Skip to comments.Potential Senate Deal Would Fund US to Jan. 15, Raise Ceiling Through Feb. 15
Posted on 10/14/2013 2:09:08 PM PDT by tcrlaf
The latest outline of a potential Senate deal to end the fiscal impasse and government shutdown calls for keeping the government funded until Jan. 15 and raising the debt limit through Feb. 15, congressional aides told ABC News today.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Senator Minority Leader Mitch McConnell are spearheading the negotiations as the White House postponed a planned afternoon meeting with congressional leaders to give them time to do their work.
It is still a moving target, but the plan is the framework for what McConnell and Reid believe could make a deal -- "and avoid repeating this all over again at Christmas," in the words of one top adviser.
But it's unclear how House Speaker John Boehner, who is being advised on the plan, and his Republican conference would react to any Senate deal. Boehner met this afternoon with McConnell for about 30 minutes for "an update on negotiations," a spokesman said.
(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...
Senate Repubs were supposed to meet with Boehner, right now, but it seems that has now been delayed to Tuesday morning, per FOX
Does it include an across-the-board spending cut? If not, then it’s worthless.
I have heard the medical device tax is one of the main ways they were planning on getting funds for Obamacare?
They’ll repeal that tax and charge the general public a bigger tax in general for it. Bend over America here it comes again!
Who cares about the medical device tax cut. I don’t manufacture medical devices. I could care less if they get a tax cut or not. Why does the GOP continue to fall on it’s sword? (I know stupid question) Listen to “We the People”!
There better be some concessions in this. The medical device tax, yes it is a stupid tax, but that’s just tinkering on the edges.
Tactical Retreat - as long as we don't give in on Sequestration, run the clock out on Amnesty, and Let Obamacare become the front page fiasco that it is, we are winning....
Obamacare may take affect, but it's going to wake a sleeping giant, and we're ready to take it on. No Justice No Peace !!!
“Why does the GOP continue to fall on its sword? (I know stupid question) Listen to We the People!”
Because what “We The People” think doesn’t matter, what “WE THE MEDIA!” does, in the DC bubble.
The Dems have a long history of not keeping their part of any agreement they have ever made with the ‘Pubbies.
Why should we think they’ll keep this one? This is just another episode of “kick the can down the road”!
It seems to me that that tax is preposterous and should be the first to be expunged.
“I have heard the medical device tax is one of the main ways they were planning on getting funds for Obamacare?”
That is absolutely incorrect.
The medical device tax would only bring in revenues ot approx. 2.9Billion per year, a drop in the bucket for the ACA costs.
Further, the conservatives are being hoodwinked by “conservative Congressman anyway,... The excise tax is one of several manufacturers excise taxes included in subtitle D, chapter 32, of the Internal Revenue Code. Section 4221 of the Code provides that sales for further manufacture or export are exempt from these excises.
Meaning, the medical device tax is nearly the smallest tax created by the ACA, and the GOP conservatives bit off the smallest possible piece to chew, and even on that they can’t gain a win here. There were much much better ways to wrangle in the ACA, and the “conservative House members” chose the path of least resistance with greatest symbolic, but not substantive effect to latch on to in order to maintain their Tea Party creds.
You’ve been lied to, in ways you won’t understand until they find a new paradigm to lie to you,....
The medical device tax is not a concession. Everyone agreed it was bad and had to go. There had better be budget cuts in this.
‘Rats are Lucy.
We need a few months of focus on one thing - the disaster called Obamacare. Once people see it isn't free and the supposed subsidies suck, it just could die of its own weight.
Clearly, even if the users loved it (won't), once the numbers start coming out of how expensive the actual care is to the gov’t (premiums won't be close to covering the costs), people might just rise up.
Points were made but we just keep getting killed by the press. Let's get past Christmas (there, I actually said it - not “the holidays”!) and deal in 2014; closer to, probably, the most important non-Presidential election in years.
Wow I did not know this. But thanks for clearing it up!
Go-along-get-along-kick the can down the road RINOs are at it again.
The house needs to shoot this down.
Just keep the debt ceiling in place until 2014. Obama is bluffing. He’ll have to cut spending and there will be no default.
Dems are conceding that the tax was an idiotic idea. Revoking it helps undermine Obamacare. It was keeping R&D down in the medical field which blocks new products from coming on the market to help those with disease.
This part of the deal anyway is not the GOP falling on its sword; this is the Dems admitting they were wrong.
From Yahoo News:
“The Senate Democratic aide said that the final deal will probably include some income-verification measure with regards to obtaining subsidies for health insurance through the Affordable Care Act.
But it wouldn’t be anything “too impactful that changes ability to enroll in any meaningful way,” the aide said. The House passed a bill in September along party lines that would require the Department of Health and Human Services inspector general to set up a verification program before it grants subsidies.
Regardless of what happens, Cruz and Lee (and America) are going to be the long-term winners here. When Obamacare crashes and burns, it should be plain as day who rose up at the hour of need.
And whot the hell is going to force the income verification, or verify that it is accurate? This is stupid.
Getting rid of the medical device tax helps lots of dem senators, including Reid.
“This part of the deal anyway is not the GOP falling on its sword; this is the Dems admitting they were wrong.”
Nice try, but you KNOW it won’t be spun that way by the media, right?
There is a rollback in an Obamacare tax.
And talks continue into an election year...which Reid et al did not want.
Why not make the 15% nonessential part of government permanent, subtract that from the budget, and then there won’t be any need to raise the debt limit.
Of course...they are perpetual liars.
But that doesn't mean the truth didn't happen.
It appears sequester in place for a couple of months. A short delay on med rev tax and budget negotiations which Cruz and the house have blocked. Basically total copitulation. No other way of reading. No delays in Obamacare, no long term spending cuts and no upper hand in budget negotiations where we are 70 billion apart in numbers but way off in priorities. Also polling in the toilet. How else do you spin this?
Ditto Dan !!! This is far from over .. let's let the population get worked up over Obamacare and then ride THAT issue.
The Tea Party was NOT WRONG, they were just ahead of the curve. Let the working Joe's who don't get into politics get thru Open Seanson first ... then you will see a tidal change ..
Sure looks like doormat RINOS Boehner and McConnell are a-fixin’ to cave in AGAIN to the Obama-Reid Regime.
time to get on the phones to the usual GOPe suspects:
especially the turncoat ayotte. you know: mcconnell, cornyn, corker, collins, murky, alexander, etc., etc.
GOP listen up! Jimmy Stewart explains the sequester, the shutdown and the looming debt limit “disaster”... “we’re panicking and he’s not”.
I guess they leak the story out early to see if we will accept the cave in deals they come up with (to see if any of it will “stick”).
The BBC World News editor Mark Mardell spoke a few minutes ago on air of the GOP needing something in the deal to “save face”.
In other words Boehner and his team need something to look good and I don’t think there’s anything good about caving into Obama.
Regardless of the deal, this exercise did a lot to clarify who is against Obamacare and who wants to go along to get along. So when Obamacare crashes and burns, you will know who was right.
The Republicans want to use anger over Obamacare to keep on electing RINO’s who won’t get rid of it after they get elected anyway.
Nothing they do will "look good" to these people. They will NEVER vote for them anyway.
I like combining all of our leverage, which is sequester and the debt limit.- Paul Ryan to National Review, October 2nd, 2013.
Where in the world to Paul Ryan get the idea that the GOP would have any leverage on the debt ceiling? We have had a successful govt. shutdown for 2 weeks, which will only come to an end, because going past the debt ceiling date is being heralded as armageddon? Republicans are caving, not because they want to end the shutdown, but because they are so scared that the global economy will collapse if they don’t raise the debt ceiling. Yet, Paul Ryan believed the GOP had leverage with the debt ceiling. What an idiot.
Flipping dials to get feel from all sides, came across Gloria Borger on CNN, they just released the latest poll from ABC/WASHPOST
Poll had blame this way...
I don’t buy the science of political polling, but nevertheless I thought that was pretty good for R, seeing the source
Gloria Borger needs to learn to count, she said 20 points difference there???
Gloria it`s only 13 points difference
Bernie Sanders -I—VT- calls members of House of Representatives “right wing extremists”-
WCAX tv Burlington VT broadcast now but nothing on their website wcax.com
I'm not sure where you get that from. The sequester cuts in growth for '14 are going to go forward. Cuts will be made in Jan. The Dems lost on this and cannot talk about spending for new programs; cuts in growth are doing the opposite of what they want.
A short delay on med rev tax
2 year delay and the tax will not be re-instituted again. Just like the Bush tax cuts. They were finally made permanent.
No delays in Obamacare
It was only going to be a delay in the mandate...no one was ever talking about delaying the whole of Obamacare.
And Obamacare is beginning to fall of its own accord although few realize it. Despite MSM rhetoric and lies we are winning.
(a) the public sees Obamacare for what it is (this will take a few weeks, but only if the government is under the gun): and
(b) the public realizes that the sky will not fall (no default, life goes on).
Today's 'deal' destroys the progress to date and takes the pressure off. No one will want to hear from Ted Cruz and the Tea Party caucus again in January. It will be old news. The public will conclude that Cruz lost and Obama won.
What is the rationale, in the public's mind, for delaying only the House leverage but not Obamacare? There is only one reason and it is that Cruz lost the PR battle. It is then over; there is no rerun. We can't stop and then start again. The voters won't tolerate that.
In addition, the shutdown is hamstringing the immigration amnesty conspirators. Remove it and we'll see an immigration bill going through the House before Thanksgiving.
Today's 'deal' would pave the way for amnesty next month and single-payer healthcare before Obama's term ends.
Ted Cruz was right. The only time to stand against this monster is now.
this “shutdown” has been great hasn’t it. i didn’t think it could happen with the GOPe against us and to have it last this long, icing on the cake. but kudos to Sen.’s Cruz, Lee and the House conservatives for putting it together.
it’s so great to be on offense after so long on defense.
the benefits are many and will be on going for true conservatives. they are readily seen for those with eyes to see.
What’s the point of income verification during the enrollment process?
The IRS controls Obamacare, so all they need to do is compare your enrollment claim/subsidy to your tax return. Liars get stuck with a tax bill, a penalty, and all ur property are belong to us!
-——The IRS controls Obamacare,-—
Which means that to sign up and receive benefits you must come forward. Come April 16 and no tax return they will cut off healthcare and come after you for back taxes
Boehner and the boys are actually grasping for something that conservatives will like so they can pretend to be conservatives who are winning the fight against Obama.
Lets start that conversation by acknowledging we arent going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants... bringing these workers out of the shadows and into being taxpaying members of society. Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers.12 million more people assimilating into society. 12 million more people being productive contributors. [but hes not in favor of amnesty, snicker, definition of is is]
...by softening its edge on some volatile social issues and altering its image as the party always seemingly "eager to go to war... We do need to expand the party and grow the party and that does mean that we don't always all agree on every issue" ... the party needs to become more welcoming to individuals who disagree with basic Republican doctrine on emotional social issues such as gay marriage... "We're going to have to be a little hands off on some of these issues ... and get people into the party," Paul said.
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