbol of heart) Oba........”
Sorry, I just can’t DO IT!!!
You are a FReeper after my own heart...
I prefer to see it as an example of creative destruction. The GOP, as currently constituted as the “me too” party, has outlived its usefulness. The party will either be reborn, or it will be replaced by something else.
That’s why, when typing “0bama”, I always use the numeric zero key, not the letter.
It's a holiday weekend, and we often see underlings in the MSM accidentally let bits of truth slip out while the regular editors are all off on their yachts. You can bet they'll be back tomorrow to set the record "straight".
“So does mine. I can get the same thing on the Exchange (high deductible) at a fraction of the cost. Theoretically...”
I’ll pay for my freedom. Money is the least of the things they are after. As with all communists, they want your soul. The Poles knew this in 1939 when the chose to spurn assistance from Stalin’s USSR against Nazi Germany.
How about the many examples of people erroneously put on the TSA's No Fly list. That's a microscopically tiny database compared to what ObamaCare tries to implement and it's totally snafu'ed. There is near zero likelihood that the records held in the ObamaCare database will actually be yours and not (some mix) of someone else's. In the hospital for a broken leg? Come out with your liver removed because your med file got tagged with someone else's name. Complaint about that? Talk to the IRS.
If the website is as poorly designed as they say, it will take years to fix it.
The agency that I work at implemented a system to account for assets from failed banks. It works fairly well, but every quarter there are upgrades to make it better. I doubt that more than 100 users on the system at one time.
I'm no computer expert, but there's no doubt the contractor sold the Obama Administration a bill of goods that's great for the contractor's shareholders, at the expense of the US taxpayer.
The implosion will be so big that it will take the unconstitutional entitlememnt/regulatory state down with it. Either that, or we have a kind of surrveilance state soviet tyranny to keep it in place. But it will bankrupt us before then.
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