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North Andover (MA) High Punishes (sober) Teen For Giving Drunken Pal Ride Home From Party
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Posted on 10/14/2013 12:12:38 PM PDT by matt04

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So the school is essentially saying let your drunk friends drive and kill themselves or someone else or get in trouble for helping them. God job.
1 posted on 10/14/2013 12:12:39 PM PDT by matt04
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If you’re helping drive underage teens home from a party, you’re enabling them to break the law and violate the school policy. As for kids driving home drunk, there’s a solution to that. Tell the parents to teach them to obey the law, respect their bodies and not drink. If a kid drives the drunk kid home, that’s also helping the drunk kid to hide the activity from his parents. He should be calling his parents for the ride and not recruiting his otherwise innocent, non-participating friend as an enabler. It doesn’t sound like the punishment she got was disproportionate.


2 posted on 10/14/2013 12:18:13 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: matt04

The student has more common sense than the school administration. This is what happens when all references to God and his commandments are thrown out of our education system. They set up lists of silly rules that are considered to be sacrosanct, and then condemn those kids who believe in the Bible and the ten commandments.


3 posted on 10/14/2013 12:18:23 PM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: matt04

“””Neither the school district nor its attorney could be reached for comment””””

That’s the biggest problem with schools these days. They lawyer up right away instead of having the Principal look at the situation, use some common sense and end it right there.


4 posted on 10/14/2013 12:18:52 PM PDT by shelterguy
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To: matt04
But Andover High told Erin she was in violation of the district’s zero tolerance policy

I am sick of "Zero Tolerance" being applied to everything in life so people who are in authority don't have to think or make judgement calls.
Posses a gun, out
Posses a picture of a gun, out.
Eat a pop-tart into the shape of a gun, out.

Underage drinking, out.
Pick up a friend who had been drinking so she doesn't kill herself or someone else while driving drunk, OUT!

The world has gone nuts and school administrators in particular need to be THROWN OUT!

5 posted on 10/14/2013 12:18:52 PM PDT by grobdriver
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To: matt04

And she should have called the kids’ parents if she cared about his well-being, not drive him home herself.


6 posted on 10/14/2013 12:19:25 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: matt04

As long as people vote for fools as school board members and give mediocre teachers and administrators tenure, nonsense like this will continue to happen. The only way to hold them accountable is to sue them personally wherever possible.


7 posted on 10/14/2013 12:20:26 PM PDT by allendale
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To: matt04

what part of the police evindence that the child was neither using drugs nor drinking alcohol nor in the POSESSION of SAME do these dweebs not GET?

do they somehow assume that being in PROXIMITY.to..equates to Posession OF?

in that case I owned dozens of collectable automobiles the last time I visited a car show...


8 posted on 10/14/2013 12:20:29 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( Un-Documented Journalist / Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: JediJones
If a kid drives the drunk kid home, that’s also helping the drunk kid to hide the activity from his parents.

It's also helping the kid not kill ME.

As for kids driving home drunk, there’s a solution to that. Tell the parents to teach them to obey the law, respect their bodies and not drink.

And, kids always do what their parents say, right?

9 posted on 10/14/2013 12:21:28 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: JediJones
It doesn’t sound like the punishment she got was disproportionate.

sounds to me like there is no Grace in your life- would you rather she was there drinking -? for Heavens sake - she PREVENTED someone from driving drunk and possibly hitting YOUR child

In my book - preventing a felony dwi trumps school policy, which btw had nothing to do with school property etc...

children belong to their parents, not the nanny state

stop feeding inti it

10 posted on 10/14/2013 12:22:25 PM PDT by Revelation 911 (if "meat is murder" what is abortion?)
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>> she should have called the kids’ parents if she cared about his well-being, not drive him home herself.

Wow. I guess you skipped those teen years altogether.

Born an adult... weaned on a pickle. :-)


11 posted on 10/14/2013 12:24:26 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Revelation 911

What you said.


12 posted on 10/14/2013 12:27:37 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: matt04
I'm from there. In my youth, the principal would have thanked the student for being responsible, while reminding her about the dangers of alcohol. And that would have been that. But today, it's never that simple. It's about Following The Agenda, always, because we might lose our State and Federal funding if we don't make an example out of someone.

"Zero Tolerance" = Zero Intelligence. Welcome to Obamerika.

13 posted on 10/14/2013 12:28:29 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Cogito, ergo armatum sum.)
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To: matt04
“She didn’t do anything wrong. She did what she thought was right...."

Those two things sound really stupid when put together.


So the school is essentially saying let your drunk friends drive

No, it says kids should not drink. Maybe the friend should have called a taxi? These moronic kids/adults throwing this party should probably be charged with something harsh.

14 posted on 10/14/2013 12:28:33 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Mr. Lucky

tru dat


15 posted on 10/14/2013 12:30:16 PM PDT by Revelation 911 (if "meat is murder" what is abortion?)
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To: Gumdrop
This is what happens when all references to God and his commandments are thrown out of our education system.

because God knows how much kids need to get drunk a lot, silly rules like no drunken kids are totally against the ten commandments.

Thou shalt get thy children drunk is in there somewhere??

16 posted on 10/14/2013 12:30:30 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: MeshugeMikey

aiding and abetting a crime is a crime


17 posted on 10/14/2013 12:31:00 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Nervous Tick

I can guarantee you I skipped any event where underage kids were drinking alcohol, as every young person should.


18 posted on 10/14/2013 12:31:29 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: Revelation 911
"children belong to their parents"... even if they are molesting them?

No right??

You statist!

/sarc
So, it's only the stuff you are okay with that counts?

19 posted on 10/14/2013 12:32:37 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: JediJones

>> I can guarantee you I skipped any event where underage kids were drinking alcohol

I’ll vouch for you; I don’t ever remember you at any of the events I was at, and I’m *sure* a guy with a halo would have stuck in my memory.


20 posted on 10/14/2013 12:35:34 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Revelation 911

A zero tolerance policy on drugs and alcohol for its students is not the “nanny state,” it’s setting a proper standard for an institution that someone is going to earn a diploma from. If you either help supply the alcohol or help transport the kids back and forth from the “bender,” you’re enabling their activity, even if you aren’t drinking yourself.


21 posted on 10/14/2013 12:36:47 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: JediJones

>> it’s setting a proper standard for an institution that someone is going to earn a diploma from.

You mean “...for an institution from which someone is going to earn a diploma.”

Sounds like at your high school they had their ducks in a row on the alcohol thing... grammar, not so much!

A preposition is a word you should NEVER end a sentence with. :-)


22 posted on 10/14/2013 12:40:09 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: GeronL

If she had called the cops....shed be off scott free?


23 posted on 10/14/2013 12:42:11 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( Un-Documented Journalist / Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: matt04

It is good that young Erin learns early that government, at every level, is capricious, vindictive, and stupid.


24 posted on 10/14/2013 12:45:07 PM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gun Control Haiku: Say "Registration" / And they call you paranoid / So say "Privacy")
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To: Nervous Tick

Has nothing to do with halos or being perfect. But it’s people like you, who imply that a staple of everyone’s “teen years” is illegal alcohol use, who are part of the problem. We need more people serving as examples of good behavior, not making excuses for bad behavior or suggesting that it’s normal and everyone does it, which isn’t true. Many human tragedies would be prevented if kids and adults for that matter did not use illegal substances of any kind.


25 posted on 10/14/2013 12:45:18 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: onedoug

ping


26 posted on 10/14/2013 12:45:53 PM PDT by windcliff
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To: JediJones
If you either help supply the alcohol or help transport the kids back and forth from the “bender,” you’re enabling their activity, even if you aren’t drinking yourself.

Yes. Obviously, it would have been far preferable for the enabled drunk kid to have driven head-on into a family on her way home over those narrow, windy Boxford roads.

I agree on "zero tolerance," incidentally. I think the principal should be fired for this.

27 posted on 10/14/2013 12:46:53 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: matt04

Is anybody in Massachusetts not an asshole?


28 posted on 10/14/2013 12:47:05 PM PDT by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: matt04

“zero tolerance”=zero common sense. It’s a dodge protect administrators from having to make judgment calls and possibly having to defend their decisions.


29 posted on 10/14/2013 12:48:33 PM PDT by Hugin
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30 posted on 10/14/2013 12:50:00 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: matt04

So the school is essentially saying let your drunk friends drive and kill themselves or someone else or get in trouble for helping them. God job.

But if she was driving a transgender or gay friend to a sexual encounter she would be praised for doing the right thing.


31 posted on 10/14/2013 12:50:23 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Haiku Guy
It is good that young Erin learns early that government, at every level, is capricious, vindictive, and stupid.

That's absolutely the lesson she should learn!

32 posted on 10/14/2013 12:50:40 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Haiku Guy

The only one stupid is her parent who is “proud” of her for helping enable and cover up her friend’s illegal behavior instead of reporting it to the child’s parents. The school’s policy is probably that she should not be in attendance at these illegal parties. She was and she didn’t need to be.

No one’s saying her violation was severe, but her punishment of missing a few sporting events is hardly severe either. She isn’t missing any classes or schoolwork or being asked to put in extra time in detention. It’s appropriate.


33 posted on 10/14/2013 12:50:47 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: Hugin
It’s a dodge protect administrators from having to make judgment calls and possibly having to defend their decisions.

Especially those who are where they are because of "Affirmative Action."

34 posted on 10/14/2013 12:50:50 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: matt04

Paging Lieutenant Colonel Frank Slade, couple of FReepers need a lecture...


35 posted on 10/14/2013 12:50:52 PM PDT by ratzoe (damn, I miss Barbara Olson)
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To: JediJones

Oh, Puhlease!


36 posted on 10/14/2013 12:51:11 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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“And she should have called the kids’ parents if she cared about his well-being, not drive him home herself.”

So the next time instead of calling a friend, maybe he just drives himself home?


37 posted on 10/14/2013 12:51:48 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: matt04

Liberals always punish those who do it right, and reward the scumbags.


38 posted on 10/14/2013 12:52:02 PM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I'm not a gynecologist, but I'll take a look.)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Probably, but apparently someone had already called


39 posted on 10/14/2013 12:52:13 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Rome2000
Is anybody in Massachusetts not an asshole?

The proper noun is "Masshole."

40 posted on 10/14/2013 12:52:34 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: JediJones

OK, what you say may be true. What business is it of the school’s?


41 posted on 10/14/2013 12:52:37 PM PDT by Defiant (GOPe Strategy: We have to fund Obamacare in order to see how bad it is. Good idea, guys!)
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>> not making excuses for bad behavior

I see your point. The young sober HARD WORKING girl who took pity on a classmate (and society) and gave the classmate a ride to prevent a horrible accident was guilty of bad behavior.

She should be punished so damn hard that she’ll never even *dream* of doing something stupid like *that* again.

LORD have mercy! In our self-righteous zeal we have lost the ability to find goodness in the midst of evil.

In our zeal to Set The All Important Good Example, we trample the very one who did.

(well, if not we, at least one of us...)


42 posted on 10/14/2013 12:52:44 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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A North Andover High School honor student, Erin was cleared by police, who agreed she had not been drinking and was not in possession of alcohol. But Andover High told Erin she was in violation of the district’s zero tolerance policy against alcohol and drug use. In the middle of her senior year, Erin was demoted from captain of the volleyball team and told she would be suspended from playing for five games.

School's right.

That's what she gets for being friends with the wrong kids.

43 posted on 10/14/2013 12:52:46 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: JediJones

I’m not sure why I suspect you’ve not yet raised teenaged kids. Even the good kids who don’t themselves drink will do as Erin Cox did, and come to the rescue of a fruebd who behaved improperly. News flash: kids, especially teens, behave improperly from time to time. Usually, they outgrow it.


44 posted on 10/14/2013 12:53:04 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: cynwoody

There’s no guarantee that would have been the outcome and it’s not her responsibility either way. If she’s constantly making herself available as a free ride for her friends to drink then she is enabling them, because they know they can use her as an escape route every time. If she said no then the other kid would have had more difficulty getting out of her jam and would have thought twice about getting herself into that situation the next time.


45 posted on 10/14/2013 12:54:14 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: JediJones

There are maybe seven kids in the country who haven’t attended a drinking party at one time or another in their overly protected lives. Kids will be kids and all the nanny state efforts will not stop that.


46 posted on 10/14/2013 12:54:22 PM PDT by shelterguy
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To: JediJones
The only one stupid is her parent who is “proud” of her for helping enable and cover up her friend’s illegal behavior instead of reporting it to the child’s parents.

I gather, then, that you disagree with all those designated-driver PSAs. That you think public policy should be to encourage drunks to get behind the wheel and drive home (or not).

47 posted on 10/14/2013 12:55:27 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Hugin

No, maybe he doesn’t drink next time at all because he realizes his friends aren’t supporting him. Or maybe his parents punish him when they find out and take control of the situation. It’s difficult to grasp how you can’t see that if a law-abiding friend constantly makes herself available to drive the getaway car how that encourages the illegal behavior.


48 posted on 10/14/2013 12:57:04 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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>> There are maybe seven kids in the country who haven’t attended a drinking party

...and we’re honored to have three or four of ‘em right here on this thread! How cool is that?


49 posted on 10/14/2013 12:57:04 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: matt04

This is no different than that case in Virginia recently of school administrators suspending some boys who were playing with toy guns on private property. In neither case should the school be involved, period.


50 posted on 10/14/2013 12:57:17 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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