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Feds: Tenn cost for reopening Smokies $60K per day
AP via WJHL ^ | October 14, 2013 | ERIK SCHELZIG

Posted on 10/15/2013 5:58:05 AM PDT by don-o

CLARKSVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - Gov. Bill Haslam says a deal to open the Great Smoky Mountains National Park parks in Tennessee for the weekend came too late for the state to send money to the federal government.

The price tag? $60,000 per day.

(Excerpt) Read more at wjhl.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: North Carolina; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: boondoggle; debt; govtshutdown; greatsmokymtns; parks; shutdown; waste
Would love to see a line item breakdown of the $60k number. Regardless, It's a number that Tennessee should pay and then sue to recover when this thing resolves. But, obviously we move slowly here.
1 posted on 10/15/2013 5:58:05 AM PDT by don-o
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To: don-o
Tell the Feds to stick it.

Time to get rid of Federal Parks.

2 posted on 10/15/2013 6:00:08 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: don-o

When this is over the states should demand that the national parks be returned to the states. The federal government has no business owning more than half of some states.


3 posted on 10/15/2013 6:01:48 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (If global warming exists I hope it is strong enough to reverse the Big Government snowball)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
$60,000 a day...wow..looks like they want to pay off the deficit by doing this...what a joke...if you could see this line item cost..we would See why our government is a joke...
4 posted on 10/15/2013 6:03:57 AM PDT by Youngman542012
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To: don-o

What a country. Now the states have to pay the government to open parks owned by the taxpayers who have already paid...and then have to pay fees to enter. After UT taxpayers kicked out millions to open Zion for 10 days, we went there yesterday. I asked the “ranger” if nobama would “let us in now”. The government drone didn’t think that was funny. In the park we met some Chinese tourists. One of them spoke English. I suggested to them that they not let nobama “push them around”. When he translated to his friends, they all laughed. LOL.


5 posted on 10/15/2013 6:04:33 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: don-o

The state should take it back and fund needed services through user fees or something.

I’ve got a state park passport tag on my MI. license plate.


6 posted on 10/15/2013 6:08:06 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Maybe we should sell off the National Parks—we have too many of them. Keep a few good ones but sell the rest off—or give them back to the states. I don’t use them and most Americans don’t. Only people who do grow weed on them.


7 posted on 10/15/2013 6:10:25 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: don-o
$60k/day to open it and $80k/day to close it?
8 posted on 10/15/2013 6:18:56 AM PDT by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

The feds would sell them to the Chinese before they would sell them to the states.


9 posted on 10/15/2013 6:20:14 AM PDT by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: don-o

What a great opportunity for the 2014 Congress to gift these federal lands to the states they’re in.

Never again will the people’s property be closed to the people.


10 posted on 10/15/2013 6:21:20 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Sacajaweau

Best comment yet. I continue to say the States need to take back what was there’s to begin with. They need to use Eminent Domain to take back the property which rightfully belongs to the States. There’s no justification for the Fed to be in the Parks business to begin with.


11 posted on 10/15/2013 6:22:04 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: don-o

Wow. Who knew that letting mountains lie, and bears sh*tting in the woods cost $60k/day.

No telling what the Grand Canyon or Meteor Crator cost to keep open. I’d be they are just a hair trigger from closing up /do I need it?


12 posted on 10/15/2013 6:23:34 AM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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To: Youngman542012

GSM has about 300 employees. 60K/300 = 200 per day...GS-9.9 through 11.3...that may be a little high, but there are other expenses too (electric, water, phones, internet, vehicles, etc.)


13 posted on 10/15/2013 6:26:15 AM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: don-o
This one is easy..

Call up the National Guard and seize the parks....Tell the Feds to "F" off Problem solved.

14 posted on 10/15/2013 6:31:50 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: don-o

I would guess it is not to hard to calculate.

$60, 000 x 365 = $21,900,000 the annual Smokies budget


15 posted on 10/15/2013 6:36:41 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: don-o

Eminent Domain taking citing the 10th??? Works for me.


16 posted on 10/15/2013 6:39:37 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Occupy the DC Mall - take back the monuments)
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To: i_robot73
No telling what the Grand Canyon or Meteor Crator cost to keep open

The Meteor Crater is privately owned.

17 posted on 10/15/2013 6:44:37 AM PDT by CPOSharky (Democrats must love the poor, they just keep making more and more of them.)
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To: don-o

All this is an example of FED “Blackmail” Pay to keep open a park that does NOT need any staff. I say shut down the white house and save a lot of $$$.


18 posted on 10/15/2013 6:44:57 AM PDT by EXCH54FE (Hurricane 416,Feisty Old Vet !!)
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To: CPOSharky
That didn't stop the Feds from seizing the WWII memorial.
19 posted on 10/15/2013 6:45:47 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: Portcall24
Eminent Domain is not available in this circumstance. The only thing available is the Feds willingly giving it up.

Remember, the original fight in drawing up the Constitution was States Rights vs Federal Powers.

Jefferson was right. Washington was wrong.

Soon, the Feds usurped the powers of the states. They now do it by monetary means.

The shutdown of National Parks and Monuments (FOR NO REASON) is a stunning example of abuse of Federal powers.

Time for the Feds to turn over some of the Federal Lands to the States. They were not intended to be held by the Federal Government. They were effectively "stolen" from the States.

20 posted on 10/15/2013 6:48:20 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: don-o

time to transfer federal lands back to the states, IMO!


21 posted on 10/15/2013 6:51:08 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: elpadre
time to transfer federal lands back to the states, IMO!

Pushing on that could be a great way to begin to reassert power of the states. I'm all in.

22 posted on 10/15/2013 6:55:16 AM PDT by don-o (Hit the FReepathon hard and fast! Nail this one for the Jimmer. Do it now!)
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To: rightwingextremist1776
That didn't stop the Feds from seizing the WWII memorial.

The Meteor Crater is privately owned and is on privately owned land. The nearest Fed property is I-40 a few miles north. I guess the feds could close the off ramp (/S).

23 posted on 10/15/2013 7:09:54 AM PDT by CPOSharky (Democrats must love the poor, they just keep making more and more of them.)
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To: don-o
Big mistake! Numbers are not feelings or emotions. They are subject to quantification and verification thru audit.

Where is the $60,000 per day going? How is it being spent? How are the disbursements supported?

24 posted on 10/15/2013 7:21:16 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: elpadre
Da rent's too damn high!

The national parks service seems to be a Tony Soprano enterprise.

25 posted on 10/15/2013 7:22:52 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: blackdog; bert

The math is in post 15.


26 posted on 10/15/2013 7:23:12 AM PDT by don-o (Hit the FReepathon hard and fast! Nail this one for the Jimmer. Do it now!)
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To: don-o

I asked for an accounting of the $22,000,000 for the park’s annual expenditures? I had an aunt who was an executive with the National Park Service. It’s quite the rouse, attracting all kinds of federal level grifters.


27 posted on 10/15/2013 7:27:10 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: don-o

Line one - $30K Jarrett’s wallet
Line two - $25K Stompy Feet’s wallet
Line three - $5K Nancy’s wallet
Line four - $2K Hillary’s wallet
Line five - $2K NSA
Line six - $999 Boehner’s wallet
Line severn - $1 Plug’s wallet


28 posted on 10/15/2013 7:30:18 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: don-o
Did you know the park service operates facilities in the Carribean? Politicals go there for "conferences".

I bet they are not closed right now and the towel boy has a limitless stock.

29 posted on 10/15/2013 7:33:29 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: don-o

Why should Tennessee send the feds any money. They should instead send them a bill.


30 posted on 10/15/2013 7:38:27 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: bert
$60, 000 x 365 = $21,900,000 the annual Smokies budget

That money belongs in Tennessee coffers, not Washington's...

31 posted on 10/15/2013 7:40:27 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: blackdog

https://www.facebook.com/pages/US-National-Park-Service-Office-of-International-Affairs/146676028717853?directed_target_id=0


32 posted on 10/15/2013 7:49:16 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: don-o
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andros,_Bahamas

Scroll down to the Legacy header.

33 posted on 10/15/2013 7:55:03 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: don-o
And Guam, Puerto Rico, and a few inaccessible islands around the Bahamas. They service them with sea planes and ferry. The National Parks Service actually has in it's forward plans to manage facilities around the world. At least only the nice places.

People just don't know?

34 posted on 10/15/2013 8:15:43 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: who knows what evil?; don-o

-——That money belongs in Tennessee coffers——

Well not exactly.....

The crest of the Smokies along which runs the Appalachian Trail, is the border between Tennessee and North Carolina. Then to complicate it further, a calculation of the acreage in each state would be required and pro rated to each state.

However since park head quarters an maintenance operations are on the Tennessee side, an administrative factor factor would need to be applied. Then I’m pretty sure the NC folks would raise the issue again of the road promised on their side that has been promised for ever but never built. It is also possible that since the park abuts the Cherokee Reservation, they might claim some of the acreage there.


35 posted on 10/15/2013 8:40:15 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: bert

A bit confusing...I thought Haslam was referring to the costs involved with the Tennessee portion of the park.


36 posted on 10/15/2013 8:52:19 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: who knows what evil?

I suppose he was : )


37 posted on 10/15/2013 8:59:24 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: Sacajaweau

Thanks. That is an excellent explanation. And the Feds will never willing give things up because of the reduction of power. They would rather bring the money to Washington, take their bite and send the rest back down stream.


38 posted on 10/15/2013 9:53:03 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: Sacajaweau

On a related subject is there any way that State & Local government can charge Federal agencies for services that they are currently providing and which they are not being paid?


39 posted on 10/15/2013 11:08:17 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: Portcall24

They have contracts just like anyone else.


40 posted on 10/15/2013 11:15:59 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: blackdog

if TN owned it they would set their own rent


41 posted on 10/15/2013 1:22:32 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: CPOSharky

Sorry, your facetious monitor seems to be broken :P


42 posted on 10/17/2013 9:05:31 AM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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