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Posted on 10/15/2013 5:54:00 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
In a few minutes, House Republicans will meet in the Capitol’s basement. The chief topic of conversation: the emerging Senate deal. But before the meeting even begins, House conservatives are bashing it behind the scenes, and they’re pushing the leadership to reject the compromise. A flurry of phone calls and meetings last night and early this morning led the consensus among the approximatley 50 Republicans who form the House GOP’s right flank. They’re furious with Senate Republicans for working with Democrats to craft what one leading Tea Party congressman calls a “mushy piece of s—t.” Another House conservative warns, “If Boehner backs this, as is, he’s in trouble.”
But that’s unlikely to happen. As of 8:30 a.m., House conservatives believe the leadership is well aware of their unhappiness, and they expect Boehner to talk up the House’s next move: another volley to the Senate, which would extend the debt ceiling, reopen the government, and set up a budget conference, plus request conservative demands that go beyond the Senate’s outline.
“What they’ll come up with in the Senate will not get the support of most House Republicans,” predicts a House conservative strategist. “And thus, after a lot of hand-wringing, it’ll be DOA. Just like with BCA in 2011, the most important question is, what can pass the House? Everything else is subordinate to that. So, while the Senate is taking the lead right now, I expect the focus will soon shift back to the House, and back to the idea of doing a 6-week extension of the debt ceiling. While Obama and Reid won’t like it, they don’t want to go past Oct. 17, either. The politics of the debt ceiling are different from the shutdown. And so,
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3079011/posts
“Sen. Ted Cruz met with roughly 15 to 20 House Republicans for roughly two hours late Monday night at the Capitol Hill watering hole Tortilla Coast.
The group appeared to be talking strategy about how they should respond to a tentative Senate deal to reopen the government and raise the debt ceiling without addressing Obamacare in a substantive way, according to sources who witnessed the gathering. The Texas Republican senator and many of House Republicans in attendance had insisted on including amendments aimed at dismantling Obamacare in the continuing resolution that was intended to avert the current shutdown.
Sources said the House Republicans meeting in the basement of Tortilla Coast with Cruz were some of the most conservative in the House: Reps. Louie Gohmert of Texas, Steve King of Iowa, Jim Jordan of Ohio, Tom Cotton of Arkansas, Raúl Labrador of Idaho, Steve Southerland of Florida, Mark Meadows of North Carolina, and Justin Amash of Michigan.
The group is a collection of members who have often given leadership headaches in recent years by opposing both compromise measures as well as packages crafted by fellow Republicans. And, it seems, leadership unwittingly became aware of the meetup.
While the dinner meeting was held in a private basement room, the group was spotted by Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., who was dining with some other members, including Gregg Harper, R-Miss. McCarthy is a regular at the Capitol Hill watering hole, and a source said he seemed particularly interested in what the group was up to.”
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Hold firm, patriots. Don’t let the media Leftists and the Wall St. greed merchants stampede you into Reid’s “compromise.” He has called you jihadists and terrorists. In a better day, you would have challenged him to a duel to defend your honor.
I’m glad that we still have some Republicans with some backbone.
At the risk of being shot, skinned and hung out to dry by my fellow FReepers, there is a part of me that sez “let it go and see what happens”. Problem is decent people will get hurt along with the RATscum.
The GOP-e idiots still don't get it...we want them to FIGHT!!!!
I continue to pray for his safety, wisdom, stamina and confidence!---Stay the course, Ted!...We have your back!
Pretty much the last 5 years have been a “mushy piece of s—t.”
Blue Bill this POS and send it back to the Senate with a big “FU” on the front!
Stand firm Patriots! Your job is to represent the people! The people have spoken and we DO NOT WANT THIS POS - Obamacare!
Defund it, kill it, do whatever is necessary to end it - NOW!
No one wants to be seen as the folks who caused the dreaded default.
Only one problem with this strategary.....Oct 17th will come and there will be no default. It's a big huge facade.
Only Obozo at this point can cause a default by refusing to pay debt bond obligations. There is plenty of $$$$ to pay our debt obligation.
There will still be folks outta work, folks not getting paid, parks still closed....that sorta stuff, but default is a lie to scare Americans into accepting more and more out of control debt and runaway spending.
Obozo should be impeached on the grounds of deception alone!
Part of me agrees with you. We aren’t going to be able to stop Obamacare, but Obamacare is DOA in the real world. Make sure Obama and the Demscum own it, get what we can by playing hardball, and then watch the train wreck. Even low information voters will feel the very real pain. We just have to make sure WE don’t get the blame for the train wreck. Then take over in 2014 and kill the damn thing.
well said...might just be the right course..
Poll to freep:
Who is more to blame for the federal government shutdown?
Scroll down right side.
That is the part that amazes me.
Many of the people that will be feeling the pain of Obamacare are Democrats.
Does anyone think that these Democrats are going to take this screwing and vote back in the numbnuts who are screwing them?
I agree completely. I’d much rather have the Vitter amendment than the device tax repeal or one-year delay.
1-yr delay is stupid and politically counter-productive.
Let the SHEEPLE have all the Obamacare they voted for. Applied to EVERYONE.
Too late...the blame has been (wrongfully) placed on Ted Cruz and the Tea Party.
I recommend we follow the advice of Rahm Emanuel and "don't let a good crisis go to waste."
No more kicking the can down the road. Double down on the sequester "cuts" (reductions in the growth of spending).
I am wrong that the House already capitulated on the full defund and instead voted to just do the one year delay and eliminate the favorable Congressional subsidies?
(which is a natural part of negotiation here...not saying this out of frustration or anger, I just thought they already moved past that position in subsequent bills sent to the Senate).
The conservatives and liberals know this is a war on which the Constitution stands or falls. All others appear content to let the cards fall where they may as long as they can retain their power.
Defund it or don’t defund it. When it falls flat and people see it for what it is they won’t have any doubt whip in congress was against it
Delay is weird. It’s like sending someone to rehab whose plans are to come ot and go back into addiction
It is bizarre.
Bunch of babies working on the hill
Amen!
If the USA had had leaders in the 1700’s like those we have in the Senate now, we would stil be British subjects. Negotiation doesn’t mean giving the Dems everything they want!! I know the Media is killing us, but if we don’t stick to our principles, we may as well not exist. WAKE UP, AMERICA! We are circling the toilet bowl!
Obamacare can and must be stopped.
They’ll come for your savings if this sticks.
PS- if the Dems get everything they want, I would probably rather be a British subject. At this point, they are quickly overtaking us on the freedom thing. At least they still have private Doctors along with their Socialized medicine.
It's been relayed by certain RINO's. It's just dead on arrival.
I think the author underestimates the numbers of the Tea Party members in the House. IIRC, he says about 50. I think it's much higher.
It's great starting the day knowing all is not lost. I think Bohner deserves credit for not folding and understanding where the activist base of the party is.
This better be DOA in the House !!!
To answer your question, I think some of them will and they will probably blame Republicans and conservatives for it. The pathology with these people is really warped. Seattle is a great example, they will vote against their best interest when given the opportunity, at least 95% of the time.
I think they will. They'd rather be screwed than admit Dems are just a pile of feces.
Cyprus! The die has been cast. RINOs and liberals will argue over the percent to seize (tax) and both claim victory on the negotiated amount. They win, we lose.
Let's talk about this "dreaded default" and who it actually hurts.
It hurts the international bankers at the IMF because it exposes their wealth distributuion scheme that moves OUR wealth to turd world dictators (while they burnish their own porfolios)
It hurts the "too big to fail" domestic bankers who are in bed w/ the government and profit regardless of the stupid decisions they make.
It hurts the politicians that can no longer write a blank check to their cozy cronies.
It hurts the "masters of the universe" on Wall Street that leverage our labor and creativity to their own advantage even as the dispoil American productivity.
It hurts the boom town Wash DC that produces nothing but misery and bad debt.
Concerning the Full Faith & Credit of the US Government; I no longer have faith in them and I'm sick of floating them credit.
In short what I'm saying is that this so called crisis was created by politicians at our expense and its passed time that they start picking up their own trash.
I think you have a good point. The establishment does not want to make hard decisions. They want to keep pushing the tough decisions to the next generation when they are no longer in office.
If the debt limit is not raised, after paying interest on the bonds the govt has sold, the govt does not have enough money to do everything. Will obama direct Sect. lew to not pay social security, medicare, medicaid, military, or what? I think obama is such a flawed individual he will start by cutting social security payments, then we will see who has the strength to see this through.
Oh I agree. And I am 100% behind Cruz. Also, go ahead and shut it all down. And default. I am fine with that!
Prob won’t happen though. If it doesn’t, all is not lost. (1) Cruz has fired up the base, (2) Obamacare really is DOA in the real world, and (3) we cannot let the MSM pin Obamacare on us when it train wrecks. We’ll know they are trying to pull off (3) when they start talking about “the Affordable Care Act” passed with “bipartisan support” instead of “Obamacare.”
Yes
The GOP-e idiots still don’t get it...we want them to FIGHT!!!!
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You’re asking them to do something they are unwilling and incapable of doing. GOPe don’t ever play to win. They are appeasers and, in reality, share responsibility with their Democrat brethern for the mess this country is in today.
NRO saying that House counter-offer will have the Vitter Amendment, but only apply it to members of Congress and Cabinet members, but leave the subsidy for staff. IMO, the staff need to get hit. Once the staff are complaining to Congresscritters, that’s when Obamacare will die.
Is there a list of those 50 conservatives? I'd like to know if my congressman is numbered among them?
In Greece people woke up and discovered 10% of their savings were taken to pay for part of their debt. In the USA the idea is being floated every couple years that the govt should take your 401K funds and give you a bond.
IOW, it can happen!
Then, we truely will be serfs.
I think you have a good point. The establishment does not want to make hard decisions.
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Winding down the debt is going to spread lots of pain around. Nobody on the Hill wants to deal with this toxic problem or be seen as the source of any pain. They will always kick the can down the road — until they can’t. When the economy blows up, then maybe something will be done because there’s “cover” (i.e., things are dire and bad medicine will be more readily accepted) and there’s no other choice. Kicking the can is no longer an option.
If a fight is made, if communication of the fight is brought forth as Cruz and the House conservatives have done, then people finally get to learn just how bad the law is and how bad it will be for them, they will have something to look at that was an alternative. The longer the communication of the horrors of Bambicare is broadcast, the more they can campaign against it successfully.
The SCOTUS has already established that when they said the govt can make us buy products and services against are will. Now we are revolting! The left likes being a serf. They don't want personal responsibility for their life and their elites always think they will be the aristocracy.
We will win this war for our liberty, or the last light of freedom in the world will be gone.
Unfortunately, what they will do is monetize the debt. IOW, your savings will be worth 30% of what they once were.
“Does anyone think that these Democrats are going to take this screwing and vote back in the numbnuts who are screwing them?”
They quite simply do not think in logical terms. Every time I talk to a full die hard leftist, I walk away in a daze, just wondering how stupid they really are while at he same time being so self assured and arrogant. They really go whacko if you challenge them with easily proven facts. And they eagerly believe all the easily proven lies their own kind tell them. They live for today, yesterday has passed so who cares?, and tomorrow is not yet here so why worry about it? I could ramble on and on- - -
So yes, they will vote for the same people, probably in greater numbers.
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