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Dave Ramsey Destroys Obamacare
EagleRising.com ^ | 14 October 2013 | Dave Ramsey

Posted on 10/14/2013 10:00:25 AM PDT by fwdude

Dave Ramsey has been speaking financial sense to millions of people for years. He has taught Americans that credit is not the beautiful thing that banks and credit card companies have tried to make it out to be. He has taught Americans that spending more than you make is never a good idea. He has taught Americans that now is always the right time to fix your spending habits and get your financial house in order. A few days ago, Mr. Ramsey decided to share his wisdom with people of all political affiliations on how the Obamacare legislation would affect every American, no matter their political beliefs.

"You’re not exempt from math if you’re a Republican, and you’re not exempt from math if you’re a Democrat. You’re not exempt from math if you’re a liberal, and you’re not exempt from math if you’re a conservative. You still have to do math."

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Dave elucidates in the plain, laser-sharp style he is known for. Why can't politicians do the same?

Read many of his excellent points. You can't suspend gravity because you want to.

1 posted on 10/14/2013 10:00:25 AM PDT by fwdude
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To: fwdude
“The math stuff was fine up until about 7th grade...” After that "I’m pretty lost.”

-Barack Obama

2 posted on 10/14/2013 10:06:59 AM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: fwdude
He does not mention the other reason premiums are going up: Wealth Redistribution.
Those who CAN pay a premium are expected to pay double or more, so the 0bama voters who can't pay or won't pay will get theirs for free.

3 posted on 10/14/2013 10:07:28 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: fwdude

Dave Ramsey was the guest speaker at our church yesterday. I missed it because I have been sick so I stayed home.


4 posted on 10/14/2013 10:08:49 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: fwdude

Math??? Isn’t that what Barney Frank refers to as a church service?


5 posted on 10/14/2013 10:13:24 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: fwdude

Ramsey may have a fault or two (I think he underestimated the practical role that the ubiquitous credit scoring system means in many [not all] situations of procuring employment, as the now-sheltered self made millionaire he is) — but anyhow, mincing words is not among them!

PIPE DREAM. PIPE DREAM. FOLKS, TIME TO TAKE THE NALOXONE AND GET OUT OF IT.


6 posted on 10/14/2013 10:13:25 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: BitWielder1

And more is getting skimmed off the top as overhead (meaning fat paychecks to gummit “workers” and connected “industries”) — which wouldn’t be so bad if doctors and nurses got their due too but they don’t!

BIG FAT HONKING TRAIN WRECK and the Lord has to be ruefully laughing from heaven to behold this.


7 posted on 10/14/2013 10:16:31 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: fwdude

Cash is good. Debt is bad. That is all one needs to know. Doesn’t require math, just discipline and common sense.


8 posted on 10/14/2013 10:18:06 AM PDT by Parmy
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To: fwdude

Ramsey is another pied piper of tyranny.

Pretends to be a “Christian,” but constantly denies the truth of God’s word by dismissing the conspiratorial nature of the system that enslaves us.

Mystery Babylon does not exist according to Ramsey.

Proudly making money off of the misery of others.


9 posted on 10/14/2013 10:18:12 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: trebb

Ha! In a church that is too chicken to tell him that hey, there’s a God whose love is better than his proud liberal dreams, and get his act together before partaking of said communion....


10 posted on 10/14/2013 10:18:24 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: editor-surveyor

It’s easy to idolize economics, and Christians in specialty ministries have to be careful not to push their specialty upon the whole world like it was the center of God’s wisdom, but I never heard about these allegations. Mystery Babylon? Doesn’t he at least acknowledge that Satan exists?


11 posted on 10/14/2013 10:20:14 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: fwdude

bkmk


12 posted on 10/14/2013 10:21:05 AM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: fwdude

Mr Micawber’s famous, and oft-quoted, recipe for happiness:

“Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen [pounds] nineteen [shillings] and six [pence], result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery.”


13 posted on 10/14/2013 10:23:31 AM PDT by DManA
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To: HiTech RedNeck

He denies the basic conspiracies, much like Rush does.

Neither of them would have a radio voice if they didn’t, but this is the nature of hypocrisy.

never heard him discuss Satan, one way or the other.


14 posted on 10/14/2013 10:24:34 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

I tend to be rather light on the worldly conspiracy theory without good evidence. I say the Lord’s ministry is still too marked today to allow a whole lot of that to go on, but that’s just MHO and I would yield to facts that are more than just teasers. I’ve seen a lot of teasers.

Inasmuch as we do have coincidence between systems of human evil, I would trace the control of that to things that are happening OFF earth (in Hell), not ON earth. And even when it does deteriorate (as in Revelation prophesied times) to literal worldly conspiracies, that is only going to be a shallow dip into, a faint echo of, what’s going on in Hell. Again my read, MHO.


15 posted on 10/14/2013 10:26:24 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Alright, what are these “basic conspiracies” and how do you trace them to world events? I gladly color myself skeptical here, being optimistic until there is an excellent reason to go pessimistic.


16 posted on 10/14/2013 10:27:19 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Thanks for the confession anyway.


17 posted on 10/14/2013 10:28:27 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

PS... good theology matters. Rush might stand to treat the matter of Satan explicitly, but that would blow off a lot of secular audiences. He’s a conservative, not a particularly Christian, commentator.


18 posted on 10/14/2013 10:29:41 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: fwdude
"You’re not exempt from math if you’re a Republican, and you’re not exempt from math if you’re a Democrat.

Democrats 'feel' they're exempt from math... and that makes it true in their unicorn world...

19 posted on 10/14/2013 10:30:15 AM PDT by GOPJ (Brieitbart sent me... Freeper newfreep)
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To: editor-surveyor

“Pretends to be a “Christian,” but constantly denies the truth of God’s word by dismissing the conspiratorial nature of the system that enslaves us.”

Oh for the love of Pete.......So you define a Christian as “Believes in conspiracies”.

I thought it had something to do with Jesus.


20 posted on 10/14/2013 10:30:22 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: fwdude

When it comes to Obamacare, the principle of “GIGO” applies in the most cruel and malicious possible way. Garbage goes in, badly decomposed garbage comes out. And it is not useful even as compost.

Ponzi schemes are benign in comparison.


21 posted on 10/14/2013 10:31:01 AM PDT by alloysteel (Those who deny natural climate change are forever doomed to stupidity. AGW is a LIE.)
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To: editor-surveyor

I “confess” that like I “confess” Christ. Just from what I’m smelling from your side, I see a big honkin’ begged question at the basis of your theology. But feel free to share your actual biblical arguments. If you have any. And no, “go read this guy’s best selling book” isn’t an answer any more than “go read Ramsey’s best selling book” would be to you.


22 posted on 10/14/2013 10:31:13 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: AppyPappy

Oh yeah that pesky Christ! Almost forgot ‘im!


23 posted on 10/14/2013 10:31:36 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Believeth on the Rothschild’s and you shall be Saved.


24 posted on 10/14/2013 10:34:25 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: AppyPappy

Wow, when someone says that being Christian has something to do with any thing other than Christ... well we are fallen and we can let that whiz over our heads. But really that’s a slam dunk to answer.


25 posted on 10/14/2013 10:35:25 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: fwdude

what does he say about the health care cost sharing ministries?


26 posted on 10/14/2013 10:38:23 AM PDT by Chickensoup (we didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: AppyPappy

Anyhow this is a grand distraction, and our dear e-s has such a big conspiratorial-theory axe to grind that he’s willing to quite obscure the actual work of the Lord which deserves to be admired wherever it happens, whatever the vehicle! Faulty theology or not, Ramsey finally just sliced and diced Obamacare in the realm of his demonstrated competence. This is Big. Hoo boy, the shoes are dropping worse than in Imelda Marcos’ closet.


27 posted on 10/14/2013 10:39:03 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

We have created all kinds of altars to Baal within the church. I refer to this one as “Qualified Salvation”. If you are X or Y, even God can’t Save you.
For example, you cannot be Saved unless the King James Bible is used in the church. Nothing smells better on the altar than that King James incense.


28 posted on 10/14/2013 10:42:39 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: fwdude

MARK


29 posted on 10/14/2013 10:43:58 AM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The vast majority of people support Obamacare because they believe they are either getting it free or they are getting a government check for signing up for it. When people find out they have to pay, they are walking away.
These are people that can’t even keep the lights on. How are they going to pay for Obamacare?
And the penalty? Good luck getting that from them.


30 posted on 10/14/2013 10:45:31 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: BitWielder1

Not entirely true. I’ve seen more stories of people who can and are paying premiums now signing up to Obamacare to get subsidies so they don’t have to pay as much or pay anything anymore. Obama doesn’t juat want to redistribute wealth to the have-nots. He and the left want “income equality” for all. Which means as long as Obama thinks he can get enough money from the “rich,” a lot of people are going to get handouts whether they’re “poor” or not. This also helps buy votes for Democrats, and they need a bigger constituency than just the “poor.” So money will be spread around to higher and higher income groups.


31 posted on 10/14/2013 10:45:55 AM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: AppyPappy

I get ya there, Appy. The more mature I get in the faith, the more I trace Christ’s work all over the place... and denominations and theory mongers are like squat to the Lord. He’d rather they not be dividing us, but they do not stymie Him in the least. When I see things like meaningful Baptist/Catholic collaborations (pro-life causes in protest of the abortion murder plague seem to have a way of doing that in modern America) I know that there is someone bigger than ourselves orchestrating it.


32 posted on 10/14/2013 10:46:16 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Mystery whatza?

In our country, politics and economics are based on observable and measurable reality, not one religion or another’s mythic beliefs. And we don’t need to turn off potential recruits to the conservative side of the aisle by performing a religious litmus test.


33 posted on 10/14/2013 10:48:02 AM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: AppyPappy

It bids better than fair to become a laughingstock. Well, the GOP was wise to touch it not with a ten foot pole. If we had to depend on political brains we’d be lost. But I think the Lord sees the Democrats have pretty well purged out their serious Christians while the GOP hasn’t... and has made a decision from heaven, for now. Power will shift. Drastically.


34 posted on 10/14/2013 10:49:30 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: AppyPappy

But when the GOP benefits from being less-cursed... it needs to not get proud. And asking that of politicians is like asking water not to get wet.


35 posted on 10/14/2013 10:51:20 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I don’t know. Romans 13 says God put Obama in office. I don’t pretend to know the mind of God.


36 posted on 10/14/2013 10:52:08 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: JediJones

You’re obviously not a “potential recruit.”

May not be entirely your fault, but you do lack the necessary understanding of reality, and replace it with frivolous constructs.


37 posted on 10/14/2013 10:54:21 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: AppyPappy

>> “And the penalty? Good luck getting that from them.” <<

We’ll pay the penalty for them; that’s how it was planned from the start. He loves his something-for-nothing zombies.


38 posted on 10/14/2013 10:57:25 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: AppyPappy

Well I can see some general patterns, and admit I am only making an educated spiritual guess based on the factors I can see. Both good and evil have momentum. However if they are granted anywhere like an equal footing, good will simply cream evil. What do you expect out of a contest of God vs. Satan? Anyhow, Obama is the result of American lassitude and laxity. God let it be punished, negatively to show that no, that’s not the thing to do, but positively to provide the resistance against which things like the Tea Party get their training. These are general patterns well supported by the bible; I’m not inventing anything new here.


39 posted on 10/14/2013 10:57:57 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Nice posturing, zero substance!


40 posted on 10/14/2013 10:58:24 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: AppyPappy

>> “I thought it had something to do with Jesus.” <<

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We know him through his word. Read Revelation; the conspiracy is blamed for everything governments do.


41 posted on 10/14/2013 11:01:10 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Please, go back to sleep!


42 posted on 10/14/2013 11:02:09 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

And so it has been since the Romans tore down that Temple.
Same as it ever was.


43 posted on 10/14/2013 11:03:28 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: editor-surveyor; AppyPappy

Another substanceless, mongo question-begging taunt. Really this is getting lame, and MY comment has substance.

Boy your theology is one of tail wagging dog, if there ever was one. Got news for you, Satan’s bragging in your face and looking a lot bigger than he really is.


44 posted on 10/14/2013 11:04:13 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I don’t see good vs evil. I see Godly vs unGodly. Satan is already defeated, he’s just waiting on the execution. But he can wreak havoc in the church until his date, mostly because we keep letting him in the door.


45 posted on 10/14/2013 11:06:24 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: JediJones

I think many of those sign-up stories are fabricated by Dem ops to make Obamacare look good. My brother posted his “great” Obamacare package to Facebook and he’ll never even try to get medical insurance.


46 posted on 10/14/2013 11:08:16 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: AppyPappy

God is bigger than Satan. Best kept secret in eternity!

It’s we who let Satan loom larger than God in our eye, like using a pair of 25 cent coins to block out the sun. But when the love of God goes up square against the hate of Satan... the results aren’t even close. Satan gets creamed. Bad. Like he deserves. It’s we who tilt the playing field one way or the other.


47 posted on 10/14/2013 11:08:44 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: AppyPappy

I mean the same things by the abstraction. I don’t think we disagree at all in principle, just using different words. God is the author of good. Satan, of evil. We got to lean to one or the other. It dates from the Garden and then afterwards.


48 posted on 10/14/2013 11:10:03 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: AppyPappy

Basically, I agree. Just saying the same thing in a different manner. Cool, bro?


49 posted on 10/14/2013 11:11:19 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Chickensoup
what does he say about the health care cost sharing ministries?

I'm sure Dave has a very favorable opinion of such plans, being a biblically sound practice.

50 posted on 10/14/2013 11:26:28 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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