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Redoubt: Northwest a Haven for Dismayed Americans
CBN News Middle East Bureau ^ | Monday, October 14, 2013 | Chuck Holton

Posted on 10/14/2013 1:13:06 PM PDT by robowombat

Redoubt: Northwest a Haven for Dismayed Americans

By Chuck Holton CBN News Reporter Monday, October 14, 2013

NORTHERN IDAHO -- You don't hear the word "redoubt" used very much anymore. It means a "fortress" or a "safe, protected place."

Some conservative American Christians are so dismayed with direction of the country that they're looking for a safe place for their families. They call it the "American Redoubt."

Alarm over the future of America can be seen almost daily in the headlines and on cable news. The loss of privacy, constitutional freedoms, and out-of-control government spending are just a few of the reasons sending shock waves across the country.

For Christians, there are even bigger concerns. Religious persecution is on the rise, and that's leading many believers to look beyond the ballot box and start voting with their feet.

A More Simple Way

"I was pastoring a city church, and it was through my own Bible study and prayer that I became convicted that we needed to live in a different situation. Ultimately we believe God led us to the Northwest," Pastor Dave Westrook said.

Westbrook moved his family out of the city 12 years ago. They chose an area that is attracting more and more like-minded families every year -- the inland Pacific Northwest. It's an area that includes Montana, Wyoming, Idaho and the eastern parts of Washington and Oregon.

Members call their movement the "American Redoubt."

"I think that people recognize that tough times are coming. And it's time to think about their situation, it's time to think about how they live now, and the security of their family, the stability of society and how they are going to relate to that," Westbrook said.

"But I'm finding something else, too." he continued. "That is that more and more people are resonating with this idea of getting back to the land, of living a simple, more natural way.

"The way I see it, the Creator wired us for this. This is really what we were set up for," he said.

Free to Live

Idaho is a paradise for nature lovers of all kinds. It's also one of the least populous states in the union.

That's a big draw for the kind of people that would come to the American Redoubt, not necessarily because they want to get away from everybody, but because they feel like it's more free for them to live and work and worship as they please.

"Your kids can run free; they are spending time with the livestock, in the garden," Westbrook said.

John and Sarah enjoyed life in Florida until a hurricane changed their outlook forever. They asked that we not show their faces.

"We saw how quickly things deteriorated, how fragile our civilization is, and I witnessed people getting into fist fights over bags of ice," John said. "And I realized that if things were to get worse in this country, I needed to be someplace safe, out of the big city."

The couple invested their life savings and recently moved to the American Redoubt. So far, they're very happy with their choice.

"Right now I can say we're excited about the new challenges and the new life that we've embraced," Sarah said. "What challenges are coming our way I don't know, but I know that God brought us here and He will bring us through any challenges that we might face."

The Biggest Draw

The growth here has spawned radio programs and even its own silver coins. Todd Savage moved his real estate business from San Francisco and now helps people looking to make the move.

"The core of this movement is to help like-minded conservative Christians move to the redoubt area, eastern Washington, Idaho, Montana, and sometimes Wyoming," Savage said. "It's a wonderful place to be to educate your children and to have freedom."

"Since the reelection of President Obama we've seen a huge increase in demand," he said.

Savage maintains high standards for his clients, however.

"I screen my clients because the American Redoubt is meant for freedom-loving folks that are accepting of everyone, irregardless of their religious preferences or their skin color, although predominantly they are conservative Christians of all races, colors and creeds and national origins," he said.

And it's not just families -- businesses are moving in as well. One notable growth industry -- gun and ammo manufacturers driven out of other states by restrictive gun legislation. There are now 180 in Idaho alone.

But Westbrook asserts the biggest draw is spiritual.

"We're not just preparing for tough times just ahead, we're interested in preparing for eternity," he said. "The environment is just so much more conducive -- and particularly it's so much more conducive to our spiritual walk with God. For us, for my family, that's the number one reason why we did this."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Idaho
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Two things:

1. Once again a non-MSMsource explores an emerging major story. The drama of thousands and soon perhaps tens of thousands of real Americans voting with their feet to escape socialist diversity tyranny.

2. If the economy remains mired at the point where one in six are on foodstamps and nearly a third of the country is effectively unemployed and the political class use de facto amnesty to encourage an endless flood of third world people to come here normal middle class Americans will have little choice but to find places to fort up to not live in a third world hell hole.

1 posted on 10/14/2013 1:13:06 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat
I have never thought about the ID panhandle as the NW.

More of the Mountain West inhabited (partially by Nazis (Aryan Nation et. al.)) by isolationists, tree choppers and a couple of decent Ski Areas. If ID had no State Income Tax, I'd consider moving there.

2 posted on 10/14/2013 1:17:55 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Noumenon

Ping.


3 posted on 10/14/2013 1:20:59 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Paladin2

You could move to Eastern Washington state, near the Idaho border; there’s no state income tax in WA.


4 posted on 10/14/2013 1:24:09 PM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: robowombat

People are fleeing the cities, I imagine.


5 posted on 10/14/2013 1:24:14 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
Good point, Spokane has a number of Ski Areas too (and my historical access point to BC and AB skiing).

My only problem is that WA is a Lib voting haven and the lack of Income Tax is under periodic assault.

6 posted on 10/14/2013 1:28:11 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

Eastern Washington is a lot different than the rest of the state. It’s actually an entirely different state in many ways! Spokane isn’t bad. I knew a gal many, many moons ago who came from Colville, WA. Small town - under 5,000 population.


7 posted on 10/14/2013 1:32:39 PM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: robowombat

I know that we sure do get a lot of former police and firemen moving here to retire, mostly from California - Mark Fuhrman being the most notable. I can think of at least eight that I know personally.


8 posted on 10/14/2013 1:33:56 PM PDT by PrivateIdaho ( "Courage is being scared to death... but saddling up anyway." (John Wayne))
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To: Paladin2

The Aryan nations moved to San Diego.
Tree choppers!?!?!? What do you wipe your butt with?
There is plenty of “civilization” here but isolation is very conducive to getting in touch with your spiritual side...you should try it.


9 posted on 10/14/2013 1:34:48 PM PDT by axxmann (If McCain is conservative then I'm a freakin' anarchist.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Why is the Middle East Bureau reporting on this story?


10 posted on 10/14/2013 1:35:24 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: CondorFlight

LOL. Good question.

Slow news day in the Middle East perhaps? Gotta fill that webspace, after all!


11 posted on 10/14/2013 1:37:54 PM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: axxmann
I don't have any problem with chopping trees (they are renewable!), I do it all the time here at the compound to keep from being overgrown.

As a kid in the Scouts we used to chop trees to build structures and square rigs for canoes catamaraned up. Also to build a tripod water drilling rig using an axle shaft (the water table was only about 5 ft down). I enjoy wooden houses and furniture. Fires in the pit and fireplace too.

The only issues I've had are with downbound logging trucks.

12 posted on 10/14/2013 1:50:52 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: axxmann
I have told my granddaughter that she is young enough to see if the current trends of deliberate inundation by third world peoples, cultural marxism, and the general Mexicanization of the national political culture are irremediable. If so then do whatever is necessary to start or restart life in the belt of states running from the Dakotas to eastern Washington. The invaders and their American Quislings are not likely to ever be numerous there even though there are far to many damp Americans in the Boise valley and in central Washington (Yakima).
13 posted on 10/14/2013 1:56:05 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: CondorFlight

the story points out that any nationality or religion is welcome

code phrase to green light muslim influx / infiltration


14 posted on 10/14/2013 1:57:22 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad; Paladin2

Maybe we need to re-structure Oregon & Washington. Make from the Canadian border to the California border west of the I-5 Oregon, & everything east of the I-5 Washington. A state named after our First President should be conservative!


15 posted on 10/14/2013 1:59:46 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: Twotone

What to do about Bend, Ore.?


16 posted on 10/14/2013 2:01:27 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: axxmann
"There is plenty of “civilization” here"

I always laugh at the week-long vacationers talking on their cell phones about returning civilizations as they are on the bus from Big Sky to the Bozeman Mont. A/P.

Bozeman is a Peoples' Republic and has most every accoutrement of American "civilization" that I can think of. Even 'Rat Senators.

17 posted on 10/14/2013 2:06:45 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: robowombat; All

Here is where the “redoubt” idea started.

J.W., Rawles fine site survivalblog.com. If you prep you should check it out. The realtor mentioned in the article,Todd Savage, is an advertisor on the site:

http://www.survivalblog.com/redoubt.html


18 posted on 10/14/2013 2:24:48 PM PDT by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Interesting. What do people do for work there?


19 posted on 10/14/2013 2:29:59 PM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: dynachrome

I have had Survivalblog.com as a desktop shortcut for many years. I check in each day for JWR’s latest updates. My old butt is up in the Redoubt and I couldn’t be more happy about my retirement location!


20 posted on 10/14/2013 3:29:20 PM PDT by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)
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To: robowombat

A historical reference:

“If all else fails,
I will retreat up the valley of Virginia
to plant my flag on the Blue Ridge,
and rally around the Scotch-Irish of that region,
and make my last stand for liberty
amongst a people who will never submit to tyranny
whilst there is a man left to draw a trigger.”
~George Washington at Valley Forge~


21 posted on 10/14/2013 3:35:51 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Fixed position + modern airpower = deathtrap.


22 posted on 10/14/2013 3:51:23 PM PDT by Noumenon (What would Michael Collins do?)
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To: robowombat

How much snow in Idaho?


23 posted on 10/14/2013 3:56:08 PM PDT by HokieMom (Pacepa : Can the U.S. afford a president who can't recognize anti-Americanism?)
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To: robowombat

How much snow in Idaho?


24 posted on 10/14/2013 3:56:13 PM PDT by HokieMom (Pacepa : Can the U.S. afford a president who can't recognize anti-Americanism?)
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*oops! Page was hanging up and timing out....


25 posted on 10/14/2013 3:57:20 PM PDT by HokieMom (Pacepa : Can the U.S. afford a president who can't recognize anti-Americanism?)
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To: DuncanWaring
Life During Wartime
26 posted on 10/14/2013 3:59:38 PM PDT by Noumenon (What would Michael Collins do?)
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To: Paladin2

We encourage them to move?


27 posted on 10/14/2013 4:00:07 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: HokieMom
Some places a lot. inters are cold there but milder in the valleys. I can't imagine Muslims ever being interested in being there or this region. The Somalis in Maine and Minnesota are city dwelling welfare rats put there by our ‘refugee’ Quislings. Arabs and their ilk have no stomach for really cold weather. Turks do but other than Germany they haven't seemed to feel the inclination to move to white countries. I can see several large ‘islands’ of traditional American culture (Appalachian region for instance, for one) as well as the NW emerging if current trends continue.
28 posted on 10/14/2013 4:17:55 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat

Millions of red-blooded Americans are becoming increasingly open to such ideas. Thanks for the details.


29 posted on 10/14/2013 4:21:52 PM PDT by HokieMom (Pacepa : Can the U.S. afford a president who can't recognize anti-Americanism?)
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To: OldNewYork
Interesting. What do people do for work there?

Aye, there's the rub. A fair amount of agricultural work, not much in the way of amenities. I have an IT job to which I commute 120 miles on Sunday evening and back to paradise every Friday evening. I've done that for a decade. It's absolutely worth it but I don't have a wife and family to neglect.

The resort areas are little enclaves of liberalism but mostly they leave you alone (Sun Valley being a possible exception to that rule). We have had waves of back-to-the-earth types in past decades but they're usually out of here after the first winter. I recall pulling my ex-next-door neighbor's Escalade out of a ditch one late autumn - he returned to San Diego and never came back.

Frankly I really don't find winter that bad, at least not since I've taken up cannibalism. Your mileage may vary.

30 posted on 10/14/2013 4:24:00 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

Got any marinade suggestions?


31 posted on 10/14/2013 4:31:17 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring
I would not move to Montana,too cold, no jobs,, you cannot eat the mountains,bears, wolves, gun nuts, I would look at Soutern Idaho around Pocatello.
32 posted on 10/14/2013 4:41:41 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 ("All Pigs are equal, but some Pigs are more equal" George Orwell, Animal Farm.)
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To: Noumenon

This is likely to end very poorly for many of “us”.

But “they” cannot win a war of attrition.

Recall Stockdale and Solzhenitsyn.

Imagine a dozen Chris Dorners in a dozen large cities who have the good sense to just stick to doing what needs to be done and keep their mouths shut.


33 posted on 10/14/2013 4:58:47 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

A thousand ways to die.


34 posted on 10/14/2013 5:01:14 PM PDT by Noumenon (What would Michael Collins do?)
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To: Paladin2
More of the Mountain West inhabited (partially by Nazis (Aryan Nation et. al.)) by isolationists, tree choppers and a couple of decent Ski Areas.

You have a comic book idea of what North Idaho really is. Would you like to explain why you invoke this "Nazi(Aryan Nation et. al))" crap?

35 posted on 10/14/2013 7:31:22 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Democrats--the party of Evil. Republicans--the party of Stupid.)
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To: RobinOfKingston
"Would you like to explain why you invoke this "Nazi(Aryan Nation et. al))" crap? "

That's where they hung out. The Feds were all over them. Who wants the BATFE bugging you to saw off a shotgun barrel? Or bugging you about anything else? Better to live nearby in WA or much farther to the East(SE) in Wyo. or So. Dak.

I always enjoyed my times there. I'm looking at no Income Tax places.

I have no issues with the Idaho p/h, I may buy a (Smith) truck in Kellogg.

36 posted on 10/14/2013 8:02:11 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Repeal The 17th
"and rally around the Scotch-Irish of that region, and make my last stand for liberty"

Interesting that GW went after the Whiskey Rebellers of Western PA.

37 posted on 10/14/2013 8:08:35 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Twotone
"We encourage them to move?"

Sure, back to Portland....

38 posted on 10/14/2013 8:09:57 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: RobinOfKingston
"http://www.bonnercountydailybee.com/news/local/article_49c6dd40-e428-11e1-9fd8-0019bb2963f4.html"

I'm still looking for links to the folks who lived south of the (Sandpoint) Lake who were (as I recall) abused by the (local?) gov't.

(The Weavers not withstanding.)

39 posted on 10/14/2013 8:28:36 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: RobinOfKingston
Finman, 56, was to be tried this week in 1st District Court, but the prosecution and the defense negotiated a settlement that amended one of the counts and dismissed the other two.

The alleged victims in the case were unavailable testify at trial, according to Bonner County Prosecutor Louis Marshall. Marshall said the family’s patriarch, a dyed-in-the-wool sovereign citizen, declined to let his wife and two children testify because he does not acknowledge the legitimacy of Idaho’s government.

Marshall called Finman’s conduct “reckless, criminal and inappropriate,” but noted that nobody was hurt during the episode.

40 posted on 10/14/2013 8:41:26 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

Guckey family?


41 posted on 10/15/2013 6:05:43 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: sten
he story points out that any nationality or religion is welcome

code phrase to green light muslim influx / infiltration


No, not if they are intolerant of other religions. This is America and anyone can live anywhere they want. I think what Savage is saying is that his organization will only help those who do not discriminate against other nationalities or religions.
42 posted on 03/10/2014 11:11:27 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: HokieMom

I lived in the Northern panhandle for a few years and were at an elevation of ~3000ft. We had about 3 feet of snow on the ground throughout the winter. However, if I drove about 15 minutes to town, where the elevation was about 2000 ft. the snow would come and go throughout the winter. It is fairly temperate there due to the close proximity to the coast.


43 posted on 03/10/2014 11:14:14 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Paladin2
I have never thought about the ID panhandle as the NW.

Why not? Those of us who live just across the stateline in Washington State certainly do.

44 posted on 03/10/2014 11:19:42 AM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: HokieMom

As another comment pointed out, it depends a lot on elevation and also actual location and conditions that winter.

Here is a webcam near Wallace:

http://www.watchidaho.net/wallace_Idaho_pass_webcam.html


45 posted on 03/10/2014 11:24:18 AM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: Sopater

It’s sounding interesting — and skiing in Sun Valley... nice!


46 posted on 03/10/2014 11:47:00 AM PDT by HokieMom (Pacepa : Can the U.S. afford a president who can't recognize anti-Americanism?)
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To: steve86

I hear lots of nice things about Boise — or leaving the country all together is starting to look like an option.


47 posted on 03/10/2014 11:48:04 AM PDT by HokieMom (Pacepa : Can the U.S. afford a president who can't recognize anti-Americanism?)
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To: HokieMom

Of course, Sun Valley and Boise are not in the Panhandle and the southern Idaho culture is a bit different (not saying better or worse).


48 posted on 03/10/2014 11:50:38 AM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: Sopater

which is code phrase for ‘protect muslims’ as Christians in American (so far) haven’t needed protection... yet the muslims cry for special treatment constantly (like homosexuals)


49 posted on 03/10/2014 1:55:24 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: steve86; Paladin2
Also, the ID panhandle is on Pacific time, where the rest of ID is on Mountain time.


50 posted on 03/10/2014 3:17:20 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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