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Posted on 10/15/2013 5:14:58 PM PDT by JSDude1
----"Plan B" and fiscal cliff vote, redux. Having hammered out a deal to shoot back to the Senate tonight -- with most Republicans reportedly on board -- House GOP leadership has been forced to delay or cancel those votes after support among conservatives collapsed in the early evening hours. The rules committee meeting, which would have formally drawn up the bill and advanced it to the full house, has been postponed indefinitely. The reason is simple. They don't have the votes:
What happened? The counter-offer's broad outline, which I've been following all day, seemed to be on track. Then the medical device tax delay was stripped out, and the "full Vitter Amendment" (no special treatment under Obamacare for Congress, staffers, and White House officials) was inserted in -- both at the behest of the Tea Party faction. You read that right: The House's most ardent conservatives decided they were opposed to stalling or repealing the tax as part of this deal, for tactical reasons. I theoretically sympathize with those reasons. The delay would look like another favor to big business rather than the little guy (which works against the GOP's "fairness" messaging on the mandate tax), it would risk disengaging the medical device industry as a zealous repeal coalition partner, and it would take the issue off the table as a Democrat-dividing maneuver for future negotiations. All that said, since when are conservatives against getting rid of job-killing, innovation-impeding tax increases? A wrong-headed choice, in my estimation. But that's moot now anyway. In spite of those accommodations from leadership and a relatively unified spirit coming out of this morning's meeting, enough members apparently decided that the deal wasn't good enough to merit their support. It seems likely that late-breaking opposition from Heritage Action and FreedomWorks contributed to the whip-count...
(Excerpt) Read more at townhall.com ...
UPDATE II - Intriguing, given the source:
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How hard is this to figure out?! Write, call do whatever to make sure that your voice is heard, because if not they'll CAVE and take whatever McConnell-Reid give them!!
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I like your idea, but the totalitarian bastards in the White House won’t go along with it.
This is AWESOME. Boehner and ROVE and CORNYN wanted to cave but the TEA PARTY MILLIONS stopped that madness. SHUT IT DOWN UNTIL THEY NEGOTIATE. that is the “union” way. We are a union of 40 million and we are THE TEA PARTY!! ON STRIKE!!
The Senate will decide this tomorrow. Mitch McConnel has already conceded to Harry Reid. The Constitution will be ignored.
Why?
great. i pray the conservatves can hold the line today. then we can work on tommorrow.
Rove was on Greta forcefully proclaiming, “we can’t default!”
I am betting Mitch Mconnell will NOT run for reelection...he knows he will get creamed at the voting booth...and will drop out at last moment.
the people of Kentucky will not return him to Washington, he is a disaster.
Harry Reid is a total embarrassment to the Country..hope his wife calls him to return home to take care of her or their cat or what ever..but we need to get rid of most of the Senate..
Shepard Smith breathlessly reporting on FNC that they’re back in negotiations again...”deal may be hours away”.
Has anyone noticed old Shep must have got demoted to being the evening headlines girl?
Love it.
Yes... we will.
We have NO OTHER OPTION, other than a RAT.
Having hammered out a deal to shoot back to the Senate tonight -- with most Republicans reportedly on board... Then the medical device tax delay was stripped out, and the "full Vitter Amendment" (no special treatment under Obamacare for Congress, staffers, and White House officials) was inserted in... opposed to stalling or repealing the tax as part of this deal... The delay would look like another favor to big business rather than the little guy... would take the issue off the table as a Democrat-dividing maneuver for future negotiations...Zero would and will veto anything, at all, that isn't 100 percent what he wants. But he will instead not get anything, and if he spends money without the Congress' (specifically, the House), he'll be engaged in (additional) impeachable offenses.
How did Greta react to that assertion? I just will not put FNC on our TV any longer.
It’s on days like this in particular that I appreciate my job as a fishing guide. Because there’s nothing like being on a gorgeous river in the Mountain West to remind you that no matter how much our politicians screw things up, this is and will remain the greatest nation on earth.
Shut ‘er down baby! We’re up damn near 30% this year on our investments . . . I’m more than willing to take some losses for the sake of our country!
Shut ‘er down!!!
Hahaha!!! Evening headlines girl!!! ROFLMAO
We must surrender or the Brie and Chablis crowd will hate us.
Pray America is Waking Up
DELAY the ObamaCare Individual Mandate
NOTHING ELSE!
If you're going to shut down the government, and breach the debt limit, you DAMN WELL better be holding out for something the PEOPLE want!!! You can do well in politics fighting for things the PEOPLE WANT!
There is NO WAY to argue against this.. even Jon Stewart understands it. It's simply NOT FAIR to give employers a 1 year delay and NOT give individuals a 1 year delay.
NO WAY you can say, "we CAN'T change the law"... when, it's ALREADY been done... for BUSINESS.
THIS, is a winner... hold to it, let the chips fall where they may.
Shutdown does not appear to shut down anything but the parks.
Certainly does not shut down the bs.
What is wrong with default? As opposed to giving away newly printed cash we are not allowed to print today.
At some point, the balloon pops.
And, yes... I've said this to his people.. directly.
By not passing a House bill Boehner has given Mitch a chance to be a hero and save his reelection, and the country.
Hard to picture him that way but I can’t believe Boehner just sandbagged him.
The Conservatives did NOT balk... they DID vote. They voted for a Balanced Budget. GREAT for them! Of course, rather than using their fingers to vote (pressing a button) they chose to vote with their Feet!
I wasn’t aware the senate could pass anything without the house approving it THEY HAVE THE PURSE!! Am I missing something here!
We're not going to default ya freakin' toad.
I love the new FNC evening line-up, and couldnt be happier to see Stupid Smith doing nothing on a regular basis. His random appearance tonight was akin to coming upon a hemorrhoid while taking a shower.
ALL THE WAY, and watch them turn on their little Undocumented Imposter.
Smash the left!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
20 House RINOs will join the Dems to pass anything Harry Reid wants.
Perhaps... well... they always have.
I don’t know. I try not to watch rove, and I was afraid he would drag out his whiteboard to demonstrate why the Tea Party is wrong, so I changed the channel.
I’m with you that’s what I thought too..How is it that the senate can do this without the house? Please explain.
The TEA Party lives rent free in the spacious vacuum of the Klown’s pea brain. The 2 year old needs a spankin. He’s gettin whopped like a mule.
Me too. As soon as we stop the printing presses ==go to gold baby.Its the push of a button.
great argument
Rove regurgitating the Dim mantra. I wouldn't doubt that he repeats his Dim talking points in his sleep.
Thank GOD for Ted Cruz, Louie Gohmert, Mike Lee, et al!! They stand between us and tyrany!
...and my governor of Texas.
Ah 20 house Rinos to vote with all the dems to pass whatever the senate comes up with...hmmm
Make them eat it and see how their reelection campaigns go next year. The stakes are pretty high, but no doubt they will cave. Ironic thing is they may lose their seats either way. Either libs or tea party will vote them out.
just read that the pod people have taken over the soul of Issa— like a zombie coming for your children.
Dare the phoney Demoncrats! Call their bluff and nail then on failures. Failure to negotiate, failure to open the government, failure on spending, etc.
The way to replace the senate is to walk out, saying the republic is lost. It will give quick and substantial momentum to a states rights movement, which can save the constitution. We shouldn’t expect the people who shredded the constitution to restore it. DC will starve. We can start over.
You are so right if the Constitution still means anything, which is what I emailed to the Speaker a while ago.
There will be NO default on government debt backed by interest bearing instruments. There is more than enough tax revenue to cover those payments. The only way a default could happen on those debt payments is if the Treasury IGNORED/REFUSED to pay them. Now on obligations/promises made by the government not backed by any of those previously mentioned ‘instruments’ there can’t be any ‘default’ in the financial sense, only broken promises. Promises/obligations which mathematically were/are impossible to keep over time anyway. Better to face now the reality and the economic pain that must come rather than MUCH greater pain later.
Was he parroting the dem propaganda or actually explaining that the line from dems is BS?
I assume the former....
If Boehner has (or uses what he has left) then ALL he has to do is pass a Debt Limit increase: then you’ll (or he’ll) have used OBAMA’S FEAR back on him! It’s perfect.
“Union” is a TOTALLY wrong word to use here on this Conservative website.. United (together) is, I think, a much better way to describe it.
Don’t count on Boehner. The are rumblings that he is waving the white flag (again) and will allow a floor vote of a Senate bill.
Ok you are right. WE ARE UNITED> ISSA was a plant . We must howl like hell.No mercy.
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