Skip to comments.Senator: Deal to avoid default and open government
Posted on 10/16/2013 8:24:39 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue
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<.....”I think they will go for single provider, with forced compliance”......>
The Mainline Insurance companies purposely opted out of the exchange.
.... They know this will fall on itself and will be standing by when this beast falls on itself, to swoop any people into their plans. All others will be “rescued” by the Gov. as Provider established by Government to “help” (welfare).....back to square one but we will pay for them under the gov. plans established then....either or we will pay.
Yeah, so what if anything is changed? If time is of the essence as they claim, why are they all dragging their feet?
Windbag Sanders now taling about the "obscene unfair distribution of wealth" 99% of wealth went to the top 1%... Sanders getting 2 more minutes on top of 10 minutes (gets it of course... argh)
Sen Alouette (R-NH) on senate floor now.
Voice sounding very nervous.
because journalism has to be fair and biased? in what world?
Red Hampshire is the appendix of the United States...
Well we’ve been here before...the vote hasn’t happened and sounds like they’re still debating what the bill is going to be....sheesh...
All these talking in the Senate etc. is just posturing...you cannot believe what they say as it’s done for just that as they play to their bases.
Keep in mind Obama met with LEw and Biden earlier today in a closed session. Obma has yet to work across party lines and it’s paying off for him thus far in his signiture Obamacare.
yielded(?) her time to Sen. Shaheen (D-NH) who already had her 10 minutes.
Why are these people taking all this time instead of just shutting up and sitting down and passing the bill?
IMHO if these people are not in a hurry, there is no real crisis, and the House should get as much time as it needs to debate whatever details (yet to be revealed?) are in the bill, if they are in no hurry.
As I understand it there are 14 people working this bill...which isn’t on the floor as yet...only that it will be there....which remains to be seen.
Interesting Reid said it would presented around noon...the fact it isn’t makes one wonder what’s actually going on....behind closed doors??????
they are not debating what is in the bill, they are congratulating each other for coming to some kind of agreement, the details of which are not even yet clear, at least to me.
This seems like more kabuki tailored to put a time squeeze on the House and let the MSM cut them up if they don't toe the senate line, as I can well imagine that they will.
Sanctimonious self serving hypocrites.
Ayotte on again now, lamenting the effects of the shutdown, saying her own pre-teen kids are asking her why it happened and regretting the shutdown strategy. What is she regretting sounds like the Republican strategy. Sheesh, she is using her time to diss her fellow Republicans! for the children! what a hypocrite!
Will cruz get a chance to speak to the senate floor?
Nelson (D-FL) now on, speaking as if it is a done deal, and now apparently dissing the House Republicans in everything but name.
“Narrow small group of political extremists ... ideology” (take control of the House, blah blah
these guys are not even bothering to make concise sentences.
making reference to a joint Senate-House committee to meet later today.
now referring to something called “the grand bargain”
Nelson now recognizing need for consensus given the lack of same in the past few weeks, and the next hurdle being Jan. 15.
imho does not sound like there is any firm agreement with the House yet...
-So we have a Group of 14 that were meeting.
-We have Lew’s meeting today with Obama and Biden.
-We have reference to a joint Senate-House committee meeting later.
Important to watch what they do not what they say.
So the question remains......what do they actually have to vote on?
Ok I gotta go see what’s up on social media....the news doesn’t seem to have anything concrete yet....just playing posturing politicians.
Okay, folks! Let’s all cash in!
And do NOT vote for the republican party. There’s no use. It’s just there for show.
Finally, to make matters as good for you as possible, don’t talk bad about the dictator.
Sen Durbin (D-IL) now speaking 3 minutes past his time limit, talking about the need for better education (more funded education?) etc.
IMHO sounding like a campaign speech. why are campaign speeches allowed on the senate floor today if this is the last day before a us government default? i am getting big time cognitive dissonance...
As mentioned...they are simply filling the void now and all about political posturing to their bases.....blah blah blah....on and on and on.
Um, an encounter with the living loving Lord, if accepted, would be quite the force. And to Democrats as well.
Invest in liberal unicorns.
The unicorns will poop out golden skittles.
Debt problem solved.
Well, except that this won’t work.
Anti-Christ (fake Christ) is term that comes to mind.
Sen Cruz now holding press conference answering the usual questions mostly in the usual manner.
Speaking about how the effort to block obamacare was not in vain (as reporter’s question involving angering other senators implied), that millions of americans are now discovering the problems associated with obamacare, seeing their premiums rise on the obamacare website, and experiencing associated job loss or weekly hour reduction, etc.
suddenly concluded the conference.
Senate just sitting there now, no one addressing floor, CSPAN playing classical music...
if there is some urgency, why is the senate not voting on their CR to raise the debt limit ASAP (now)???
When has that ever stopped him?
The GOP conservative should rebel in the House against Boehner and vote him out as the Speaker and replace him with a conservative Speaker willing to do battle and take Obama to the mat.
In fact the GOP should take the following line in talking to Obama.
"Look, Barry, we have the votes to stop you cold, and we have decided to use those votes.That's the discussion a real Speaker of the House should be having with Obama.
"We control government funduing and we are going to exercise that control.
"We are talking about a complete shutdown where not so much as a dime will be available for you to even heat the White House, so get ready to stay at the local Holiday Inn on your own dime for the duration. Also, tell Michelle she can send her 100+ assistants home to, and weed her own garden.
"The only thing we will fund during that time is the US military you hate so much.
"When you are ready to talk about seriously creating a budget...one that is balanced, one that really reduces the debt...and we are talking about a true reduction in the actual amount we owe, not just a reduction in the percentage of your spending increases...and a budget we that puts an end to ObamCare. When you are ready to seriously talk to us about those things...get back with us.
"Oh, BTW, Barry. One other thing we will fund is the following. The House of Reprentatives will meet each day with the express purpose of impeaching your sorry backside each day for the next 60 working days. Impeach you each day on a different charge. 60 impeachments, Barry. When you get ready to talk to us, then the first thing the Senate will have to take up is those 60 impeachments. Think about that while you are waiting, and watching.
"So, we have the votes, and we are firm. Give us a call when you are ready to talk. Bye now."
Boxer is speaking on the Senate floor now
“We are always going to have disagreements...”
Sheesh, if there is a crisis in a few hours, why is the Senate wasting time and not voting right now?
Both put up a good fight. Ah ha ha ha that’s a good one.
cspan2 now reporting a senate vote imminent (nothing evidently happening on the senate floor which is being broadcast right now), and that house support for the bill is likely but hastert rule likely to be violated according to politico.
CSPAN2 commentator saying sources say Boehner urged passage of the senate bill with Republicans today and got a standing ovation from Republicans...
on the senate floor murchowsky speaking for a while urging passage of the senate bill, now Chambliss (R-GA) speaking about some al quida terrorist considerations... might never have an opportunity to interrogate the terrorist...
Lets start that conversation by acknowledging we arent going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants... bringing these workers out of the shadows and into being taxpaying members of society. Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers.12 million more people assimilating into society. 12 million more people being productive contributors. [but hes not in favor of amnesty, snicker, definition of is is]
...by softening its edge on some volatile social issues and altering its image as the party always seemingly "eager to go to war... We do need to expand the party and grow the party and that does mean that we don't always all agree on every issue" ... the party needs to become more welcoming to individuals who disagree with basic Republican doctrine on emotional social issues such as gay marriage... "We're going to have to be a little hands off on some of these issues ... and get people into the party," Paul said.
Sen Cruz just concluded brief remarks on the Senate floor. His usual speech, emphasizing lack of support of American workers by Senate Republicans.
Now Sen Schumer (D-NY).
Has anyone seen a bill?
“I think he has a good chance of being thrown out of the Speakership, but I’d never make book on it.”
And it’s a good thing you didn’t. The whole Pub caucus is singing his praises tonite. All of them.
When you look at Boehner’s likely replacements, it’s just as well. Kicking Boehner out would give us Speaker Cantor. Whoopdeedoo. They haven’t learned carp. Let the whole lot of them sink in one great big boat.
They do realize that the only way to avoid default is to Replace Obama and his Secretary Lew?
“Each month the government collects $250 billion in taxes, and if the Congress decided not to raise the debt ceiling, Secretary Lew would have adequate resources to pay the $23 billion in interest to the public.”
Basically that means Obama could decide at any moment to just not pay the interest on the debt, the same now as he did before. There is more than 10 times more revenue than is needed to pay such interest payments so its entirely up to Obama.
That being said I would not shed a tear should they decide not to and our Federal government’s credit rating go down to zero. The ability to run up cheap debt is a MAJOR liability in a democracy, as it quite obviously enables politicians to spend future generation’s money to buy the current generation’s vote, while avoiding the consequences of theses expenditures.
The government REALLY needs taxpayers now. Amnesty will be a done deal. They have to integrate EVERYONE into the taxpaying system.