Skip to comments.Senator: Deal to avoid default and open government
Posted on 10/16/2013 8:24:39 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue
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mccain sounds borderline senile to me with all his verbal stumbling, making it difficult for me to take anything he says seriously since it is not clear to me that he is actually precise in his speech, so sorry i tuned it out...
The government is 83% open.
There are enough tax receipts to pay the debt and avoid a default even without a deal.
“And do you have a link to Cruz saying he won’t block it?”
Are we really surprised?....now we get to suffer them attempting to scuttle obamacare down the road....will they? Doubtful except possibly for another show such as we just saw.
Sooner or later theyll shove Soviet Union style health care on us and then legalize tens of millions of illegal aliens....
And continue to leave the borders wide open.
It’s far too late to fix this gargantuan corrupt government traditional means.
Yeah, some supporter. Linda Grahamnesty, jock strap.
We haven't seen the last of him, Lord willing!
I would opine too comfortable. Our gastanks are full. Our stomachs are full. we have all the entrainment we can absorb. there are plenty of sex and drugs and the masters will ensure that the slaves continue their labor to provide these to the peasants. If you want to get a mental picture of how things actually are, get a mental picture of animals being fattened to butcher. they are kept calm and well fed in a small enclosure to prevent them from running any fat off. Until slaughter day. That is us as a nation.
Please ping me if Cruz or Lee speak.
(Don’t know how you can bear all the bloviating inanity on now LOL!)
Now we know who stood for liberty and who sold out. This entire episode has flushed out all the pretenders and the “conservative” intelligentsia.
omg sen collins now going over each name of her 14 member committee and lauding each one, including mccain.
it sounds like they are just all indulging in self congratulations, my guess would be for the sake of the media.
they are downplaying specifics so it is really unsettling to listening to all this.
“....plan developed by 14 senators to avoid default”....
Well that’s what McCain referenced when he spoke a few moments ago...he mentioned “His 7 collegues” then backtracked and stumbled all over his mouth!.......so that would be 7 Senators and 7 republicans worked what we’re going to see.
Great....more selective people running this show as usual!
Then color me confused. What power did he have over this deal to begin with?
A lot of people see that. You know how you stop that? Win elections. Until this fiasco we had a better then 50% chance on winning senate keeping house ....And that old hag Hillary is entirely beatable. To add to it all Obamacare was DOA with its disaster roll out so once again why is this a good strategy?
Obamacare is not DOA. Millions are being assaulted by it’s massive premium increases today. You are great at criticizing conservatives who stood and fought obamacare.
But what is your plan? Is it the McConnell preemptive surrender plan? The Boehner surrender now and I promise we’ll really fight next time plan?
The fact is the rubber stamp 99% of what the Dems want and tip toe plan is a LOSER? We tried that in 2012. It doesn’t work. Stop advocating it.
True but he does have a history of letting the cat peek out of the bag and then backtracks as he did today...
So who are the 14 who apparently worked on this? Of which McCain referenced himself a few moments ago as being part of?
they are acting as if it is virtually a done deal and they are the saviors of the usa.
on a web search i find the most recent reference to the collins plan from the huff post 2 days ago under
“Susan Collins’ Debt Ceiling Plan Not Dead Yet”
What’s everybody celebrating?
Under the agreement, the government would be funded through Jan. 15, and the debt ceiling would be raised until Feb. 7.
How Collins’ Budget Deal Collapsed
I would be banned if I wrote what truly should happen to he and all traitors in Congress. They are truly destroying our Republic right before our eyes.
Boehner will shortly ram amnesty down our throats.
Spot the stooges.
Not a chance. I only bet on sure things, and the future of the Tea Party is in the air. Of course Boehner is safe in his seat, I never questioned that. I think he has a good chance of being thrown out of the Speakership, but I'd never make book on it.
Huh? Are you serious? Just watch, within weeks Boehner will ram fill amnesty down our throats.
Beohner and the rest of the GOPe have true hatred of Conservatives.
Boehner believes that granting amnesty will garner votes from grateful illegals -- he is dead wrong.
Boehner is purposely destroying our Republic -- he is no less evil than Obama and other Statists.
I’m certainly not surprised. Obamacare will stay until it completely collapses and is replaced by single payer. Unfortunately that is the path we are on...
....”Establishment Republicans won’t change, and are incompatible with effective opposition”.
Perfect wordage...May I use that as a tag please? I’ve never had one but this so suites how I see where the real “problem” rests....it’s up to the people to change this equation.
There’s little we can do but vote to get these people out...and like tentacles wrapped around our country they are not going to let loose without tightening their hold...just as we saw in this whole fiasco.
LOL. At those moments, I stick to my personal talking-point theory re: our Rinos, GOPe's, and Shadow Dems:
Bribed, blackmailed, or comatose.
Eff em. Every last single one of them in D.C. Bunch of blood sucking leeches.
“Boehner believes that granting amnesty will garner votes from grateful illegals — he is dead wrong.”
The problem is you’re 30 years out of date. You’re 100% correct — 30 years ago. 100% correct.
But it’s 30 years later. It’s not the illegals becoming citizens that are turning Colorado from Red to Blue and starting to do Arizona, too.
It’s children of illegals born in the US, fully US citizens and now 30 year old voters, whose numbers have grown to define Colorado and Arizona. There might be proposals to stop “anchor babies” from being US citizens, but there are no proposals even from the most conservative of conservatives to remove citizenship from 30 year olds.
We’re screwed. There is no fix for it.
collins plan in a nutshell
1 extends debt ceiling for 6 months
2 gets rid of medical device tax imposed by obamacare
3 subjects obamacare subsidy applicants to income verification
Collins Plan Brings Hope That Shutdown Is Near End
12 oct 2013
i might have some details wrong (sorry if so)
imho point 3 requires House Republicans touch the Obamacare tarbaby in a direct way, something they might not be willing to do...
now feinstein is addressing senate
thanking group of 14, and thanking even sen cruz for not standing in way of vote
feinstein dissing what she calls overuse of cloture rule,
specifically mentioning how cloture was used to limit debate on a clean CR
feinstein wants to join the group of 14 (huh? she was not invited?? she was denied joining??)
so the media has you a freeper believing that borrowing trillions of dollars more is good for the economy and for markets.
you all see the power of the evil media now?
nothing could be further from the truth. not raising the debt limit would be good for the markets long term as our debt would not skyrocket then
I guess if the media tells you to cure your headache by drilling a hole in your head with an ice pick you’ll believe that too cause it’s on TV?
This wasn’t even a “Compromise” the Dems got EVERYTHING that they wanted..its the same bill as yesterday except no mention of Obamacare, so Obama and his cronies get exempt, which is what they were bitching about yesterday, they love the bill but not enough to be covered by it..the GOP caved
feinstein now dissing lack of a budget resolution for 4 years” “it’s got to stop.”
repeatedly quoting the old adage “there is many a slip twixt the cup and the lip”
[My take is that the senators seem to be quietly complimenting Reid for being open to the Collins bill]
Sen Shaheen (D-NH) addressing senate now
talking about specific small businesses such as Provident Bank which has 12 small business loans on hold (if not cancelled) now which some senate subcommittee that she is on heard recently. Claiming to be sympathetic to small businesses.
AZ is already gone. We have more Rat US Representatives than Pubbies.
There’s really no bill yet...even Carney just said there isn’t.
I hope you are wrong , but if history is our guide , you are probably right. It is a depressing day.
That wasn’t voted on...no was the word at that time.
This Ayotte is some grandstanding, traitorous POS. She needs to STFU!
Shaheen now mentioning what is apparently a joint ongoing senate-house budget committee meeting.
hoping that both houses will approve the current senate bill being voted on today.
why is the senate not just voting on the bill instead of talking about it???????????
* the committee of 14 is for it
* reid and mcconnell are apparently for it
* cruz will apparently not block it
i am not even hearing specifics, from senator after senator
-> the senators are stalling and filibustering until the end of the day so that the house will have no time to consider or debate the bill
IMHO this is a giant time squeeze play by the R and D senators against the Republican led House
now sen Bernie Sanders (I?-VT) addressing the Senate, dissing the Republicans in the House,
IMHO probably saying what the other senators (R and D) are thinking but not saying... loose cannon socialist a$$hole senator...
wth is someone like Sanders (born in brooklyn) doing representing Vt? This guy is now going off like a classic liberal about the decline of standard of living, does not seem to recognize that liberal tax and spending is the problem, not the solution. when eyes are closed, sounds like just another tax and spend liberal nyc politician...
Sounds like they’re going to punch out the debt limit just under another trillion$ to make this deal. Anything to keep spending down? Why it would be just terrible if the debt ceiling broke 18 trillion$-——so much better to keep it under that. Just sounds great don’t it? And I don’t want to hear sniveling about how easy it is for us to pay the interest. Interest rates on federal debt have essentially been ZERO and that is not going to last much longer. pure dumbassness-—I don’t want to waste any more words.