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Efforts To Hide Full Cost Of ObamaCare Insurance Fueled Epic Crash
Chicago Tribune ^ | October 15, 2013 | by Grace-Marie Turner

Posted on 10/15/2013 5:02:37 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

The irony is rich. President Obama told Maryland college students just days before the launch of his healthcare "marketplace" that it would take just a few keystrokes to compare prices and policy details.

"Don't take my word for it, go on the website," Obama told a crowd at Prince George's Community College in Largo, MD, five days before the launch. "See for yourself what the prices are. See for yourself what the choices are and then make up your own mind. That's all I'm asking."

But the bureaucrats in his administration clearly weren't listening. They created a website that is calamitously cumbersome and is not at all like the typical online shopping experience that lets people browse for products and prices before making a purchase.

The Healthcare.gov website demands an extraordinary amount of personal information from "shoppers" before they can find out their health insurance options and prices.

Why would they design a site this way? Because the administration didn't want people to get sticker shock by seeing the full cost of the insurance policy upfront. And since subsidies depend upon a number of factors, including income, family size, and health habits, the administration decided to require every potential applicant to enter that information before they could "shop" for policies.

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; failure; obamacare; obamacarepremiums; obamacarerollout; obamacaresoftware; rinocare; trainwreck

1 posted on 10/15/2013 5:02:37 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

They don’t want window shoppers.


2 posted on 10/15/2013 5:04:45 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Fox News just showed a screen shot from Obamacare. It had an entry to register to vote. Why is registering to vote part of Obamacare?


3 posted on 10/15/2013 5:07:10 AM PDT by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

He knew 5 years ago as well as 5 days before that this wasn’t going to work. It’s designed not to. I keep looking for serpents to come out of his mouth, the liar!


4 posted on 10/15/2013 5:07:40 AM PDT by albie
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To: lodi90
They don’t want window shoppers.

They don't want informed shoppers.

But they do want your detailed personal information for other purposes.

If this were a private venture no reasonable person would give out their personal data without a legal commitment to confidentiality. But, of course, we can trust our loving government and Dear Leader.

5 posted on 10/15/2013 5:09:48 AM PDT by Senator_Blutarski
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Why would unions, Democrat staffers, and muslims want to be exempted if it is the best option?

Barrylies.


6 posted on 10/15/2013 5:11:05 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: lodi90

They don’t want any shopper to know the “list” price right off the bat. So they’ve decided to make people jump through hoops to see if they qualify for a subsidy. Then they show the subsidized price to them.

So those shoppers will not see what the rest of the average Joes and Janes pay.

I’m not surprised at all by the pitifully low enrollment. First of all, there’s the sticker shock and second of all, low info voters don’t have a clue that they are mandated to buy health insurance. They think it’s a free gift from the Won..


7 posted on 10/15/2013 5:24:24 AM PDT by randita
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"And since subsidies depend upon a number of factors, including income, family size, and health habits......"

"Health habits" are included in the subsidy matrix??? That's new to me. Frankly, I didn't worry about subsidies that much, so I wasn't paying attention to the "qualifications".

Wonder who establishes the qualifying "health standards"?

8 posted on 10/15/2013 5:30:01 AM PDT by cincinnati65
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This reminds me of websites that won’t tell you a shipping price until after you have entered a credit card number. No sale!


9 posted on 10/15/2013 5:31:30 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Everyone get online for Obamacare on 10/1. Overload the system and crash it hard!)
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To: randita

Ya gotta love the irony. Use the schools to dumb down the people so you can control them but they dumbed them down so much they can’t fill out the forms so that their masters can’t control them.


10 posted on 10/15/2013 5:35:11 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: KarlInOhio

This reminds me of websites that won’t tell you a shipping price until after you have entered a credit card number. No sale!


Agree. But at least you know what the product is, cost etc, before finding out the total cost.


11 posted on 10/15/2013 5:38:04 AM PDT by patriotspride
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

A classic scam. Put you through a bunch of crap before you can see the price.


12 posted on 10/15/2013 5:40:15 AM PDT by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I went to healthcare.gov and bought a time-share.


13 posted on 10/15/2013 5:41:17 AM PDT by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The ONLY people signing up are people with expensive pre-existing conditions. Gosh, who would have guessed?

If I offer home insurance that costs twice as much, but covers homes that have already burned down, who is going to purchase it?


14 posted on 10/15/2013 5:41:43 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: randita
So those shoppers will not see what the rest of the average Joes and Janes pay.

And they will not recognize the uphill battle they'll face trying to better their lot in life when every raise they get is eaten up by their health insurance and taxes.

15 posted on 10/15/2013 5:41:58 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: duckman
Fox News just showed a screen shot from Obamacare. It had an entry to register to vote. Why is registering to vote part of Obamacare?

If a Presidential candidate was smart, he'd call attention to that early and often.

16 posted on 10/15/2013 5:42:31 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: duckman

Fox News just showed a screen shot from Obamacare. It had an entry to register to vote. Why is registering to vote part of Obamacare?n


Could it be that when you register to vote you specify you specify your party affiliation? Then when your care is being reviewed by Obama’s death panels, the decision is an easy one. Just thinking.


17 posted on 10/15/2013 5:45:57 AM PDT by bytesmith
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To: a fool in paradise

For liberals who admire the Canadian system, we conservatives should point out that everyone in Canada from Prime Minister, members of Parliament, gov workers down to the janitor in Canada is under their single payer system. No waivers or exemptions. So what happen to Obamacare liberals??!!!


18 posted on 10/15/2013 5:46:52 AM PDT by Fee
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

People that buy are going to be p*ssed when health care providers start asking for the co-pay money before providing care.


19 posted on 10/15/2013 5:47:55 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

———President Obama told Maryland college students———

Which means he didn’t know.

He did not bother to take a test drive, to actually check it out. Clueless is an accurate descriptive of Obama and Obamacare. He blathers on yada yada yada about a subject on which he has no first hand knowledge. He lacked the common sense to sit down at a computer on the way to his daily campaign speech and see what was there.

The debacle is a metaphor for America. He has no clue the destruction he has wrought in the name of progressive change. His days must come to an end


20 posted on 10/15/2013 5:48:34 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: ryan71

Hahaha...more likely they forced you to buy the time share...which you will be able to Rarely use...and never sell


21 posted on 10/15/2013 5:58:12 AM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: Fee

Ah...but in Canada the “officials” can get in the doctor “line” ahead of the peoens...saw it happen


22 posted on 10/15/2013 6:00:21 AM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“We have to pass the bill to see what is in it” has now become, “You have buy it before you can see how much it is”


23 posted on 10/15/2013 6:11:24 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: Fee

“Single payer” is what Obama has already said he wants (’even if it takes 20 years to get there’ as he told the unions).

It will be offered as a “solution to the problems” of the ACA/Obamacare/OSH!T program currently being put in place.


24 posted on 10/15/2013 6:17:46 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: listenhillary

Everytime I go to my doc I pay the copay upfront. Has always been that way. I sign in and sit down. The gal pulls up my chart which has insurance infor on it and then calls my name. When I walk up to the window she tells me what my copay is and expects a check. I then sit back down and wait to be called to see the doc.


25 posted on 10/15/2013 9:30:19 AM PDT by sheana
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To: sheana

I’ve had co-pays, but huge deductibles are something new to me. My insurance before the current occupant inhabited the white hut had no deductible at all. $20.00 for an office visit was all that I paid out of pocket.

This article was saying that health care providers are expecting the deductible be paid before major medical care is provided. ($4000-$6000)

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-14/patients-pay-before-seeing-doctor-as-deductibles-spread.html


26 posted on 10/15/2013 10:14:18 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: lodi90

Can a clueless clown also be a devious, lying, manipulating, worthless POS? Just asking.


27 posted on 10/15/2013 10:17:17 AM PDT by TruthFactor (Tag-free, for now.)
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To: cincinnati65
Wonder who establishes the qualifying "health standards"?

Well, let's just say that "voting Democrat" has been determine to be beneficial to your health insurance. Capiche?

28 posted on 10/15/2013 10:27:21 AM PDT by kevkrom (It's not "immigration reform", it's an "amnesty bill". Take back the language!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“the administration didn’t want people to get sticker shock by seeing the full cost of the insurance policy upfront.”

That’s as sneaky as a progressively-revealed religion. It’s like fishing — let the fish lip the bait until it swallows the hook. Even then, don’t yank the line too fast and hard or you’ll lose your mullet.


29 posted on 10/15/2013 10:55:35 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
"Don't take my word for it, go on the website... See for yourself what the prices are. See for yourself what the choices are and then make up your own mind. That's all I'm asking." The Healthcare.gov website demands an extraordinary amount of personal information from "shoppers" before they can find out their health insurance options and prices. Why would they design a site this way? Because the administration didn't want people to get sticker shock by seeing the full cost of the insurance policy upfront.
Just quit bitchin' and sign on for one of the coverages at random -- you have to sign up for it to find out what's in it.


30 posted on 10/15/2013 5:26:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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