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Foodstamp Program Shutdown Imminent?
Zero Hedge ^ | October 15, 2013

Posted on 10/15/2013 11:14:21 AM PDT by Zakeet

When over the weekend, a Xerox "glitch" shut down the EBT system, better known as foodstamps, for nearly the entire day across 17 states leaving millions without "funding" to pay for food leading to dramatic examples of the basest human behavior possible, some of the more conspiratorial elements saw this merely as a dress rehearsal for what may be coming in the immediate future. While there was no basis to believe that is the case, a USDA (the currently shuttered agency that administers the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program) memo obtained by the Crossroads Urban Center in Utah carries in it a very disturbing warning for the 46+ million Americans currently on foodstamps.

To wit: "understanding the operational issues and constraints that States face, and in the interest of preserving maximum flexibility, we are directing States to hold their November issuance files and delay transmission to State electronic benefit transfer (EBT) vendors until further notice." In other words, as Fox13News summarizes, "States across the country are being told to stop the supplemental nutrition assistance program for the month of November, pending further notice."

The full memo first posted on the Crossroads Facebook page is shown below:

More on this dramatic development which, if implemented, would will result in significant unpredictable outcomes across the nation:

This is going to create a huge hardship for the people we serve here in our food pantry,” says Bill Tibbits who is the Associate Director at Crossroads Urban Center.

They posted a letter from the USDA on its Facebook page. It says in part, “in the interest of preserving maximum flexibility, we are directing states to hold their November issuance files and delay transmission to state electronic benefit transfer vendors until further notice.”

“What this means if there’s not a deal, if Congress doesn’t reach a deal to get federal government back up and running, in Utah about 100,000 families won’t get food stamp benefit,” says Tibbits.

In other words, tens of thousands of Utah families may not be able to feed their children come November.

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People out here are going to go without food,” says Loralee Smith whose been homeless since August and says the uncertainty is making her uneasy about where her next meal will come from. “I’m on food stamps, I don’t know if I’m going to get them, a lot of people are on food stamps and they don’t know if they’re going to get them.”

Others say if SNAP shuts down, they’ll find a way to feed themselves.

One hopes such "alternative" feeding arrangements will be peaceful, although in the most heavily armed nation in the world, and arguably the one where a massive portion of the population is now fully reliant on the welfare state for virtually every daily need, it is easy to see cutting off daily bread to tens of millions has a less than happy ending.

As the report notes, for people out on the streets like Richard Phillips, "It could impact us and it’s going to cause problems because you’re going to come to find out that people are going to steal and do what they have to do to survive."

Such a realization could come as a very unpleasant wake up call for the millions of other Americans who still live in their Ivory Towers, focusing on the daily gyrations of the S&P500, and largely oblivious of how the rest of America lives.

The full report on what may be the most catalytic event in the history of the US welfare state is presented below.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ebt; shutdown; snap; welfare
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... and you silly Freepers wondered why we needed 1.6 billion rounds of hollow point ammo!

1 posted on 10/15/2013 11:14:21 AM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

If I am reading that right it is effective today —


3 posted on 10/15/2013 11:21:19 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Zakeet
Santa was elected and the kids are finding out there ain't no santa.

Obama's 30% hardcore are of absolutely no use to him whatsoever at this point other than flash riots from their obamaphones, which are also due to be turned off sometime next year.

4 posted on 10/15/2013 11:21:23 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Zakeet

5 posted on 10/15/2013 11:21:43 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Zakeet

6 posted on 10/15/2013 11:24:05 AM PDT by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: Zakeet

Bluff.

More threats to use on spineless Republicans.

In a sad way, it would probably be better in the long term if they did stop EBT for a full month. Maybe a few liberals who got beat up and robbed might change their fantasy of the “virtuous and noble poor”. Particularly those virtuous folks of color. You know, the ones that aren’t doing the flash mobs and committing over 50% of gun murders.


7 posted on 10/15/2013 11:24:40 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Zakeet

Planned ‘false flag’ event. Mobilize Obama’s thug army. Not all on ebt are thugs or even obama supporters, but there are a lot who are, and those are the ones I am talking about.


8 posted on 10/15/2013 11:27:42 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Uncle Chip

November issuance. The card “refills” happen at the beginning of each month. No one is going to see anything until the first of November.

I’ve got a couple of in laws that I personally would like to see cut off tomorrow.

It’s not going to happen. This is more posturing and threats by the thugs in the WH. Bet on it.


9 posted on 10/15/2013 11:27:57 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
It's the Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) move, so that spineless GOPe will fold like the cheap napkins they are.
10 posted on 10/15/2013 11:28:07 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature ($1.84 - The price of a gallon of gas on Jan. 20th, 2009.)
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To: UCANSEE2

“Hey, let’s put water on it.....”


11 posted on 10/15/2013 11:28:36 AM PDT by cincinnati65
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To: F15Eagle

I would like to see EBT go dark.

Not out of spite, but to show Americans that the nanny-state always will fail them. If it wasn’t today, it will be even worse when no one accepts the massively printed FED dollars any longer.

It will also prove to most people they can live just fine without most of what the Federal Government does. The states and local communities can easily pick up necessary social-welfare functions and do it better, cheaper, and with more respect.


12 posted on 10/15/2013 11:28:41 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Bluff.

More threats to use on spineless Republicans.


I strongly believe you are correct. Part of me hopes you are, and part of me would like to see just how much impact this really has if it were to happen.


13 posted on 10/15/2013 11:29:14 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: ChildOfThe60s

I wish this were a parallel universe.


14 posted on 10/15/2013 11:30:37 AM PDT by Antihero101607
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To: PGR88

I would like to see EBT go dark, too. I also want the FSA to burn down every store that accepted the damned things. Maybe if enough companies learn the hard way that catering to looters and the lowest common denominator to get more of our money, they might be reluctant to accept EBT in the future.


16 posted on 10/15/2013 11:34:08 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: PGR88
"I would like to see EBT go dark. Not out of spite, but to show Americans that the nanny-state always will fail them."

During the EBT outage this weekend, I was tweeting out to all the complainers, "Hey, this is the government you want to put in charge of your healthcare."

Maybe, I got someone to actually think for a change.

17 posted on 10/15/2013 11:34:40 AM PDT by cincinnati65
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To: Zakeet
Yup. And next time around when some pouty president throws a tantrum we'll get memo's saying to stop supplying insulin and blood pressure meds. Government is SO very reliable.

/s

18 posted on 10/15/2013 11:34:51 AM PDT by JustSurrounded
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To: Zakeet

The left has always held the delusion that revolutions come from the lower classes. They don’t. The lower classes want to “get by”, not change the system, whatever it is. They don’t have the resources to do otherwise.

If the rich want to have revolutionary change, they buy it from politicians. So no revolution there, either.

The truth of the matter is that real revolutions come from the middle classes. They number enough, and they have the resources, to challenge government.

But when does a revolution happen?

Oddly enough, it is a simple ratio. What a government promises, vs. what it delivers. If a government promises too much, and does not deliver, it is inefficient, and will likely fail and be replaced.


19 posted on 10/15/2013 11:35:17 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Welfare is the new euphemism for Eugenics.)
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To: Zakeet

Is their a difference between SNAP and EBT?


20 posted on 10/15/2013 11:38:12 AM PDT by Palio di Siena (Obama loves the USA like OJ loved Nicole)
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To: Zakeet

Riots, people dying, exactly what obama wants.


21 posted on 10/15/2013 11:38:59 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Zakeet

Good.


22 posted on 10/15/2013 11:39:37 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: PGR88
So, where do people who can't figure out how to feed themselves tend to live? (Could it correspond to the places where people who vote for Democrats tend to live?)


23 posted on 10/15/2013 11:40:35 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Uncle Chip

That’s what I’m thinking on a reread.So the reports are not going in for Nov.effective now.Even if they come up with the money it will take awhile to get the system back up.Better stock up now folks.


24 posted on 10/15/2013 11:40:41 AM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: UCANSEE2

Which film is that and is that Jesse Eisenberg?


25 posted on 10/15/2013 11:44:14 AM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: cincinnati65
“Hey, let’s put water on it.....”

But...Brawndo has electrolytes.

26 posted on 10/15/2013 11:48:15 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (So Obama "inherited" a mess? Firemen "inherit" messes too. Ever see one put gasoline on it?)
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To: Palio di Siena

SNAP is Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program or food stamps.

EBT is Electronic Bank Transfer and could be a bank card, debit card, or welfare card. EBT is how food stamps stopped being stamps.

The problem with EBT welfare, apart from normalizing or desensitizing it, is that money just drops into the account regularly without people having to maintain an address, landline, or other aspect of a stable normal life. It also makes fraud easier.


27 posted on 10/15/2013 11:48:42 AM PDT by No.6 (www.michigansuibukan.com)
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you know, along the lines of the reason for the popularity of duck dynasty, because people are starved for a show that doesn’t push, anti Americanism, homosexuality and the agenda of the non Christians in hollywood ....
I bet if someone opened up a store that had a huge sign that says they do not accept, ebt, I bet that people would flock to that store, and drive out of their way to do business there.


28 posted on 10/15/2013 11:49:21 AM PDT by willywill
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To: Zakeet

Shutdown of the foodstamp program will affect me and mine as much as the federal govt. shutdown has: Not At All.
Who cares? Let it burn.


29 posted on 10/15/2013 11:50:23 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: No.6

Actually that is....Electronic Benefit Transfer.


30 posted on 10/15/2013 11:53:01 AM PDT by sheana
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To: No.6
The problem with EBT welfare, apart from normalizing or desensitizing it, is that money just drops into the account regularly without people having to maintain an address, landline, or other aspect of a stable normal life. It also makes fraud easier.

Amazing how that works.

A person can have HUD subsidized residence as well as a half dozen homeless personnas and EBT cards for all of them.

31 posted on 10/15/2013 11:56:28 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Sooth2222

The left always like to point out all of the Red States where people get so much welfare.

Never stopping to think of all of those states where there exists heavily blue cites where almost all of it goes.


32 posted on 10/15/2013 12:12:21 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Antihero101607
I wish this were a parallel universe.

It is.

33 posted on 10/15/2013 12:14:11 PM PDT by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: Zakeet

Why is it that whenever something is declared immenent, it never happens.


34 posted on 10/15/2013 12:21:50 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy
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To: Zakeet

“EBT card...it’s everywhere you want to be”


35 posted on 10/15/2013 12:22:05 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Sooth2222

Cities. Easy enough to understand.


36 posted on 10/15/2013 12:31:15 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: No.6
EBT is Electronic Benefits Transfer.

money just drops into the account regularly without people having to maintain an address, landline, or other aspect of a stable normal life.

My state has six-month recertifications. If the individual doesn't show up and complete the form and/or interview, benefits stop the first of the next month.

37 posted on 10/15/2013 12:36:22 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: blackdog
THAT was something I wanted to know ... how long those phones were good for.

ALSO ... are they free LD, too ?

38 posted on 10/15/2013 12:39:19 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Zakeet

Each card should give out 5% less each month until empty,, imho


39 posted on 10/15/2013 1:10:06 PM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (>> F U B O << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if he's white?")
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To: Zakeet

BTW when the program finally shuts down send them to Michelle’s garden.

Better they get wonderful veggies than they go to the squirrels.

Well maybe —


40 posted on 10/15/2013 1:18:38 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Zakeet

Obama and his filthy democrats want blood to flow onto the ground.... and he will get what he wants.


41 posted on 10/15/2013 1:32:43 PM PDT by Gator113 (Ted Cruz is settled law.)
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To: txhurl

The film is Idiocracy: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/

The film perfectly describes where we are heading as a nation. Mike Judge, who also wrote Office Space and created Beavis and Butthead, is a genius and hit the nail on the head with this movie.

If you have never seen it, rent it, buy it, or search for it to see when it comes on TV.

And it is not Jesse, it’s some kid named Brendan Hill as the Secretary of Energy: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0384085/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t36


42 posted on 10/15/2013 1:44:59 PM PDT by roostercashews (Having a gun doesn't make you safer, but knowing how to use one does.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

The state of Mississippi issues Nov. bet today. If this is real we will know by tonight.


43 posted on 10/15/2013 2:05:07 PM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: houeto

Keep us posted, please ;)


44 posted on 10/15/2013 3:13:11 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: houeto
The state of Mississippi issues Nov. bet today. If this is real we will know by tonight.

Keep us posted if you are tracking that.

45 posted on 10/15/2013 4:34:16 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: F15Eagle

Yes Sir!


46 posted on 10/15/2013 5:12:48 PM PDT by 444Flyer (How long O LORD?)
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To: Zakeet

bammy threatening/planning to cut off peoples food supply,,,use food as a weapon. Anyone surprised?


47 posted on 10/15/2013 7:50:20 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: fatima

Peace be unto you in Philly.

It could get ugly there.


48 posted on 10/15/2013 7:56:40 PM PDT by miserare (Fire Eric Holder!)
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To: miserare

((((Hugs))))


49 posted on 10/16/2013 3:24:10 AM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: txhurl

It’s the movie IDIOCRACY.

If you haven’t seen it, you’re missing out on some fun. And a view of where we seem to be headed.


50 posted on 10/16/2013 9:53:41 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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