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NH Store Clerk: I Just Wanted To Go Home To My Family, Fired For Self-Defense
michaelgraham.com ^ | 10/16/13 | Michael Graham

Posted on 10/16/2013 6:02:14 AM PDT by raccoonradio

Bear Cothran works–or rather, worked–at a Shell station in Nashua, NH. Over the weekend, in the wee hours of the morning, a large guy with a knife entered the store, demanded money and, according to Cothran, threatened to kill him if he didn’t cooperate.

Cothran is a lawful New Hampshire gun owner, he had his gun on him, so he drew the gun and the robber left post-haste. Yay, the good guys win!

Uh…no.

At 11:20 [Monday] morning, Bear received a phone call from his boss, informing him that, in spite of his status as a 10-year employee in good standing and both the store and district managers going to bat for him, he was being terminated. Nouria Energy, the franchise owner of the store (as well as the majority of the other Shell stations in the southern NH area), has a policy prohibiting employees from carrying weapons while on the clock. Bear was let go without any manner of severance for violating this policy.

Boo, the “your guns scare us!” crowd wins.

For his part, Bear seems to have the right perspective:

“I have a fiancee who I love very much, step-children I love, our first grandchild is due in December. Given the situation, and the way the man who tried to rob me was acting, I truly believe if I didn’t defend myself I wasn’t going to be coming home to see my family,” said Cothran.

“I can find another job, one way or another. I may be out of employment for months, but I’d do it again in a heartbeat. Nobody’s hurt, everybody gets to go home, that’s what matters to me,” Cothran said.

The store has the right to set policy. The store has the right to enforce that policy. And the store also has the right to overlook/temporarily suspend/change its policy.

I’ll say this: If I’m a robber with a knife, I’m headed to that Shell station. Management has done the hardest part of my job for me.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; gunfreezone; nashua; robbery; secondamendment
"Bear"

Bear with a gun

1 posted on 10/16/2013 6:02:14 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

I’d sue.And sue...and sue...and sue again.


2 posted on 10/16/2013 6:03:54 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: raccoonradio; Andonius_99; Andy'smom; Antique Gal; Big Guy and Rusty 99; bitt; Barset; ...

Shannon Cothran pulled his .380 Ruger handgun on a man attempting to rob the Nashua gas station where he worked. The alleged robber fled and Cothran lost his job.

Nashua Telegraph:

NASHUA – When Shannon “Bear” Cothran was threatened by a knife-wielding robber on Monday morning, he didn’t think twice about what to do. Cothran, who was working after midnight at the Shell gas station (on Main St.) in Nashua, pulled out his Ruger LCP .380 handgun. The robber turned and walked out the door, and Cothran called the police, bringing a swift end to the robbery attempt.

Cothran believes his decision to carry a firearm might have saved his life Monday morning. But the owners of the gas station took a different view.

Cothran says he was fired only a few hours later for violating a company policy that forbids store clerks from carrying guns.

Now out of a job, Cothran said he feels the company policy is irresponsible. But with a grandson on the way, he stands by his decision to carry a firearm for protection.

More at link above. Howie Carr list ping

3 posted on 10/16/2013 6:05:58 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: Gay State Conservative

Sue for ownership of the gas station.
Fire the boss.
Sell the business.
Head south.
Live well.


4 posted on 10/16/2013 6:06:38 AM PDT by Texas resident (Watch the other hand.)
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To: raccoonradio

Bummer. Those jobs don’t pay that much to begin with.


5 posted on 10/16/2013 6:08:21 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: raccoonradio
Nouria Energy, the franchise owner of the store (as well as the majority of the other Shell stations in the southern NH area), has a policy prohibiting employees from carrying weapons while on the clock.

Idiots. They just mounted a big neon sign on their store that say "Rob me! Nobody will stop you!"

6 posted on 10/16/2013 6:09:57 AM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: raccoonradio

The best explanation is that SHELL was in on the heist.

Are there others? How many?


7 posted on 10/16/2013 6:10:18 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: raccoonradio

A smart private business owner should seek this man out and hire him on the spot.


8 posted on 10/16/2013 6:10:45 AM PDT by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don't need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: raccoonradio

My first thought: sue, sue the pants off ‘em.
Second thought: move on gladly.
Third thought: maybe do both.

These days, employers can’t force you to leave your civil rights at the threshold, unless they’re your 2A rights and some of your 1A’s. So he probably has a case, but why would he want to stay with that job?


9 posted on 10/16/2013 6:11:25 AM PDT by HomeAtLast (The original Tea Party entailed a willingness to do without some tea.)
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To: raccoonradio
More from the Nashua Telegraph article:
Nashua police are still searching for the man involved in the Monday morning robbery. The suspect was caught on surveillance video entering the gas station around 3 a.m.

Police confirmed that the man approached the clerk and brandished a knife, but fled moments later when the clerk produced a firearm.

Cothran, 29, said he had just finished helping another customer when the would-be robber entered the store, walked behind the counter and threatened his life.

“He had the knife cocked back. It looked like he was going to stab me,” Cothran said. “I took several steps back, produced my sidearm, and informed him it was a bad idea and he didn’t want to do it, and he left.”

Nashua police are asking the public for help identifying the man, who was described as a white or Hispanic male, between 6 feet and 6 feet, 2 inches tall, with a medium build. Police are circulating an image of the suspect. They also recovered a piece of evidence – a black-and-gray Coleman jacket with a red collar, which the suspect discarded while he was running from the scene.
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Nashua police Lt. Denis Linehan said there are pros and cons when employees who might be the victims of crime choose to arm themselves. If a robber is also carrying a firearm, the situation can potentially escalate into a shooting. In the case of Monday morning’s robbery, Linehan said it appears the clerk took appropriate action when he was threatened. He said police encourage anyone who carries a firearm to undergo safety training.

“The first thing that we want to make sure is that people are safe,” he said. “In this situation, the clerk was presented with a deadly weapon. He was in close proximity to the suspect when the deadly weapon was displayed to him. The clerk, from the information I have, took the appropriate action in terms of how he felt threatened, in presenting the firearm.”

10 posted on 10/16/2013 6:12:10 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio
I support the right to arm Bears.

11 posted on 10/16/2013 6:12:23 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: workerbee

Proud to be a GUN FREE ZONE. Robbers welcome!


12 posted on 10/16/2013 6:14:19 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: HomeAtLast
So he probably has a case, but why would he want to stay with that job?

As others have said for other cases, it's better to be fired by one than carried by six.

13 posted on 10/16/2013 6:15:01 AM PDT by Lonely Bull
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To: raccoonradio

So the new stick up line is-—— “Hand over all the money or I will get you fired”..


14 posted on 10/16/2013 6:15:26 AM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: raccoonradio

from comments to the MichaelGraham.com article:

>>(link to pic) This is the building where Shell Oil executives work. It has cardkeyed entrances and on-site security personnel. If only the Executives at Shell Oil cared this much about the safety and well being of the people selling their products at 24-hour gas stations.

>>lets see how many times that place gets robbed now....

>>Don’t get angry, get involved. Email Nouria Energy and tell them they no longer have your business. http://www.nouriaenergy.com/contact-us.html


15 posted on 10/16/2013 6:21:07 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

Just wondering....why if it happened that early in the AM did he tell anyone?


16 posted on 10/16/2013 6:23:22 AM PDT by Vermont Lt ( 1-800-318-2596, Mr President.)
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To: raccoonradio

Only cops get to go home to their families.

The proles can die/leftist think


17 posted on 10/16/2013 6:23:31 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: HomeAtLast
These days, employers can’t force you to leave your civil rights at the threshold, unless they’re your 2A rights and some of your 1A’s. So he probably has a case, but why would he want to stay with that job?

Under New Hampshire law employers can fire you for any reason and without notice so he wouldn't have grounds for a suit. But he's alive and that's the important part. Finding another job as a convenience store clerk probably won't be that hard, but I suggest he read the policy manual very carefully before accepting it.

18 posted on 10/16/2013 6:24:01 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Vermont Lt

On video?????


19 posted on 10/16/2013 6:24:54 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 11th Commandment

Yes, so true!


20 posted on 10/16/2013 6:26:10 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: DoodleDawg

Screw the policy manual. If you work doing a job where your life may be threatened, you should carry. Period.

You can always get another job but not another life.


21 posted on 10/16/2013 6:26:29 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: HomeAtLast

The State cannot tell you that you are able to carry.

A private employer is well within his rights to tell you not to bring guns to work. In fact, the owner’s insurance company probably voids any thefts or damages if the employee pulls out a gun and shoots someone.

I know it sounds bad, but it is there to protect the employees and customers. Having worked at a bank where two people were shot dead in the 80’s, I can tell you that it is better to just hand over the money and be done with it.

If this is your home, the story is different.

I have to say that I probably wouldn’t have fired this guy, but I certainly would have suspended him.


22 posted on 10/16/2013 6:26:34 AM PDT by Vermont Lt ( 1-800-318-2596, Mr President.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

But the owner does not come in and review the video every day.

The guy did what he thought was right. But he must not be all that bright. I know that carrying was not allowed at any place I’ve ever worked. And I have worked around a lot more money than this guy had in his convenience store.


23 posted on 10/16/2013 6:28:29 AM PDT by Vermont Lt ( 1-800-318-2596, Mr President.)
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To: Vermont Lt

May have been company policy to report incidents—also prob surveillance video was running.

Ooh, as a matter of fact—there was.

http://www.wmur.com/news/nh-news/clerk-fired-after-pulling-gun-on-wouldbe-robber/-/9857858/22454840/-/154utkdz/-/index.html


24 posted on 10/16/2013 6:29:05 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: DoodleDawg

And if you are fired with cause, NH is horrible at unemployment cases. This guy is out on the street. Period.


25 posted on 10/16/2013 6:29:30 AM PDT by Vermont Lt ( 1-800-318-2596, Mr President.)
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To: raccoonradio
NH Store Clerk: “I Just Wanted To Go Home To My Family,”

Wow! He could be a cop!

26 posted on 10/16/2013 6:29:30 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: raccoonradio

..though Ch 9/WMUR’s report only shows a still from that video. “Bear” was his boss and dist. manager did fight for him to keep his job but it was a corporate decision


27 posted on 10/16/2013 6:33:18 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: Red in Blue PA
You can always get another job but not another life.

I agree 100%. He broke their policy and got fired for it. It may not be fair but the important thing is that he likely saved himself from death or injury in doing so. He's going to be around to hold that grandchild he's expecting. No job is worth missing out on that.

28 posted on 10/16/2013 6:33:33 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: raccoonradio

Bear SAID his boss, that should say


29 posted on 10/16/2013 6:33:41 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: Vermont Lt

“A private employer is well within his rights to tell you not to bring guns to work.”

Oh, I quite agree. Nevertheless, ultimately some judge decides, or some convocation of lawyers agree to settle.

So he has a case.


30 posted on 10/16/2013 6:36:59 AM PDT by HomeAtLast (The original Tea Party entailed a willingness to do without some tea.)
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To: raccoonradio

Oooh, lookie:

“In this situation, the clerk was presented with a deadly weapon. He was in close proximity to the suspect when the deadly weapon was displayed to him. The clerk, from the information I have, took the appropriate action in terms of how he felt threatened, in presenting the firearm.”

Someone’s gonna win a lawsuit.


31 posted on 10/16/2013 6:37:13 AM PDT by Justa
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To: Justa

No, that’s just establishing a viable self-defense claim, should the state decide to prosecute (which they doubtless won’t). The wrongful termination suit is a nonstarter. Freedom of association, it can work for you and it can work against you. Tough break, but at least he’s alive to complain about it.


32 posted on 10/16/2013 6:50:19 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: raccoonradio

Another reason to avoid Shell businesses.


33 posted on 10/16/2013 6:58:47 AM PDT by Anton.Rutter
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To: raccoonradio
Actually it is a public service for all of us who live in New Hampshire to know that the management of most Shell gas stations prohibits their clerks from carrying a firearm. That makes it more likely that a robbery will occur, and shows that the management and owners of the Shell gas stations mentioned in the article apparently have little regard for the safety of their customers or employees, and are in their own way creating a dangerous situation.

The best strategy for the public is to avoid such an unsafe gas station, but should anyone suffer from a robbery at a Shell gas station they'll know that the owners may well have contributed to their injury by establishing a policy which is likely to increase the risk of robbery at their business.

34 posted on 10/16/2013 6:59:57 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Anton.Rutter; All
Yes. Also: the robber had a knife, the clerk a gun. Robber fled...
Song parody from years back:

"This land's not your land, this land is my land
I've got a shotgun, you haven't got one
If you don't get off, I'll blow your head off..."

35 posted on 10/16/2013 7:12:53 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

From the picture on the thread, I think he could find immediate employment with the Duck dynasty folks if he’s willing to relocate to Louisiana :-)

I’d encourage folks to boycott the Shell stations in NH owned by that franchise and let it be know why.


36 posted on 10/16/2013 7:43:55 AM PDT by JoyjoyfromNJ (everything written by me on FR is my personal opinion & does not represent my employer)
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To: raccoonradio
If I’m a robber with a knife, I’m headed to that Shell station. Management has done the hardest part of my job for me.

And as a free citizen there's not enough force in the universe to make me EVER buy gas from this insane Shell station...

37 posted on 10/16/2013 8:05:49 AM PDT by GOPJ (Brieitbart sent me... Freeper newfreep)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Only cops get to go home to their families. The proles can die/leftist think

Seems to me Nouria Energy is more worried about their liability exposure than the safety of their employees; not exactly a "leftist" orientation.

38 posted on 10/16/2013 8:22:08 AM PDT by papertyger ("refusing to draw an inescapable conclusion does not qualify as a 'difference of opinion.'")
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To: Vermont Lt
I can tell you that it is better to just hand over the money and be done with it.

That assumes you are done with it after handing over the money, but that's the robber's choice, not yours.

You assume too much about the polite intentions of the crook.

I think it is a lower form of life robbing convenience stores than robbing banks. A family member was shot just for the hell of it by a guy robbing a convenience store.

39 posted on 10/16/2013 8:51:10 AM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: DoodleDawg

“Under New Hampshire law employers can fire you for any reason and without notice so he wouldn’t have grounds for a suit. But he’s alive and that’s the important part. Finding another job as a convenience store clerk probably won’t be that hard, but I suggest he read the policy manual very carefully before accepting it.”

Maybe so, but the locals should be boycotting all the Shell stations owned by these turds. That would hurt more than any individual lawsuit. Just put them out of business.


40 posted on 10/16/2013 9:22:39 AM PDT by vette6387 (i)
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To: Diogenesis

The REAL explanation is that Shell, like every other robbery target business, doesn’t want gun fights on their property. Don’t fight back has been the rule in the service industry for at least 30 years, the money is insured, getting people killed in a cross fire is bad for business.


41 posted on 10/16/2013 9:28:34 AM PDT by discostu (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: slowhandluke

No disagreement on the scumminess of the clients.

I am simply trying to explain the rules put in place by the owners.

In many states the liabilities of shooting someone who is trying to rob you are astronomical. I do not believe that NH has a stand your ground rule, I could be mistaken. I know in MA you practically have to walk the robber to his car, wash his windows, and ask if there is anything else you can do for him.

I appreciate the guy’s dilemma. He just picked the wrong store to work in.


42 posted on 10/16/2013 9:46:05 AM PDT by Vermont Lt ( 1-800-318-2596, Mr President.)
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To: 11th Commandment

“I Just Wanted To Go Home To My Family”

Sorry,that line only works for uniformed officers of the State you peon.


43 posted on 10/16/2013 1:21:58 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Vermont Lt

I know it sounds bad, but it is there to protect the employees and customers. Having worked at a bank where two people were shot dead in the 80’s, I can tell you that it is better to just hand over the money and be done with it.

I guess it is just better to hand the air planes over and be done with it.

BS bending over and kissing your butt good bye isn’t a good idea. It is the idea pushed by the anti gun anti freedom types.


44 posted on 10/17/2013 3:45:58 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: riverrunner

Just an FYI....insurance companies are not all that politically correct. They are risk averse. Evidently, their statistics indicate a lower risk by handing the money over, rather than engaging in a shoot out.

Its not philosophical. Its practical.

Go ahead and carry your gun wherever you wish. I don’t care. I am not going to rob anyone...at least not without being armed myself.

But don’t say the numbers are not true.

YOUR mileage may vary. But thousands of incidents over the years will provide a more accurate picture.


45 posted on 10/17/2013 12:11:50 PM PDT by Vermont Lt ( 1-800-318-2596, Mr President.)
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To: Vermont Lt
"Just an FYI....insurance companies are not all that politically correct. They are risk averse. Evidently, their statistics indicate a lower risk by handing the money over, rather than engaging in a shoot out."

I thought Glock, Smith & Wesson, and others were insurance companies.

46 posted on 10/17/2013 12:22:11 PM PDT by inpajamas (http://outskirtspress.com/ONE)
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To: inpajamas

You guys just don’t get it.

Everything is a bang bang shoot em up adventure.

Except, the first thing that happens to most people when there is a gone in their face is that they shit their pants. No matter how well trained you are.

In my professional life, I have always advocated the course that will result in the fewest people getting killed.

If I only cared about the “bad” guys, I would be on board with shooting them. The problem is the employee, and anyone else in the line of fire.

But, as I said, your mileage may vary.


47 posted on 10/17/2013 12:45:09 PM PDT by Vermont Lt ( 1-800-318-2596, Mr President.)
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