Skip to comments.There's always some "cliff" that we just can't go over! It's time to go over all of them!!
Posted on 10/15/2013 11:16:35 AM PDT by cotton1706
We had the Tarp deal, then the stimulus, then Dodd-Frank. All supposed emergencies.
Then when the republicans took over the House we had the FY 2011 continuing resolution/shutdown threat.
Then we had the August 2011 debt ceiling/FY 2012 continuing resolution shutdown/default threat
Then we had the 2012/2013 Fiscal Cliff threat
Then we had the Sequester threat
Then we had the Shutdown threat
Now we have the Default threat again, tied into the Shutdown threat.
End of the world didn't happen after the Sequester, it didn't happen after the Shutdown, and it won't after the supposed Default.
Let's go over the cliff and take away all of the democrat's scare tactics! NO MORE EMERGENCIES! NO MORE ARBITRARY DEADLINES! NO MORE HOLIDAY BUNDLES!
DELIBERATIVE LEGISLATION OR NOTHING!!
I think Obama and his minions like to stir up alleged crises.
Going all the way back to Porkulus in Feb 2009, every new bill or regulation needs to happen right now, in order to cure some alleged crisis.
There are a whole lot of folks who’ve grown dependent on the Fed handouts. To stop it would be disruptive; but we’re going to have a stoppage sometime, so let’s get it over with.
This is an episode I wish South Park would do:
FISCAL CLIFF DIVING
literally having bernanke, obama and reid and pelosi in bungy cords screaming as they are pushed off the fiscal cliff. Maybe they survive, maybe they get smashed up, maybe a shark jumps up and rips half their body off.
Have a literal debt ceiling and show congress people walking around hunched over , then crawling over money being trucked in from us, as they near the debt celing. only thing that will have a chance is the fiscal cliff divers.
Nancy could be interviewed after and the reporter could say how bad her face looks, when nothing actually happened to it.
oh yeah and as the congress folks climb over our money andthey get closer to the debt ceiling, have them screaming “IT’S NOT ENOUGH!” IT’S JUST NOT ENOUGH! WE NEED MORE! WE HAVE TO BRING OUR OWN TOWELS TO OUR PRIVATE GYM!!! WE HAVE NO CADDIES AT CAMP DAVID!
They have pretty much proven their feckless fiscal irresponsibility time and again: These guys can’t live within a budget, as we all do.
Time for another constitutional convention? Or should we wait until there’s shooting.
I'm not sure why the Republicans play along with this, but most of them do.
It really is time to stop renewing the credit card for these tax and spend liberal socialist! Force them to live within the money that is collected, NO MORE! They had better take this government off auto-pilot and start passing budgets or stop passing CR’s until the liberal socialist operate this government under a spending budget required by the US Constitution!
The democrats are probably amazed that we’ve held out this long. We usually fold with the first pounding. If their house of cards falls, they will be even more apoplectic that we are now.
No debt ceiling increase means a balanced budget and spending cuts.
“If the debt limit is not raised, America will discover the tax payers of the United States have been propping up most of the socialist European Countries through the IMF, feeding 98% of Africa, and on and on it goes. This is why the liberal socialist are trying to scare the hell out of Americans with the lie: we will default if the debt limit is not raised!”
Then, throw in all of the faux non profits ran and controlled by liberals to line the pockets of those in charge. We are talking billions of $’s here. Look at the money raked in by NPR just in time to beat the sequester.
Then throw in all of the bankrupt cities who are staying afloat due to federal government grants not using budget cuts to stay afloat.
The reality of a real debt limit:
The Debt Ceiling is the Law of the Land
redstate.com ^ | 10/6/13 | Daniel Horowitz
Posted on Monday, October 07, 2013 6:07:28 PM by cotton1706
Over the past few weeks, Democrats have indicated that they have no intention of negotiating over Obamacare, opting instead to shut down the government. They are justifying their obstinacy by asserting that Obamacare is the law of the land. Well, if that is the game they want to play, we should return the favor with the debt ceiling. The debt ceiling, pursuant to the Second Liberty Bond Act of 1917, is the law of the land. And it has been so for far longer than Obamacare.
Throughout this debate over funding Obamacare in the budget bill, House GOP leaders have stressed how the debt ceiling was the more appropriate means of fighting Obamacare. After all, it was the next fight. But as if on cue, some Republicans are already using the same Democrat talking points about the risk of default.
We are going to hear this erroneous talking point propagated by both parties over the next few weeks, so lets put the myth to rest. The only way we default on the debt is if we fail to pay the interest on the public debt. According to the updated budget projection from the CBO, interest on the debt will be roughly $237 billion for 2014. Thanks to the short-term revenue benefits of the fiscal cliff and Obamacare tax hikes, the federal government is expected to rake in a record $3.042 trillion from the private economy this year.
Lets engage in a simple math exercise. $3.042 trillion $237 billion = $2.805 trillion. As long as the Treasury pays the first $237 billion in revenue to the shareholders of our debt, there will be no default, and we will have $2.805 trillion left to spend. Again, default is taken off the table. Discussion over.
What do you do with the remaining funds? You start funding core functions of government and those programs that people are already dependent on.
Social Security (retirement and disability) $848 billion
Medicare $505 billion
Medicaid $298 billion
Defense $582 billion
Veterans $83 billion
Those expenditures account for roughly $2.3 trillion. The remaining half trillion can be prioritized as needed for other functions related to homeland security, national parks, or any other limited function.
Hence, the debt ceiling is a built-in balanced budget mechanism. If Democrats want to fund other functions of government, they need to commit to a balanced budget. If they want to fund the HHS and the IRS, they need to get rid of Obamacare. If they want to fund the EPA, they need to get rid of the war on coal.
The power of the purse manifest in the House of Representatives, in conjunction with the debt ceiling law, reflects democracy at work, especially with divided government. Its time we stop peddling the myth of default, and start using our leverage to restore constitutional government and bring relief to those who are losing jobs and suffering from the high cost of living engendered by the harmful activities of the unconstitutional aspects of government.
In fact, Obama wants to usurp the power of Congress, refusing to negotiate with Congress and is demanding unlimited spending power that the US Constitution provides all spending power solely in the US House of Representatives!
Now Sen. Harry Reid is trying to pass a spending bill to force the House to go along with it, but, all spending bills MUST originate in the US House of Representatives! The liberal socialist are attempting to dictate to Congress the amount of money Obama wants to spend, the Constitution be damned!