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Report: Reid offers McConnell deal that wo
Hot Air ^ | posted at 12:51 pm on October 14, 2013 | by Allahpundit

Posted on 10/14/2013 10:13:14 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

The terms: Government re-opens and is funded until mid-December, debt ceiling is raised for another six to nine months, and Democrats maybe agree to repeal ObamaCare’s medical-device tax and reinstate anti-fraud measures for O-Care applicants — depending upon what Republicans give them in return.

Peace in our time?

The proposal would set up a framework for larger budget negotiations with the House over the automatic sequestration spending cuts and and other major deficit issues, the sources said…

McConnell is still reviewing the offer and is privately huddling with groups of GOP senators Monday who could be key to providing enough votes in the Senate. On Monday morning, McConnell met with Sens. John McCain of Arizona, Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Mike Johanns of Nebraska and Mark Kirk of Illinois…

While the proposal has similarities to one offered by [GOP Sen. Susan] Collins, it has some very key differences over the length of the stop-gap spending measure and the debt ceiling hike. Collins proposed extending government spending for six months, which Democrats objected to because they argued it would lock in the $967 billion sequestration levels for 2014 required under the 2011 Budget Control Act. She also suggested extending the debt ceiling through the end of January, far too short of a time period for many Democrats…

On another track, House Republican leadership is readying itself to lift the debt ceiling for six weeks. House GOP aides stress that no decisions have been made, but this legislation is unlikely to be “clean” – meaning it will contain a number of conservative policies attached.

Reid is willing to accept lower sequestration levels of spending in the short term, in order to end the shutdown, but not for all of next year. And obviously, to avoid another round of fiscal brinksmanship, he wants the debt ceiling punted as far as possible into the future so that Boehner and the GOP aren’t once again tempted to combine funding the government with raising the debt ceiling. That means a short-term bill to fund the government, so that Democrats can start pounding the table to end sequestration ASAP, and a long-term bill for raising the debt limit. Collins and the GOP naturally want the opposite — a long-term bill on funding the government which guarantees sequestration spending levels into next year and a short-term debt ceiling hike so that Republicans can, if they wish, use that as leverage sooner rather than later for some new demand. Normally this would be easily solved splitting the difference on both time frames — e.g., four months for each prong — except, in that case, the next government funding negotiations would fall roughly around the time we’re hitting the debt ceiling again, which is exactly what Democrats fear. Someone’s going to have to win here on the timetable.

Big question: If Reid wins, as seems likely, how does Boehner get this past the House? I’ve always thought he’d be willing to do one big cave in the name of finally getting this off his plate, but a short(ish)-term deal doesn’t do that. It’ll disappoint conservatives and then set him up to disappoint them again in December or April or whenever the next round of kabuki brinksmanship begins. In fact, he may not even have a majority of his own caucus to pass Reid’s bill, in which case he’d have to break the Hastert Rule just to buy himself and the leadership a reprieve of a few months before they begin this again. Whether they want to or not, they’re going to have to no choice but to aggressively pursue some sort of major fiscal deal with O and Reid when this is over just so that, if they can come to terms on anything, they can add on a significant debt-limit hike as a condition that would punt this past next November. The last thing they want is tea partiers clamoring for some debt-ceiling chicken next spring or summer, with turnout in the midterms potentially hanging in the balance. So maybe that’s the “way out” here — a cave of three months or so in the next few days and then the rest of autumn spent negotiating deficit reduction with Obama.

Exit question: Is there enough time left to pass a deal before we hit the ceiling on Thursday? The Senate can move quickly to approve a deal only if all 100 members consent unanimously to waiving the rules for 30 hours of debate. And you know what that means.

Update: Obama’s meeting with Reid, McConnell, Boehner, and Pelosi at the White House at 3 p.m ET. Also attending: Dealmaker Joe Biden, who’s been sidelined until now because Reid wanted to play chicken with Republicans.

Update: Lefty Jonathan Chait wonders if the claim that Democrats are demanding an end to sequestration spending was actually invented by centrist Republicans to convince the House that they’re “winning” if they accept a short-term deal that keeps sequestration spending in place for two or three months. Reid, as noted, isn’t actually opposed to keeping lower levels of spending in place for a few months (but only a few months). If that’s what’s happening, though, it carries a big risk — what if actually unifies Republicans in opposition?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: debtceiling; govtshutdown; harryreid; mcconnell; obamacare; reidlies; sequester; shutdown

1 posted on 10/14/2013 10:13:14 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Alternate headline:

SATAN OFFERS McCONNELL CONTRACT TO BE SIGNED IN BLOOD

McConnell is not concerned because it’s not his blood.

2 posted on 10/14/2013 10:15:02 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876
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Full Title:

Report: Reid offers McConnell deal that would end fiscal standoff

Of course the Democrats want to shutoff the sequester.....
3 posted on 10/14/2013 10:15:23 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Why wouldn’t they? They have an endless supply of our money.


4 posted on 10/14/2013 10:16:52 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Sequester is the LAW of the LAND !!! Passed by the House, Passed by the Senate, Signed by the President. Don’t they understand Democracy ?!?!?!?!?


5 posted on 10/14/2013 10:17:28 AM PDT by 11th_VA (I want a president who won't enforce tax laws ...)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
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Would you buy a used car from this man?

6 posted on 10/14/2013 10:17:56 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The Constitution is obsolete only if you see Mein Kampf or the Communist Manifesto as a replacement.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Both sides want that medical device tax thing gone, nobody in the tea party is wanting that.


7 posted on 10/14/2013 10:22:24 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (Defunding does work!! Anyone remember fate of the border fence????)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

NOOOOOOOOOO!!
It’s obvious what the RATS are trying to pull..McConnell is done is he falls for this crap.


8 posted on 10/14/2013 10:22:51 AM PDT by rainee (Her)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

” then the rest of autumn spent negotiating deficit reduction with Obama.”
expect he won’t negotiate.


9 posted on 10/14/2013 10:25:49 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

10 posted on 10/14/2013 10:26:32 AM PDT by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The Senate and the House all knew and now so does everybody else that obozocare is not about providing health services, it is one of the NWO's conduits to eliminate freedom and liberty and gives government absolute control in the US. I firmly believe that any of those in DC that accepts and or supports its funding will feel the consequences of their treachery. Kill the obozocare funding, PERIOD!!
11 posted on 10/14/2013 10:29:57 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Kill Obamacare and hold your ground, GOP. If you fold, you own it and this country falls.


12 posted on 10/14/2013 10:30:54 AM PDT by Gator113 (Ted Cruz is settled law.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Dem idea of negotiation: GIVE US EVERYTHING, and we’ll PROMISE to talk about give you a crumb, Charlie Brown...


13 posted on 10/14/2013 10:32:03 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: 11th_VA

Well, in all honesty, so is the Affordable Care Act!


14 posted on 10/14/2013 10:35:01 AM PDT by Poundstone (A recent Federal retiree and proud of it!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

F-MR. REID.

NO Deal. You hear that Boehner!


15 posted on 10/14/2013 10:35:35 AM PDT by JSDude1 (Is John Boehner the Neville Chamberlain of American Politics?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
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16 posted on 10/14/2013 10:37:00 AM PDT by shortstop (It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“And I never wanted anything from you
Except everything you had and what was left after that too”


17 posted on 10/14/2013 10:41:52 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Dear GOP “Leadership”: lovely view of the bus exhaust and suspension systems you’ve provided us....


18 posted on 10/14/2013 10:44:40 AM PDT by NorCoGOP (Revolution at the ballot box, 2014.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Boehner wants to keep his job, so Reid’s proposal is going nowhere.


19 posted on 10/14/2013 10:46:45 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: PATRIOT1876
Just posted this news item:

CNN---Reid: Senate closer to deal on shutdown, debt ceiling

20 posted on 10/14/2013 11:04:21 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: SeaHawkFan

The Dems have a strategy to bypass him!


21 posted on 10/14/2013 11:05:49 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: SeaHawkFan

I hope Mr. Boehner understands that. I’m not in Boehner’s district (by the grace of God I call Texas home) but I would chip in cash to primary him to the curb.


22 posted on 10/14/2013 11:08:44 AM PDT by Made In The USA (I'm not yelling, just... just talking enthusiastically..)
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To: Made In The USA

I think Boehner knows he will be replaced as Speaker and as a Congressman if he caves on defunding Obamacare.


23 posted on 10/14/2013 11:19:58 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I might applaud the Senate’s deal except for one thing - the Dems have a track record of not keeping their part of any bargain. Regan learned that lesson with the amnesty deal he got tricked into signing. Bush, 41, learned it with the taxes deal.

The list goes on and on. I don’t trust Reed, zero or any Dem to keep their word!


24 posted on 10/14/2013 11:29:24 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for the American politburo!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I might applaud the Senate’s deal except for one thing - the Dems have a track record of not keeping their part of any bargain. Reagan learned that lesson with the amnesty deal he got tricked into signing. Bush, 41, learned it with the taxes deal. Bush, 43, never learned the lesson and the Dems played him over and over starting with NCLB.

The list goes on and on. I don’t trust Reed, zero or any Dem to keep their word!


25 posted on 10/14/2013 11:30:39 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for the American politburo!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; ..
RE :”The terms: Government re-opens and is funded until mid-December, debt ceiling is raised for another six to nine months, and Democrats maybe agree to repeal ObamaCare’s medical-device tax and reinstate anti-fraud measures for O-Care applicants — depending upon what Republicans give them in return”

Is Reid going to make McConnell and Bohner sign the deal in that old French railway car where Germnay surrendered in the Treaty of Versailles??

26 posted on 10/14/2013 11:40:41 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: sickoflibs

Thats a “deal”?

Does Reid also get their granddaughter’s hands in marriage along with a huge dowry?


27 posted on 10/14/2013 11:46:57 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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......................Dem idea of negotiation: GIVE US EVERYTHING, and we’ll PROMISE to talk about give you a crumb, Charlie Brown............................

Iran idea of negotiation: Let us build nuclear bombs now, and we promise to talk about peace next year!

How dumb does dumb0 think we are???


28 posted on 10/14/2013 11:48:23 AM PDT by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: SeaHawkFan

Boehner wants to keep his job, so Reid’s proposal is going nowhere.


No, I think the plan is to force the Senate plan on us. Then the House GOP will scream that it wasn’t their fault. They did the same in 1995 shutdown.


29 posted on 10/14/2013 11:53:53 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Since the Senate RINO's keep offering Reid a surrender cheque that their asses can't cash, why doesn't Boehner just announce that he will negotiate with Reid and the real Democrats only?

RINO's unhappy with the House should feel free to change parties.

30 posted on 10/14/2013 12:09:48 PM PDT by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: lodi90

The internet will prevent House Republicans from hiding from their constituents. If they want to keep their jobs, they need to hold the line.


31 posted on 10/14/2013 12:14:37 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Impy
RE “Thats a “deal”?
Does Reid also get their granddaughter’s hands in marriage along with a huge dowry?”

Recall Germany surrendered that humiliation Treaty of Versailles after their people demanded peace, which was after Wilson's 14 points promised them they would be treated humanly, suckers!

32 posted on 10/14/2013 12:26:04 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: sickoflibs
Is Reid going to make McConnell and Bohner sign the deal in that old French railway car where Germnay surrendered in the Treaty of Versailles??

aw hell nah...boner and mcgoo will happily wave the parchment before the masses while declaring 'peace in our time'...

no need for railcars...yet...

33 posted on 10/15/2013 3:19:20 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Gilbo_3
RE :”aw hell nah...boner and mcgoo will happily wave the parchment before the masses while declaring ‘peace in our time’

That analogy seems popular here now but I don't think it applies.

Bohner did the Newt shutdown thing. He actually went through with it. (Turns out that didnt automatically defund Obama-care, but who cudda known?)

Next is for him to do the Newt surrender thing in that old French railway car. Then years from now we will hear romantic stories of how glorious the victory was by Rush and others.

34 posted on 10/15/2013 4:40:40 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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